Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not
often end in a crash.

Maybe. I'll still be interested in seeing the stats I asked for.


Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more
fatal boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal
accidents (for all causes).

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small
aircraft.

RCE


Probably, but I'm still talking about percentage vs falling out of the
sky.


Huh?

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not often
end in a crash.
Maybe. I'll still be interested in seeing the stats I asked for.

Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more
fatal boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal
accidents (for all causes).

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small aircraft.

RCE


Probably, but I'm still talking about percentage vs falling out of the sky.


I would guess that 100% of the boats that fell from the sky resulted in
death from all involved.

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not
often end in a crash.

Maybe. I'll still be interested in seeing the stats I asked for.


Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more
fatal boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal
accidents (for all causes).

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small
aircraft.

RCE


Probably, but I'm still talking about percentage vs falling out of the
sky.


Huh?

Never mind.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:54:36 -0500, RCE wrote:


Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more
fatal boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal
accidents (for all causes).

I wouldn't be the least surprised if you are right.

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small aircraft.

To be fair though, aviation is much more regulated. If, and I am not
saying it should be, but if, boating was as regulated as aviation there
would be very, very, few boating fatalities.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

To be fair though, aviation is much more regulated. If, and I am not
saying it should be, but if, boating was as regulated as aviation there
would be very, very, few boating fatalities.

I disagree. Aviation tends to sort out the idiots a lot faster. Both by
the technical requirements of actually learning to get a plane into the air
and by being completely unforgiving in accidents. Neither's true of
boating. That said, requiring more (heck, any) qualifications could be seen
as a good thing for boating.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:54:36 -0500, RCE wrote:


Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more
fatal boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal
accidents (for all causes).

I wouldn't be the least surprised if you are right.

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small
aircraft.

To be fair though, aviation is much more regulated. If, and I am not
saying it should be, but if, boating was as regulated as aviation there
would be very, very, few boating fatalities.

Private aviation is regulated in the respect that you need to be licensed to
fly, have a up to date physical (which is basically confirming that you are
breathing) and the aircraft have mandatory maintenance and inspection
requirements. Other than that, there's not much regulation other than
flying by the rules.
And some don't.

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t...
To be fair though, aviation is much more regulated. If, and I am not
saying it should be, but if, boating was as regulated as aviation there
would be very, very, few boating fatalities.

I disagree. Aviation tends to sort out the idiots a lot faster. Both by
the technical requirements of actually learning to get a plane into the
air
and by being completely unforgiving in accidents. Neither's true of
boating. That said, requiring more (heck, any) qualifications could be
seen
as a good thing for boating.


For years I was basically opposed to government agencies, state or federal,
imposing the requirement of a license or certification in order to operate a
boat. I've changed my mind. I think there should be state licensing with a
written test similar to getting a automobile driver's license.

Why did I change my mind, you ask?

Mrs. E. bought a boat.

Seriously, I think there should be a test and a certificate to operate
issued that could also be revoked.

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
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"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t...
To be fair though, aviation is much more regulated. If, and I am not
saying it should be, but if, boating was as regulated as aviation there
would be very, very, few boating fatalities.

I disagree. Aviation tends to sort out the idiots a lot faster. Both by
the technical requirements of actually learning to get a plane into the
air
and by being completely unforgiving in accidents. Neither's true of
boating. That said, requiring more (heck, any) qualifications could be
seen
as a good thing for boating.

You got b**ls man.


For years I was basically opposed to government agencies, state or
federal, imposing the requirement of a license or certification in order
to operate a boat. I've changed my mind. I think there should be state
licensing with a written test similar to getting a automobile driver's
license.

Why did I change my mind, you ask?

Mrs. E. bought a boat.

Seriously, I think there should be a test and a certificate to operate
issued that could also be revoked.

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:00:15 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Private aviation is regulated in the respect that you need to be licensed to
fly, have a up to date physical (which is basically confirming that you are
breathing) and the aircraft have mandatory maintenance and inspection
requirements. Other than that, there's not much regulation other than
flying by the rules.
And some don't.

If boats fell from the sky you can be sure that we'd be regulated the
same way. Thank heaven that the lobsters do not have an effective
lobbying organization.

With regard to more regulation, I'd suggest that we should be careful
what we ask for.

The lakes, seas and oceans of the world have run their own licensing
program for thousands of years, and it works: Those who pass get to
keep enjoying our sport, and those who fail, don't.

Seems fair to me and no additional taxes, fees or enforcement are
required.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"JIMinFL" wrote in message
ink.net...


You got b**ls man.


I am also still 380 miles from home.





For years I was basically opposed to government agencies, state or
federal, imposing the requirement of a license or certification in order
to operate a boat. I've changed my mind. I think there should be state
licensing with a written test similar to getting a automobile driver's
license.

