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# from MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


from OHIO says from what i hear...
Etec's are having their problems, and Verados are doing well so far. :o)

From some of the forums, plenty more will try to keep you up to date.

K

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K. Smith wrote:

# from MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


from OHIO says from what i hear...
Etec's are having their problems, and Verados are doing well so far. :o)

From some of the forums, plenty more will try to keep you up to date.

K
Karen,
Do you have a link to this info?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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"K. Smith" wrote in message
...



from OHIO says from what i hear...
Etec's are having their problems, and Verados are doing well so far. :o)



According to a NJ boat surveyor, your thinking about Verados is incorrect..

"... The Vrat club jumped all over me after I asked a guy in Cape May how he
liked his Verado's. He lifted two engine covers of the three that were on
the 38 Fountain and both were waiting on new powerheads. Then he stated a
buddy was also waiting on another powerhead for his Vrat on his boat. I was
called a liar, a Merc hate monger and few other choice words because I
didn't have pictures. Since then I've seen several of them apart in
dealerships and more than few being towed in. These Vrat boys are definetly
running with tight blinders on."

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While I'm not inclined to turn it into a personal crusade like Karen, the
simplicity the old 2 strokes are completely out of the picture on these
things. I see no reason why anyone would not just get a 4 stroke.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

# from MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


from OHIO says from what i hear...
Etec's are having their problems, and Verados are doing well so far. :o)

From some of the forums, plenty more will try to keep you up to date.

K

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James wrote:
While I'm not inclined to turn it into a personal crusade like Karen, the
simplicity the old 2 strokes are completely out of the picture on these
things. I see no reason why anyone would not just get a 4 stroke.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
# from MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


from OHIO says from what i hear...
Etec's are having their problems, and Verados are doing well so far. :o)

From some of the forums, plenty more will try to keep you up to date.

K



Karen could be absolutely correct in her evaluation of Ficht and Etec,
but I can not find ANY documentation to verify her posit. I normally
question anyone who has a vendetta or personal crusade, especially when
they can not provide any links to support their position.

I like the simple technology of 4 stroke, but have not seen anything to
support Karen's position, and have only heard positive support by owners
and professionals in the business. If Etec was the disaster that Karen
believes, all 4 stroke mfg'ers and dealers would emphasize the
unreliability of their product and the problems with Etec. I have not
seen anyone using this as a sales tool against Etec.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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"K. Smith" wrote in message
...




It sounds like you quit taking your meds again. Have you told your doctor?

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Karen,
The problem with your hypothesis is that all the kick-backs, brides,
rebates, volume incentives and whatever provided from the mfg'er to the
dealer also apply with the 4 stroke engines. No dealer has to rely on
E-Tec as their source of income, and can make just as much money selling
4 stroke as they can 2 stroke. If your hypothesis of E-Tec's problems
was correct, it would be much easier for a dealer to provide proof of
the problems with E-Tec, sell the new customer a 4 stroke and look like
a genius and savior to the customer.

I would love to read more of the E-Tec horror stories, can you provide
me a link to the owner stories? Let me correct that, will you cut and
paste a link to the horror stories he

__________________________________________________ ___________________

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:57:59 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Karen,
The problem with your hypothesis is that all the kick-backs, brides,
rebates, volume incentives and whatever provided from the mfg'er to the
dealer also apply with the 4 stroke engines. No dealer has to rely on
E-Tec as their source of income, and can make just as much money selling
4 stroke as they can 2 stroke. If your hypothesis of E-Tec's problems
was correct, it would be much easier for a dealer to provide proof of
the problems with E-Tec, sell the new customer a 4 stroke and look like
a genius and savior to the customer.

I would love to read more of the E-Tec horror stories, can you provide
me a link to the owner stories? Let me correct that, will you cut and
paste a link to the horror stories he

I'll help Karen out - No, no she can't.
Tom,

Did you rebate check and payola check for Jan. 2006 arrive?

Mine just came in, and they threw in a little extra for me defending
E-Tec in rec.boats.

