Hello,

When I was a youngster, my uncle took me boating and skiing on the
Mississippi and other rivers and resevoirs often. He taught me about
how to read a channel, the bouy markers, and how to ski and have the
best time of my life. That was over 30 years ago. For many reasons,
I was not able to expand on and enjoy this great recreational
activity since, until now.

I am buying a small, [just like he had], 16' runabout with an older
85 horse two stroke motor, but affordable for me, and I'm thinking a
good place to start. It's reasonably priced but I'm a little
uncertain about the motor due to its age. I figure I can replace or
repair it without too much expense. What encourages me about the
boat is that the man who owns it invested over a $1,000 in a nice
full canvas top that is high enough to stand up in, and a new, very
nice trailer that he said was more than $1,500. He wants $3,500 for
the entire package.

We're taking it out this afternoon. If I do buy this boat, I'll be
using it on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers in Oregon. I want to
educate myself on what my uncle began. How can I best do that?

Thanks for reading!

Cornpone wrote:
Hello,

When I was a youngster, my uncle took me boating and skiing on the
Mississippi and other rivers and resevoirs often. He taught me about
how to read a channel, the bouy markers, and how to ski and have the
best time of my life. That was over 30 years ago. For many reasons,
I was not able to expand on and enjoy this great recreational
activity since, until now.

I am buying a small, [just like he had], 16' runabout with an older
85 horse two stroke motor, but affordable for me, and I'm thinking a
good place to start. It's reasonably priced but I'm a little
uncertain about the motor due to its age. I figure I can replace or
repair it without too much expense. What encourages me about the
boat is that the man who owns it invested over a $1,000 in a nice
full canvas top that is high enough to stand up in, and a new, very
nice trailer that he said was more than $1,500. He wants $3,500 for
the entire package.

We're taking it out this afternoon. If I do buy this boat, I'll be
using it on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers in Oregon. I want to
educate myself on what my uncle began. How can I best do that?

Thanks for reading!


Get a copy of Chapman's. Some of it will be overkill for river boating,
but much of it would be applicable. Just ask for "Chapman's" at the
marine supply store, they'll know exactly what you need.

Consider taking a "refresher" course from one of the local power
squadron or Coast Guard Auxiliary groups. You'll not only clarify a lot
of the things your uncle taught you 30 years ago, but you might meet
some new friends with which to go boating. You're going to need to pass
a "mimimal boating education" requirement in Oregon, anyway, and after
taking one of these courses you are virtually always certified.

Have fun!

What Chuck said.
"Don White" wrote in message
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Cornpone wrote:
Hello,

When I was a youngster, my uncle took me boating and skiing on the
Mississippi and other rivers and resevoirs often. He taught me about how
to read a channel, the bouy markers, and how to ski and have the best
time of my life. That was over 30 years ago. For many reasons, I was
not able to expand on and enjoy this great recreational activity since,
until now.

I am buying a small, [just like he had], 16' runabout with an older 85
horse two stroke motor, but affordable for me, and I'm thinking a good
place to start. It's reasonably priced but I'm a little uncertain about
the motor due to its age. I figure I can replace or repair it without
too much expense. What encourages me about the boat is that the man who
owns it invested over a $1,000 in a nice full canvas top that is high
enough to stand up in, and a new, very nice trailer that he said was more
than $1,500. He wants $3,500 for the entire package.

We're taking it out this afternoon. If I do buy this boat, I'll be using
it on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers in Oregon. I want to educate
myself on what my uncle began. How can I best do that?

Thanks for reading!

At this point...a good outboard mechanic might come in handy.
When I bought my new to me sailboat home, I asked how much it would cost
for a checkout on my 1986 6hp Evinrude. Dealer said about $ 75.00.
I ended up just buying spark plugs, new gear oil, lubricating grease,
manual etc and running it in a tub of water.

wrote:
Cornpone wrote:

Hello,

When I was a youngster, my uncle took me boating and skiing on the
Mississippi and other rivers and resevoirs often. He taught me about
how to read a channel, the bouy markers, and how to ski and have the
best time of my life. That was over 30 years ago. For many reasons,
I was not able to expand on and enjoy this great recreational
activity since, until now.

