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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple of
years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year in
Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast. Now Shortwave says they are coming up here this year.

What did I ever do to him?

RCE

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast. Now Shortwave says they are coming up here this year.

What did I ever do to him?

RCE

Don't move. Especially to Florida You Hurricane magnet you.

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast. Now Shortwave says they are coming up here this year.

What did I ever do to him?

RCE


Are you the real Joe Btfspik?

http://www.lil-abner.com/familyalbum2.html

;-)

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast. Now Shortwave says they are coming up here this year.

What did I ever do to him?

RCE


Are you the real Joe Btfspik?

http://www.lil-abner.com/familyalbum2.html

;-)


Not really, but lately I've become more like Ole Man Mose.

http://www.lil-abner.com/oldmanalb.html


RCE

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is amazing
what we have to design for,


Built to Miami-Dade code?

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NOYB wrote:
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple of
years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.

Nope. Not true. By code SOME areas like coastal have to be designed for
140 mph windspeed, some areas do not.

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"RCE" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.


Right. We had a pool enclosure installed two years ago at the house in
Jupiter. By code, it was built to withstand 140 mph winds. The 140 mph
code is nothing new - it's been the building code in Florida for several
years. Wilma came along and "POOF".

Granted, not a building structure, but still it was, by code, supposed to
withstand 140 mph winds without frame failure. I think the highest gust we
got during Wilma was around 110-120 mph.

Fortunately, the 14 year old stick house made it ok, minus a few concrete
roof shingles. I recently read that the use of concrete shingles is being
questioned now because if a few go, the rest tend to rip off like a zipper.

RCE

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is amazing
what we have to design for,

Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:17 -0500, Harry Krause
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NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.

I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

Extant?

You'd think Harry would at least provide a link to the meaning of some of
his words.

RCE

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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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P. Fritz wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is
amazing
what we have to design for,

Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?


Quite possibly, he means "we" as being the construction company he works
for. Jeeze.

RCE

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NOYB wrote:
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:18:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

snippity-snip

Extant?

In existance.
Mark E. Williams

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basskisser wrote:
P. Fritz wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is amazing
what we have to design for,


Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?


Do you think he's one of those 'carpetbaggers' who show up after major
storms to fleece the desperate & gullible?

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RCE wrote:
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:17 -0500, Harry Krause
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NOYB wrote:

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.

I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

Extant?


You'd think Harry would at least provide a link to the meaning of some of
his words.

RCE


extant
One entry found for extant.
Main Entry: ex·tant
Pronunciation: 'ek-st&nt; ek-'stant, 'ek-"
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin exstant-, exstans, present participle of exstare to
stand out, be in existence, from ex- + stare to stand -- more at STAND
1 archaic : standing out or above
2 a : currently or actually existing the most charming writer extant --
G. W. Johnson b : not destroyed or lost extant manuscripts

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.



In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE



Did the contractor replace it for free?

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NOYB wrote:

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.



In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that
said more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and
installed in a manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph
without failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Did the contractor replace it for free?

Hell no. There was still a one year waiting list for repairs from the two
hurricanes from the previous season.

Actually, we lucked out. The house was under agreement at the time Wilma
hit. In fact, the house inspection was originally scheduled for the day of
the hurricane, which is why I was down there in the first place. We
postponed the inspection until we got power back (took a week) and the
buyers of the house decided they liked the pool without the enclosure, so it
was no big deal. We ended up giving them a 10,000 dollar credit for the
minor roof damage and some landscaping rework.

RCE

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:11:11 -0600, Maynard G. Krebbs
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:18:09 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

snippity-snip

Extant?

In existance.

Still in existence - as in extant manuscripts meaning manuscripts
which still exist.

I think he was using it to describe existing multiple winds, like confused
seas. At least that was my interpretation.

RCE

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.


Right. We had a pool enclosure installed two years ago at the house in
Jupiter. By code, it was built to withstand 140 mph winds. The 140 mph
code is nothing new - it's been the building code in Florida for several
years. Wilma came along and "POOF".

Granted, not a building structure, but still it was, by code, supposed to
withstand 140 mph winds without frame failure. I think the highest gust
we got during Wilma was around 110-120 mph.

Fortunately, the 14 year old stick house made it ok, minus a few concrete
roof shingles. I recently read that the use of concrete shingles is being
questioned now because if a few go, the rest tend to rip off like a
zipper.

RCE

A pool enclosure is not much different than a biplane in construction.
Imagine a biplane disintegrating when it hit 140mph. Why can't they do a
better job designing these things?

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NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of
years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.

Nope. Not true. By code SOME areas like coastal have to be designed for
140 mph windspeed, some areas do not.


I was being facetious, dipstick.

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A pool enclosure is not much different than a biplane in construction.
Imagine a biplane disintegrating when it hit 140mph. Why can't they do a
better job designing these things?



Well, in theory the screens are supposed to pop out before the frame tears
apart. That's one of the reasons the rubber strips that hold the screen
sections in are facing outward. But, like many things, the theory doesn't
bear out and in our case the rubber strips held on long enough to rip the
aluminum frame apart in several sections. Only the frames are supposed to
withstand 140 mph, not the screening.

RCE

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:23:19 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Right. We had a pool enclosure installed two years ago at the house in
Jupiter. By code, it was built to withstand 140 mph winds. The 140 mph
code is nothing new - it's been the building code in Florida for several
years. Wilma came along and "POOF".

Around here the pool enclosures have been the first thing to go.
We've been luck so far but almost all of our neighbors have lost one
in the last two years. Interestingly enough, the ones that appear to
be the strongest are the first to fall.