Easy money, don't you think?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:57:59 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Karen,
The problem with your hypothesis is that all the kick-backs, brides,
rebates, volume incentives and whatever provided from the mfg'er to
the dealer also apply with the 4 stroke engines. No dealer has to
rely on E-Tec as their source of income, and can make just as much
money selling 4 stroke as they can 2 stroke. If your hypothesis of
E-Tec's problems was correct, it would be much easier for a dealer to
provide proof of the problems with E-Tec, sell the new customer a 4
stroke and look like a genius and savior to the customer.

I would love to read more of the E-Tec horror stories, can you
provide me a link to the owner stories? Let me correct that, will
you cut and paste a link to the horror stories he

I'll help Karen out - No, no she can't.
Tom,

Did you rebate check and payola check for Jan. 2006 arrive?

Mine just came in, and they threw in a little extra for me defending
E-Tec in rec.boats.

Easy money, don't you think?

Opps.

Please ignore this message, it was sent in error and was supposed to be
sent via private email.

Damn it all, damn it all to hell. I need to watch what button I am
clicking.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Karen,
The problem with your hypothesis is that all the kick-backs, brides,
rebates, volume incentives and whatever provided from the mfg'er to the
dealer also apply with the 4 stroke engines. No dealer has to rely on
E-Tec as their source of income, and can make just as much money selling
4 stroke as they can 2 stroke. If your hypothesis of E-Tec's problems
was correct, it would be much easier for a dealer to provide proof of
the problems with E-Tec, sell the new customer a 4 stroke and look like
a genius and savior to the customer.

I would love to read more of the E-Tec horror stories, can you provide
me a link to the owner stories? Let me correct that, will you cut and
paste a link to the horror stories he

__________________________________________________ ___________________



Karen and Skipper do their reading in the same section of the
library...the fantasy section.

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


I would love to read more of the E-Tec horror stories, can you provide
me a link to the owner stories? Let me correct that, will you cut and
paste a link to the horror stories he


Karen and Skipper do their reading in the same section of the
library...the fantasy section.


Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong. Suspect history does repeat itself, Donald.

--
Skipper


Only my mother calls me 'Donald'!
I'm old enough...I just wasn't around here way back then.

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Don White wrote:

Karen and Skipper do their reading in the same section of the
library...the fantasy section.

Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong. Suspect history does repeat itself, Donald.

Only my mother calls me 'Donald'!
I'm old enough...I just wasn't around here way back then.

Yes, many contributors were not *there* back then...as is the case to
this day. History has proven Karen to be correct on most technical
issues of controversy. If she takes a strong position, it's wise to pay
attention.

--
Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong. Skipper


She hasn't proved anything, except her ignorance in DFI engines. Ranting and
raving is not proof.

Bill Grannis
service manager

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Billgran wrote:

"Skipper" wrote:

Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong.

She hasn't proved anything, except her ignorance in DFI engines. Ranting and
raving is not proof.

I have a great deal of respect for your advice, but Karen was proven
correct in her Ficht prognostications. That technology took a huge
company down as she *correctly* forecast. As for proof, the NG archives
are all the proof she needs on that subject. She was the only one
predicting that fall, as I recall.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Karen and Skipper do their reading in the same section of the
library...the fantasy section.

Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong. Suspect history does repeat itself, Donald.

Only my mother calls me 'Donald'!
I'm old enough...I just wasn't around here way back then.

Yes, many contributors were not *there* back then...as is the case to
this day. History has proven Karen to be correct on most technical
issues of controversy. If she takes a strong position, it's wise to pay
attention.

--
Skipper

Skipper,

Many wise people have supported unpopular positions and have been later
been proven correct. The problem I have with Karen's position is,
except for the initial first two years there has not been any abnormal
problem with Ficht or E-Tec. The initial problems was corrected, and to
the best of my understanding, the owners had their motors covered under
warranty. When I do a search on Ficht or E-Tec problems, the only
problems I can find relate to the initial problem.

Why have all the consumers, and their were many that complained during
the first two years, suddenly stopped complaining?

The only logical conclusion is the Ficht/E-Tec problem has been solved.