I am buying a small, [just like he had], 16' runabout with an older
85 horse two stroke motor, but affordable for me, and I'm thinking a
good place to start. It's reasonably priced but I'm a little
uncertain about the motor due to its age. I figure I can replace or
repair it without too much expense. What encourages me about the
boat is that the man who owns it invested over a $1,000 in a nice
full canvas top that is high enough to stand up in, and a new, very
nice trailer that he said was more than $1,500. He wants $3,500 for
the entire package.

We're taking it out this afternoon. If I do buy this boat, I'll be
using it on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers in Oregon. I want to
educate myself on what my uncle began. How can I best do that?

Thanks for reading!



Get a copy of Chapman's. Some of it will be overkill for river boating,
but much of it would be applicable. Just ask for "Chapman's" at the
marine supply store, they'll know exactly what you need.

Consider taking a "refresher" course from one of the local power
squadron or Coast Guard Auxiliary groups. You'll not only clarify a lot
of the things your uncle taught you 30 years ago, but you might meet
some new friends with which to go boating. You're going to need to pass
a "mimimal boating education" requirement in Oregon, anyway, and after
taking one of these courses you are virtually always certified.

Have fun!


Thank to you Chuck, and to all those who also answered. Could I get
this "Chapman's" at Amazon, or some other online bookstore? Do I
have to have a license to drive a boat in Oregon? Wow, didn't
realize that! Since when?

Thanks!

Cornpone wrote:
wrote:
Cornpone wrote:

Hello,

When I was a youngster, my uncle took me boating and skiing on the
Mississippi and other rivers and resevoirs often. He taught me about
how to read a channel, the bouy markers, and how to ski and have the
best time of my life. That was over 30 years ago. For many reasons,
I was not able to expand on and enjoy this great recreational
activity since, until now.

I am buying a small, [just like he had], 16' runabout with an older
85 horse two stroke motor, but affordable for me, and I'm thinking a
good place to start. It's reasonably priced but I'm a little
uncertain about the motor due to its age. I figure I can replace or
repair it without too much expense. What encourages me about the
boat is that the man who owns it invested over a $1,000 in a nice
full canvas top that is high enough to stand up in, and a new, very
nice trailer that he said was more than $1,500. He wants $3,500 for
the entire package.

We're taking it out this afternoon. If I do buy this boat, I'll be
using it on the Columbia and Willamette Rivers in Oregon. I want to
educate myself on what my uncle began. How can I best do that?

Thanks for reading!



Get a copy of Chapman's. Some of it will be overkill for river boating,
but much of it would be applicable. Just ask for "Chapman's" at the
marine supply store, they'll know exactly what you need.

Consider taking a "refresher" course from one of the local power
squadron or Coast Guard Auxiliary groups. You'll not only clarify a lot
of the things your uncle taught you 30 years ago, but you might meet
some new friends with which to go boating. You're going to need to pass
a "mimimal boating education" requirement in Oregon, anyway, and after
taking one of these courses you are virtually always certified.

Have fun!


Thank to you Chuck, and to all those who also answered. Could I get
this "Chapman's" at Amazon, or some other online bookstore? Do I
have to have a license to drive a boat in Oregon? Wow, didn't
realize that! Since when?

Thanks!


Yes, you should be able to get a copy of Chapman's from amazon.com The
full, official title is Chapman Piloting, Seamanship, & Small Boat
Handling.

Even though you *could* get Chapman's from Amazon, you might consider
patronizing a local, independent seller of nautical books or chandlery
instead. My personal practice is to support the local boating
infrastructure when at all possible, and order from some soulless,
non-boating, mega marketeer very reluctantly.

