Our state just switched from the old MTB?? additive to Ethanol. Some of
the stations have stickers on the pumps saying you should check your
boat engine to see if it can handle the ethanol blend or if it needs
some preventative maintenance before running the ethanol blended gas.

I've got an old Johnson 80 HP outboard. What do I need to check?

Till

The biggest hassle about ethanol is it is alcohol so it attracts water.

"tillius" wrote in message
ups.com...
Our state just switched from the old MTB?? additive to Ethanol. Some of
the stations have stickers on the pumps saying you should check your
boat engine to see if it can handle the ethanol blend or if it needs
some preventative maintenance before running the ethanol blended gas.

I've got an old Johnson 80 HP outboard. What do I need to check?

Till

In article . com,
says...
Our state just switched from the old MTB?? additive to Ethanol. Some of
the stations have stickers on the pumps saying you should check your
boat engine to see if it can handle the ethanol blend or if it needs
some preventative maintenance before running the ethanol blended gas.

I've got an old Johnson 80 HP outboard. What do I need to check?

Till

Ethanol will break down rubber hoses faster since it's alcohol. If you
have hoses closing in on their useful existence, now might be a good
time to look at changing them out.

jps

It's also been found to be a problem with (some?) fiberglass
fuel tanks. See the link below:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...1/ai_n16019367

tillius wrote:
Our state just switched from the old MTB?? additive to Ethanol. Some of
the stations have stickers on the pumps saying you should check your
boat engine to see if it can handle the ethanol blend or if it needs
some preventative maintenance before running the ethanol blended gas.

I've got an old Johnson 80 HP outboard. What do I need to check?

Till

Harry Krause wrote:
tillius wrote:
Thanks to all for your info. Just for everyone's benefit in the future,
here's what I've found out so far:

1). The Ethanol in the gasoline will break down rubber hoses faster.
It's a good idea to replace them if they're older.

2). The Ethanol can cause problems with some older fiberglass tanks.
View the article below for more info:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...1/ai_n16019367

3). The Ethanol will attract water and hydrated ethanol will sererate
from the gasoline or cause a thicker, gunky emulsification with the
gasoline. Both of these situations can cause fuel line/injector clogs.
Recommendations: Keep fuel tanks full to minimize moisture absorption.
Also, use a fuel injector cleaner/treatment every other tank or so of
fuel.

4). When gasoline containing MTBE and gasoline containing ethanol are
mixed, a reaction with the MTBE and ethanol fuel mixtures can cause
fuel problems including clogged fuel lines/injectors, sputtering or
inoperable engines, etc. Recommendations: Use all of the MTBE fuel in
your tank before filling with the ethanol blend.

5). Why the heck didn't they use butanol instead of ethanol? I would've
served the same purpose, but is less corrosive than Ethanol and
actually increases the octane rating of the gasoline blend.

Till

Support the production and use of butanol biofuels as an alternative to
petroleum based products.
1) It's 100% interchangable with Gasoline with no engine modifications.
2) It has a higher octane rating (103)
3) It's produced from renewable crops such as corn, barley, wheat, or
crop processing byproducts, such as mollasses.
4) Combustion of butanol produces only H20 and C02 (green CO2, not
fossilized CO2).
5) Production of butanol from bio-sources produces only butanol,
hydrogen (collectable and useable as a fuel source in the butanol
production process, and bio-by-products that can be used as livestock
feeds.
6) Butanol can be produced for about $1.05 - $1.25 per gallon.



Gosh, I guess we don't have the brainpower to resolve combustion engine
difficulties with ethanol. Let's give up.

You know Harry, you're just a freakin' idiot.

Do you even know anything about the differences between Ethanol and
Butanol?

1) Using the new technologies, it takes less energy to produce 1 gallon
of butanol than it does to produce 1 gallon of Ethanol.

2) The same quantity of butanol or Ethanol can be produced from a
bushel of corn feedstock.

3) Both Butanol and Ethanol cost between $1.05 and $1.25/gallon to
produce (in quantity)

4) 1 gallon of Ethanol contains about 84,000 BTUs, 1 gallon of Gasoline
contains about 115,000 BTUs, and 1 gallon of Butanol contails about
115,000 BTUs of energy.

5) Butanol is 6 times less evaporative than ethanol, and 13.5 times
less evaporative than gasoline, resulting in significantly less loss of
fuel due to evaporation.

6) The lower evaporativeness of Butanol also makes it much safer to
store and transport than either Ethanol or Gasoline.

7) Millions of engines are already designed to operate using Gasoline.
Butanol can replace gasoline 100% in these engines with no
modification. Ethanol can only be used up to about an 85% additive to
gasoline in these engines, and thein only after significan
modifications to the engine.

There's no need to resolve combustion problems and use Ethanol when
it's not the smarter choice. Or course, the leftists rarely choose the
smarter choice.

So Comrad Harry, either reply intelligently, or I can send you to the
commie killfile.

Ah, you'll never be able to reply intelligently, so... pinko

Later comrad

Till

Harry Krause wrote:
tillius wrote:


So Comrad Harry, either reply intelligently, or I can send you to the
commie killfile.



I don't give a damn what you do. Why should I?


He's desperate for at least one person to pay attention to him.

Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
tillius wrote:


So Comrad Harry, either reply intelligently, or I can send you to the
commie killfile.



I don't give a damn what you do. Why should I?


He's desperate for at least one person to pay attention to him.

Well, hardly. You're a bit annoying with your left wing dribble too. I
did notice that, unlike Comrad Harry, you do occasionally post about
boating. That'll probably keep you out of my commie-killfile for a
while, at least.

Till

tillius wrote:
Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

tillius wrote:


So Comrad Harry, either reply intelligently, or I can send you to the
commie killfile.



I don't give a damn what you do. Why should I?


He's desperate for at least one person to pay attention to him.


Well, hardly. You're a bit annoying with your left wing dribble too. I
did notice that, unlike Comrad Harry, you do occasionally post about
boating. That'll probably keep you out of my commie-killfile for a
while, at least.

Till


Power to the People!

In article ,
says...
Don White wrote:
tillius wrote:
Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

tillius wrote:


So Comrad Harry, either reply intelligently, or I can send you to the
commie killfile.


I don't give a damn what you do. Why should I?

He's desperate for at least one person to pay attention to him.

Well, hardly. You're a bit annoying with your left wing dribble too. I
did notice that, unlike Comrad Harry, you do occasionally post about
boating. That'll probably keep you out of my commie-killfile for a
while, at least.

Till


Power to the People!


Till wouldn't know a commie if one bit him on the butt. He's just
another brain-dead Bert.

The thread seems an obvious butanol troll. How quickly he gathered all
that new info on the ethanol vs. butanol debate.

jps

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...
Don White wrote:
tillius wrote:
Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

tillius wrote:


So Comrad Harry, either reply intelligently, or I can send you to the
commie killfile.


I don't give a damn what you do. Why should I?

He's desperate for at least one person to pay attention to him.

Well, hardly. You're a bit annoying with your left wing dribble too. I
did notice that, unlike Comrad Harry, you do occasionally post about
boating. That'll probably keep you out of my commie-killfile for a
while, at least.

Till


Power to the People!


Till wouldn't know a commie if one bit him on the butt. He's just
another brain-dead Bert.

The thread seems an obvious butanol troll. How quickly he gathered all
that new info on the ethanol vs. butanol debate.

jps

Nope, wasn't a butanol troll. Was a sincere question about what I might
need to do to my engine because of the ethanol issues. Found the
butanol info while I was searching the ethanol problem. Was just
provided FYI until comrad Krause had to interject idiotic remarks into
the thread.

Till