Why does Karen refuse to post links to the consumer complaints she has
posted in rec.boats. The logical conclusion is they relate to problems
that arose in the first two years and have since been corrected.

Those who are supporting E-Tec technology have done a much better job of
presenting their position. Karen speaks very loudly, but is not
effective in presenting a logical argument to support her position.
--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Skipper wrote:
Billgran wrote:

"Skipper" wrote:

Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong.

She hasn't proved anything, except her ignorance in DFI engines. Ranting and
raving is not proof.

I have a great deal of respect for your advice, but Karen was proven
correct in her Ficht prognostications. That technology took a huge
company down as she *correctly* forecast. As for proof, the NG archives
are all the proof she needs on that subject. She was the only one
predicting that fall, as I recall.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Can you provide some links to the problems with 2000 or later E-Tec and
Ficht engines?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

Yes, many contributors were not *there* back then...as is the case to
this day. History has proven Karen to be correct on most technical
issues of controversy. If she takes a strong position, it's wise to pay
attention.

Why does Karen refuse to post links to the consumer complaints she has
posted in rec.boats.

I just Googled the Ficht issue and found many consumer complaints. They
are there. And then there's the original OMC failure scam voiding
warrantees. What about those consumers?

Look, Karen was alone in detailing the technical problems and
forecasting the failure. That was a significant event. Why can't you
give her credit for that?

--
Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...

I just Googled the Ficht issue and found many consumer complaints. They
are there. And then there's the original OMC failure scam voiding
warrantees. What about those consumers?

--
Skipper

One of the problems of "Goggling" for feedback on any product is the
vastness of the Internet and the fact that, by far, the only people
motivated to post something are those that have problems or are otherwise
dissatisfied. There is little motivation to arbitrarily report that
"everything is fine and we love it." You will find 'em, but they are
usually in response to someone asking for recommendations or those having
specific questions about a product.

If you doubt this, pick several automobile models or any other high volume
product and Google for customer comments. The vast majority will be
complaints, but will only represent a small percentage of the total product
sales.

RCE

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RCE wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message
...
I just Googled the Ficht issue and found many consumer complaints. They
are there. And then there's the original OMC failure scam voiding
warrantees. What about those consumers?

--
Skipper

One of the problems of "Goggling" for feedback on any product is the
vastness of the Internet and the fact that, by far, the only people
motivated to post something are those that have problems or are otherwise
dissatisfied. There is little motivation to arbitrarily report that
"everything is fine and we love it." You will find 'em, but they are
usually in response to someone asking for recommendations or those having
specific questions about a product.

If you doubt this, pick several automobile models or any other high volume
product and Google for customer comments. The vast majority will be
complaints, but will only represent a small percentage of the total product
sales.

RCE


Richard,
The vast majority of complaints seem to be limited to the 1998 and 1999
models. I am sure there are some more recent, I just could not find any.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Reggie Smithers wrote:

The vast majority of complaints seem to be limited to the 1998 and 1999
models. I am sure there are some more recent, I just could not find any.

Sorry to learn of your infirmity. Hopefully, you will get your Google
working properly soon.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong. Suspect history does repeat itself, Donald.

More pharts from Skipper the naziboy.

Any luck getting that O/U at the show? No, I didn't think so.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

Any luck getting that O/U at the show?

Yup. Might even buy another shotgun for myself. I found a couple that were
really appealing, and at decent prices.

What do you consider decent prices for a proper O/U?

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

The vast majority of complaints seem to be limited to the 1998 and 1999
models. I am sure there are some more recent, I just could not find any.

Sorry to learn of your infirmity. Hopefully, you will get your Google
working properly soon.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Please post a few links. I might be Goggle deficient, but I try to be a
fast learner.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Harry Krause wrote:

Yup. Might even buy another shotgun for myself. I found a couple that were
really appealing, and at decent prices.

What do you consider decent prices for a proper O/U?

I've seen serviceable shotguns ranging in price "new" from a $125 up to
more than $20,000. They're all "proper" shotguns.