You don't need a "license" to drive a boat in Oregon, but you will be
required to get a passing grade in a boating education course. You will
be required to carry a card when you boat confirming that you have done
so, and if a law enforcement officer stops you for any reason he or she
can demand to see it. Most of the qualifying courses are very low cost,
or even free. (Some use Chapman's as the textbook, but in those cases
you are required to own or purchase the book even if the instruction
itself is free of charge).

wrote:


wrote:



Yes, you should be able to get a copy of Chapman's from amazon.com The
full, official title is Chapman Piloting, Seamanship, & Small Boat
Handling.

Even though you *could* get Chapman's from Amazon, you might consider
patronizing a local, independent seller of nautical books or chandlery
instead. My personal practice is to support the local boating
infrastructure when at all possible, and order from some soulless,
non-boating, mega marketeer very reluctantly.

I agree with supporting local business, and I do, but I don't have
the necessary time in many cases, as I usually start work before they
open, and am still working long after they close. In my haste to
find this book, I indeed searched Amazon for it immediately, and only
came up with one marine related title on entering "Chapman's." That
was "Chapman's Guide to Piloting - 63rd Edition." Thinking that had
to be what you were talking about, I ordered it. Then after checking
back here and finding your statement of the complete title, I
promptly cancelled it. They ignored that directive, then sent it
anyway. I've bought on the internet for many years now and am
finding myself increasingly dis-satisfied with the behavior of
seller's all the time. I won't buy from Amazon, or Boater's World
any more.


You don't need a "license" to drive a boat in Oregon, but you will be
required to get a passing grade in a boating education course.

According to http://www.boatoregon.com/
only if I'm younger than 50 in the year 2006. I'm not, I'm well over
that.

You will
be required to carry a card when you boat confirming that you have done
so, and if a law enforcement officer stops you for any reason he or she
can demand to see it. Most of the qualifying courses are very low cost,
or even free. (Some use Chapman's as the textbook, but in those cases
you are required to own or purchase the book even if the instruction
itself is free of charge).


Thanks again for your time.

"Cornpone" wrote in message
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wrote:


wrote:



Yes, you should be able to get a copy of Chapman's from amazon.com The
full, official title is Chapman Piloting, Seamanship, & Small Boat
Handling.

Even though you *could* get Chapman's from Amazon, you might consider
patronizing a local, independent seller of nautical books or chandlery
instead. My personal practice is to support the local boating
infrastructure when at all possible, and order from some soulless,
non-boating, mega marketeer very reluctantly.

I agree with supporting local business, and I do, but I don't have the
necessary time in many cases, as I usually start work before they open,
and am still working long after they close. In my haste to find this
book, I indeed searched Amazon for it immediately, and only came up with
one marine related title on entering "Chapman's." That was "Chapman's
Guide to Piloting - 63rd Edition." Thinking that had to be what you were
talking about, I ordered it. Then after checking back here and finding
your statement of the complete title, I promptly cancelled it. They
ignored that directive, then sent it anyway. I've bought on the internet
for many years now and am finding myself increasingly dis-satisfied with
the behavior of seller's all the time. I won't buy from Amazon, or
Boater's World any more.


You don't need a "license" to drive a boat in Oregon, but you will be
required to get a passing grade in a boating education course.

According to http://www.boatoregon.com/
only if I'm younger than 50 in the year 2006. I'm not, I'm well over
that.

You will
be required to carry a card when you boat confirming that you have done
so, and if a law enforcement officer stops you for any reason he or she
can demand to see it. Most of the qualifying courses are very low cost,
or even free. (Some use Chapman's as the textbook, but in those cases
you are required to own or purchase the book even if the instruction
itself is free of charge).


Thanks again for your time.

It is the correct book, but should be the 64th edition when I looked at
Amazon.

Cornpone wrote:
wrote:


wrote:



Yes, you should be able to get a copy of Chapman's from amazon.com The
full, official title is Chapman Piloting, Seamanship, & Small Boat
Handling.

Even though you *could* get Chapman's from Amazon, you might consider
patronizing a local, independent seller of nautical books or chandlery
instead. My personal practice is to support the local boating
infrastructure when at all possible, and order from some soulless,
non-boating, mega marketeer very reluctantly.