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:17 -0500, Harry Krause
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NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.

I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

Extant?

You'd think Harry would at least provide a link to the meaning of some of
his words.

Just an odd use of the word.

Tom, this your alter ego site?
http://www.blowmeuptom.com/

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:44:23 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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A pool enclosure is not much different than a biplane in construction.
Imagine a biplane disintegrating when it hit 140mph. Why can't they do
a
better job designing these things?



Well, in theory the screens are supposed to pop out before the frame tears
apart. That's one of the reasons the rubber strips that hold the screen
sections in are facing outward. But, like many things, the theory doesn't
bear out and in our case the rubber strips held on long enough to rip the
aluminum frame apart in several sections. Only the frames are supposed to
withstand 140 mph, not the screening.

Theoretically, the glass in the John Hancock Building was supposed to
withstand 100 mph winds.

Of course they built the building like an airplane wing and lost how
many glass panels? :)

As much as you try, you can't design for everything and half the time
you don't even realize that your base design is worthless.

For a while there, the Hancock Building lost one or two panes of glass every
time somebody sneezed.

RCE

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
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Did you know I was responsible for getting Leykis kicked off the air
in Worcester, MA? :)
Tell us the story.

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of
years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.

Nope. Not true. By code SOME areas like coastal have to be designed for
140 mph windspeed, some areas do not.


I was being facetious, dipstick.

Your childish name calling does SO much for your credibility. Good job.

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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.




That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.


Right. We had a pool enclosure installed two years ago at the house in
Jupiter. By code, it was built to withstand 140 mph winds. The 140 mph
code is nothing new - it's been the building code in Florida for several
years. Wilma came along and "POOF".

Granted, not a building structure, but still it was, by code, supposed to
withstand 140 mph winds without frame failure. I think the highest gust
we got during Wilma was around 110-120 mph.

Fortunately, the 14 year old stick house made it ok, minus a few concrete
roof shingles. I recently read that the use of concrete shingles is being
questioned now because if a few go, the rest tend to rip off like a
zipper.

RCE

A pool enclosure is not much different than a biplane in construction.
Imagine a biplane disintegrating when it hit 140mph. Why can't they do a
better job designing these things?

It's not that they are doing a bad job of "designing these things",
it's that things are made cheaply, it's nothing short of profit margin.
Anybody with just a little engineering and building knowledge can make
a building that will stand up against considerable forces, but the
trick is to do so economically.

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basskisser wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of
years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.
Nope. Not true. By code SOME areas like coastal have to be designed for
140 mph windspeed, some areas do not.

I was being facetious, dipstick.

Your childish name calling does SO much for your credibility. Good job.

Bassy,
The problem with name calling is it is contagious. Let's not turn
rec.boats into it's old flamefest NG.

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

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RCE wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed!

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:20:02 GMT, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:29:41 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast
in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm
heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back
to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.

I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

Extant?

You'd think Harry would at least provide a link to the meaning of some
of
his words.

Just an odd use of the word.

Tom, this your alter ego site?
http://www.blowmeuptom.com/

Did you know I was responsible for getting Leykis kicked off the air
in Worcester, MA? :)

You liberals just can not take free speech. :)

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast
in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm
heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back
to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that
said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in
a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without
failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed!


That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off.

RCE

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RCE wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

RCE wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast
in
time for the big one.
You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm
heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one
year
in Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back
to
the
Northeast.

Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now.




I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane.

First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there.


In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that
said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in
a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without
failure.

It failed. At less than 140 mph.

RCE

Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed!


That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off.

RCE

Agreed. Also, in order to work as they are supposed to , they'd have
pop out in either direction! Because if the wind is blowing in one
direction, the leeward panels would then have a negative pressure on
them. But, alas, codes aren't worthless. If there were no code
provisions, people would be building structures that wouldn't withstand
someone blowing on them! One of my colleagues went to Clemson U, and
was on their hurricane team. Pretty interesting stuff.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off.

RCE

Agreed. Also, in order to work as they are supposed to , they'd have
pop out in either direction! Because if the wind is blowing in one
direction, the leeward panels would then have a negative pressure on
them. But, alas, codes aren't worthless. If there were no code
provisions, people would be building structures that wouldn't withstand
someone blowing on them! One of my colleagues went to Clemson U, and
was on their hurricane team. Pretty interesting stuff.


I was referring to the codes for screened pool enclosures. Building codes
are necessary, although some of the new codes, particularly electrical, are
getting ridiculous.

RCE

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:49:37 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Even buildings constructed to withstand the highest
winds were severely damaged by flying objects and by wind shear and
other forces that accompany the straight on winds of a major hurricane.

With a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hurricane all bet are off. It becomes more a
matter of luck than anything else. The wind loads on even modest
sized homes can exceed 200,000 lbs in that kind of storm.

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"RCE" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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P. Fritz wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/jfqgc

Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last
couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is
amazing
what we have to design for,

Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?


Quite possibly, he means "we" as being the construction company he works
for. Jeeze.

RCE

Kevin is as dumb as ever, he thinks "design" only means structural
engineering LMAO. He is still dumber than a tree stump.

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"Don White" wrote in message
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basskisser wrote:
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Whoo Hoo!!!

Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one.

You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading
your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple
of years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds.



No ****......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is
amazing
what we have to design for,


Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida?


Do you think he's one of those 'carpetbaggers' who show up after major
storms to fleece the desperate & gullible?

Still keeping your nose wedged up kevin's ass as usual.

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Do you think he's one of those 'carpetbaggers' who show up after major
storms to fleece the desperate & gullible?

As opposed to the locals that just screw them all the rest of the time?