The beauty of break-open shotguns is that they are easy to design and
manufacture, compared to pump or semi-auto shotguns. It isn't rocket
science to manufacture one that works properly and shoots accurately.

Gawd, do you ever have a lot to learn!

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

The vast majority of complaints seem to be limited to the 1998 and 1999
models. I am sure there are some more recent, I just could not find
any.
Sorry to learn of your infirmity. Hopefully, you will get your Google
working properly soon.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Please post a few links. I might be Goggle deficient, but I try to be
a fast learner.


You've got a Vonage blockage.
Harry,
You might be correct, but even if Karen and Skipper position is
incorrect and silly, it is an on topic discussion and is discussing the
issues instead of personalities. The fact that neither Skipper or Karen
can provide any links supporting their position concerning 2000 - 2005
Ficht and Etec, says more about their quality than anything I can say.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:06:47 -0600 in rec.boats, Skipper penned the
following thoughts:

Reggie Smithers wrote:

Yes, many contributors were not *there* back then...as is the case to
this day. History has proven Karen to be correct on most technical
issues of controversy. If she takes a strong position, it's wise to pay
attention.
Why does Karen refuse to post links to the consumer complaints she has
posted in rec.boats.
I just Googled the Ficht issue and found many consumer complaints. They
are there. And then there's the original OMC failure scam voiding
warrantees. What about those consumers?

Using the same logic... if a lot of people post it, then it must be
true, right? http://tinyurl.com/alq33 Ready to recant you position of
"phacts," Skipper?

Look, Karen was alone in detailing the technical problems and
forecasting the failure. That was a significant event. Why can't you
give her credit for that?

As the self made "King of Google," I'm surprised you took no more
steps to refresh your hoary memory than you did.....

First mention of Ficht in Rec.boats:
October 18, 1995

First mention of Ficht problems Rec.boats:
October 10, 1998

First mention of Ficht problems in Rec.boats by K:
Jan 13, 1999

So... at least a three month gap in this newsgroup, alone. Also, one
might, if interested, review the following post and see if any of this
has held true with the modern engines:
http://tinyurl.com/cplod

The only "truth" I have read RE the Ficht engine is that OMC got in
WAY over their head with an R&D project that they lacked the resources
to fund. Unable to finish funding the product and seeing the writing
on the wall, they released a half-baked product, asking the consumer
to finish the R&D work at the consumer's personal expense. That is a
reminder that corporations look after themselves and the stockholders
first and the customers and everybody else, second.

There is nothing wrong with the technology and the latter engines have
proved it.

Now, squirm and google, Skipper.... but facts are facts.... and have
nothing to do with your manufactured "phacts."

It is amazing what you can find in Goggle. According to JD Powers
Bayliner is the worst boat reviewed in the Small Runabout category
including "Value for Money".

--
ReJ.D. Power Ratings - Small Runabouts (16-19 ft.)
Boat Builder Overall Rating Quality & Reliability Value for Money
Exterior Ride & Handling Features
Crownline 5 5 5 5 5 4
Chaparral 5 5 3 5 4 5
Four Winns 4 3 4 4 4 4
Sea Ray 4 3 4 4 3 4
Glastron 3 3 3 3 3 5
Bayliner 2 3 3 2 3 3

Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:56:59 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Billgran wrote:

"Skipper" wrote:

Unfortunately, you're not old enough to recall Karen accurately forecast
the Ficht debacle. She took on the Billgrans of the NG and *proved* them
wrong.

She hasn't proved anything, except her ignorance in DFI engines. Ranting and
raving is not proof.

I have a great deal of respect for your advice, but Karen was proven
correct in her Ficht prognostications. That technology took a huge
company down as she *correctly* forecast. As for proof, the NG archives
are all the proof she needs on that subject. She was the only one
predicting that fall, as I recall.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Can you provide some links to the problems with 2000 or later E-Tec and
Ficht engines?

His failure to answer the question speaks for itself.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Harry Krause wrote:

Well, I've done a bit more reading, and came across several really
favorable write-ups of the CZ line. The pieces are made in Turkey, and
used to be marketed in this country under the Huglu brand name. What I
have discovered is that many of today's shotguns, no matter what the
brand name says, are made in various places in the world in factories
more people have never heard of.