I agree with supporting local business, and I do, but I don't have the
necessary time in many cases, as I usually start work before they open,
and am still working long after they close. In my haste to find this
book, I indeed searched Amazon for it immediately, and only came up with
one marine related title on entering "Chapman's." That was "Chapman's
Guide to Piloting - 63rd Edition." Thinking that had to be what you
were talking about, I ordered it. Then after checking back here and
finding your statement of the complete title, I promptly cancelled it.
They ignored that directive, then sent it anyway. I've bought on the
internet for many years now and am finding myself increasingly
dis-satisfied with the behavior of seller's all the time. I won't buy
from Amazon, or Boater's World any more.


You don't need a "license" to drive a boat in Oregon, but you will be
required to get a passing grade in a boating education course.


According to http://www.boatoregon.com/
only if I'm younger than 50 in the year 2006. I'm not, I'm well over that.

You will

be required to carry a card when you boat confirming that you have done
so, and if a law enforcement officer stops you for any reason he or she
can demand to see it. Most of the qualifying courses are very low cost,
or even free. (Some use Chapman's as the textbook, but in those cases
you are required to own or purchase the book even if the instruction
itself is free of charge).


Thanks again for your time.

That's funny. I have had the 63rd edition for at least three years
now... must be a 64th or maybe 65th edition out.
Article in a national boating magazine recommended either 'Chapman's
Piloting' or 'Annapolis Book of Seamanship'. (get both if you can afford it)
http://us.binnacle.com/index.php?cPath=61_69

Calif Bill wrote:
"Cornpone" wrote in message
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Yes, you should be able to get a copy of Chapman's from amazon.com The
full, official title is Chapman Piloting, Seamanship, & Small Boat
Handling.

Even though you *could* get Chapman's from Amazon, you might consider
patronizing a local, independent seller of nautical books or chandlery
instead. My personal practice is to support the local boating
infrastructure when at all possible, and order from some soulless,
non-boating, mega marketeer very reluctantly.

I agree with supporting local business, and I do, but I don't have the
necessary time in many cases, as I usually start work before they open,
and am still working long after they close. In my haste to find this
book, I indeed searched Amazon for it immediately, and only came up with
one marine related title on entering "Chapman's." That was "Chapman's
Guide to Piloting - 63rd Edition." Thinking that had to be what you were
talking about, I ordered it. Then after checking back here and finding
your statement of the complete title, I promptly cancelled it. They
ignored that directive, then sent it anyway. I've bought on the internet
for many years now and am finding myself increasingly dis-satisfied with
the behavior of seller's all the time. I won't buy from Amazon, or
Boater's World any more.


You don't need a "license" to drive a boat in Oregon, but you will be
required to get a passing grade in a boating education course.

According to http://www.boatoregon.com/
only if I'm younger than 50 in the year 2006. I'm not, I'm well over
that.

You will
be required to carry a card when you boat confirming that you have done
so, and if a law enforcement officer stops you for any reason he or she
can demand to see it. Most of the qualifying courses are very low cost,
or even free. (Some use Chapman's as the textbook, but in those cases
you are required to own or purchase the book even if the instruction
itself is free of charge).


Thanks again for your time.

It is the correct book, but should be the 64th edition when I looked at
Amazon.

Did they officially change the title? I concur that it is undoubtedly
the same book.
My copy is from the early 1980's- could something have changed since
then? :-)
Nearly everybody just calls it "Chapman's," of course.

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Did they officially change the title? I concur that it is undoubtedly
the same book.
My copy is from the early 1980's- could something have changed since
then? :-)
Nearly everybody just calls it "Chapman's," of course.


My 63rd Edition boasts of "updated sections and more use of color than
ever, Chapman's offers the latest in seamanship and marine technology"
On the cover, it says.. "completely updated, revised color edition with
new photographs, charts and illustrations"
I would imagine the 'Electronic' section needs frequent updating.
Question... how many editions should you let pass before updating your
Chapman's?