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Are you the same Fred Dehl who suggested that ANWR, a tiny
incremental
step, would be better than nothing?

You're the only one who's suggested ANWR is a "tiny incremental
step".
It's far more than that.

Use numbers. What percentage is, or is not incremental, in your
opinion?

Until they started drilling in the Arabian Pennisula the didn't think
there was any oil.


And yes, one new vehicle could make a difference. Ford & GM didn't
take the idea of mini-vans

Mini-vans are loathed by your ilk.

Not relevant to this discussion. This is about marketing a product,
not my opinion of certain vehicles.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/

Ford Escape $19,995 (Base price)

Ford Escape Hybrid $27,515 (Base price)

That is a $7,520 dollar difference which translates into 3,008 gallons
of gas at the average price in the DC area today of $2.50 per gallon.
At 25 MPG that would mean that I could drive my non-Hybrid Escape
75,000 miles before I reach the acquisition cost of the Escape Hybrid.

You tell me which one you would buy?


seriously until Chrysler started selling
them like hotcakes. One highly efficient SUV that's successful will
lead the competition into the same market.

The cost of operating these SUVs is little different from operating a
gas
one.

I'll need a link for your source of that information. Good luck. The
vehicles don't exist yet.

The battery life of an Hybrid is estimated to be 100,000 miles. With a
projected cost of $5,000 to replace the batteries you have removed this
vehicle form the used vehicle market making them even less desirable to
acquire in the first place. When the salesman asks you if you are
trading something in and you say a Hybrid and he says we don't take
those in trade what are you going to do?

Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle, regardless
of how it was powered.

What do they say in tennis? Game, set and match.


Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended leases,
but because many people woke up and figured out they were the wrong car.
You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your vehicle. It's called
a "feint".


You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year old
SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate number and
generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not based
upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact that you said
"Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle, regardless of
how it was powered" was a poor attempt to deflect the factthat you were
beaten on your own terms.

Let's do it again.

Honda Civic Sedan DX $14,760 (Base model)

Honda Civic Sedan Hybrid $22,150 (Base model)

Well what do you know? There is a $7,390 difference in price which is about
the same difference between the Ford Escape and the Ford Escape Hybrid. The
difference in price between the Civic and Civic Hybrid in gallons of
gasoline, under the same terms above, is 2,956. Let's assume that the Civic
gets 32 miles per gallon. I will be able to drive my non-Hybrid Civic 94,500
miles before reaching the acquisition cost of the Civic Hybrid. And, the
batteries will still have to be replaced at about 100,000 miles incurring a
cost of $5,000 (batteries are batteries) and you have made the Civic Hybrid
a bad choice as a used care and a new car.

Do we need to go through the figures for the Toyota Prius?

Hybrid vehicles are not cost effective. Hybrid vehicles pose dangers to
emergency personnel.




You have to look at those hybrid vehicles as a first step.
You'd better hope the technology improves or your kids will be riding
bicycles.