Here's a write-up on one in the Huglu line, which is now the CZ. I
looked at several of these today, and put a deposit on one. Check the
URL at the bottom and look over the photos, too.

Huglu USA's Side-By-Side Shotgun

http://www.gunblast.com/HugluUSA.htm

A side-by-side is not an O/U, Krause. No one uses side bys in
competitive shooting today.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

I spent some time looking at a line of shotguns today that I had not
seen before, and I was blown away ( :} by the relatively high level of
handwork, fit, and finish for a quite modest price. These pieces were
selling for $700 to $1000, and they were the match of anything new
selling for twice the price.

Outdoor Life tested one, and while there is always a modicum of hype in
this stuff, I found the report interesting:

"CZ O/U Redhead
Issue: Summer 2005
Price: $795
Contact: (800-955-4486)

Editor's Comments
I love this gun” and “great value” were among the comments written about
this fast-pointing, slick-operating O/U that not only earned our Great
Buy award but came very close to winning the Editor’s Choice award over
a gun costing more than four times as much! The CZ Redhead, which sells
for $795, opened as smooth as oiled silk, and the stock seemed to fit
everyone so well that 25 for 25 at skeet was common, even on the first
round. Ejection of spent cases was crisp and positive. The only
criticism mentioned was the too-heavy trigger pull."

That 7 pounds of trigger pull is a disqualifier, and 20 gauge is not the
way to go. You can find a proper gun for your $800. Using that gun is
like trying to tow your Parker some distance...an exercise in futility.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

That 7 pounds of trigger pull is a disqualifier, and 20 gauge is not the
way to go. You can find a proper gun for your $800.

Save your trolls for someone who cares about your opinions, Naziboy.

The words dense and thick come to mind with your response. You'll find
out why 7 1/4 oz pull is to much first time you shoot sporting clays.

--
Skipper

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"K. Smith" wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:
Karen,
The problem with your hypothesis is that all the kick-backs, brides,
rebates, volume incentives and whatever provided from the mfg'er to the
dealer also apply with the 4 stroke engines. No dealer has to rely on
E-Tec as their source of income, and can make just as much money selling
4 stroke as they can 2 stroke. If your hypothesis of E-Tec's problems
was correct, it would be much easier for a dealer to provide proof of
the problems with E-Tec, sell the new customer a 4 stroke and look like
a genius and savior to the customer.

Not really Reg, when the Ficht debacle was in full free fall it beggared
belief people like runaway william were still straight faced telling
people all was well.

It wasn't till after the bankruptcy when the administrator had a look at
the dealers' arrangements & declared they couldn't claim the rebates,
plan payments etc etc etc, which totaled ... wait for it .... 30% that's
30% markup on a 15000+ engine!!!

Karen was the *only* person warning of the Ficht debacle. All the usual
suspects were dissing her warnings. Time and history proved she was
right all along. It's in the NG archives.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

That 7 pounds of trigger pull is a disqualifier, and 20 gauge is not the
way to go. You can find a proper gun for your $800.

You'll find out why 7 1/4 oz pull is to much first time you shoot
sporting clays.

Oh wait, that's 7 1/4 *pounds* of pull according the the review.

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Skipper

E-Tec worth the risk when they cost as much as a medium sizedcar???
 

Skipper wrote:

That 7 pounds of trigger pull is a disqualifier, and 20 gauge is not the
way to go. You can find a proper gun for your $800.

Oh wait, that's 7 1/4 *pounds* of pull according the the review.

http://tinyurl.com/q2f2j

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Skipper

E-Tec worth the risk when they cost as much as a medium sizedcar???
 

Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

You'll not accept what I say I know...

What you post is b.s. piled on b.s. piled on b.s. Nothing more.

Please do tell us about your fab Zimmermanlike lobsterboat, Krause. You
are such a straight shooter.

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Skipper

E-Tec worth the risk when they cost as much as a medium sizedcar???