Why did I change my mind, you ask?

Mrs. E. bought a boat.

Seriously, I think there should be a test and a certificate to operate
issued that could also be revoked.

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
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"JIMinFL" wrote in message
ink.net...


You got b**ls man.


I am also still 380 miles from home.


Yeah, but have you considered your general direction of travel? Time is not
on your side at this point.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:00:15 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Private aviation is regulated in the respect that you need to be licensed
to
fly, have a up to date physical (which is basically confirming that you
are
breathing) and the aircraft have mandatory maintenance and inspection
requirements. Other than that, there's not much regulation other than
flying by the rules.
And some don't.

If boats fell from the sky you can be sure that we'd be regulated the
same way. Thank heaven that the lobsters do not have an effective
lobbying organization.

With regard to more regulation, I'd suggest that we should be careful
what we ask for.

The lakes, seas and oceans of the world have run their own licensing
program for thousands of years, and it works: Those who pass get to
keep enjoying our sport, and those who fail, don't.

Seems fair to me and no additional taxes, fees or enforcement are
required.


I would agree with you Wayne, if boating today remained the way it was in
the days of self-policing by the participants, commercial and recreational.
In those days most respected the rules and tradition of being at sea.
Unfortunately, that respect has faded, and boating is just another "right"
to many.

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:IPRVf.4023


They look bald - they aren't. The compounds are sticky and weight
takes care of the rest of the traction issue.

The only tread on aircraft tires are straight grooves running around the
tire...... water channels. Even when the tread is worn down, there's still
a lot of rubber left on the tire.

Hmmm. I don't like it. I don't care what anyone says. And then, there are
the pilots who think it's cute to be in the hotel bar until 2:00 AM, and
then on duty at 6:30 AM.

You just make this crap up as you go along, don't you?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"RCE" wrote in message

..... I've changed my mind. I think there should be state licensing with
a written test similar to getting a automobile driver's license.

Similar to auto licensing? You mean they should issue the boat operators
license to people with minimal, ineffective training, and no demonstrable
driving skills?

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:08:29 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Unfortunately, that respect has faded, and boating is just another "right"
to many.

The "law of the sea" will eventually catch up with them, it just takes
a little longer than we would sometimes like.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:31:09 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

The only tread on aircraft tires are straight grooves running around the
tire...... water channels. Even when the tread is worn down, there's still
a lot of rubber left on the tire.

If you want to get a close up look at heavy duty aircraft tires, go
down to the marina and find your friendly neighborhood travel lift.
Supposedly they use aircraft tires because of the load weight
requirements.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"RCE" wrote in message

..... I've changed my mind. I think there should be state licensing with
a written test similar to getting a automobile driver's license.

Similar to auto licensing? You mean they should issue the boat operators
license to people with minimal, ineffective training, and no demonstrable
driving skills?


It would be impractical to have a "driving" test and I would not support
that. But, I think you should at least pass a basic written test that
demonstrates a fundamental knowledge of safety, navigation, weather
recognition and general piloting rules.

RCE

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:IPRVf.4023


They look bald - they aren't. The compounds are sticky and weight
takes care of the rest of the traction issue.

The only tread on aircraft tires are straight grooves running around the
tire...... water channels. Even when the tread is worn down, there's
still a lot of rubber left on the tire.

Hmmm. I don't like it. I don't care what anyone says. And then, there are
the pilots who think it's cute to be in the hotel bar until 2:00 AM, and
then on duty at 6:30 AM.

You just make this crap up as you go along, don't you?


You've missed stories of pilots being removed from airplanes because they're
under the influence? My dad saw one rounded up while he was trying to
shmooze a stewardess who was taking tickets from boarding passengers. The
guy smelled like a brewery. A passenger noticed. (Tampa, approx 1978)

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:b89Xf.4450.

You've missed stories of pilots being removed from airplanes because
they're under the influence?

Nope, didn't miss em at all. During the 22 years I was involved in the
airline industry, it probably happened 3, maybe 4 times. Not a very
significant rate of occurence, Doug. For example, note your citation
below -- an event that took place *28* freakin' years ago!!!!


My dad saw one rounded up while he was trying to shmooze a stewardess who
was taking tickets from boarding passengers. The guy smelled like a
brewery. A passenger noticed. (Tampa, approx 1978)

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message .

If you want to get a close up look at heavy duty aircraft tires, go
down to the marina and find your friendly neighborhood travel lift.
..
Yes, I've noticed the similarity, but I got my fill of close up looks at
heavy duty aircraft tires every working day for lots of years.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message



John Gawkin, Vulcanizer Par Excellance!

Actually, not. In my job, you might say I took tread off the tires rather
than replacing it. :-)