fed up please help
 

Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.

fed up please help
 

"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
...
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.

Ever hear of a "bendix"? as the starter spins the gear moves up the
shaft.

fed up please help
 

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:23:37 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
.. .
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.

Ever hear of a "bendix"? as the starter spins the gear moves up the
shaft.

So it sounds like it's stuck. What's best way to free it?

fed up please help
 

"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
...
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.



Most of the time if the starter drive gear is not rusted on the shaft, the
battery is too low or there is a connection problem with the terminals or
cables resulting in the starter not spinning over fast enough to "drive" the
gear up to engage the flywheel teeth. Check the battery charge and make sure
all the connections are clean and shiny without any corrosion or rust on
them.

Bill Grannis
service manager

fed up please help
 

Charlie Brown wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:23:37 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:

"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
...
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.
Ever hear of a "bendix"? as the starter spins the gear moves up the
shaft.

So it sounds like it's stuck. What's best way to free it?
A rubber mallet, if that doesn't work, get a bigger mallet.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

fed up please help
 

Thanks guys...I ended up taking the starter off. Turned the gear with
my hand and it "rose up" on the shaft. Sprayed it down good with
WD-40, put it back on and it worked like a charm. Sounds like might
be time for new starter though...I'd hate to have that happen to me on
the water. I'll make it a point to keep a 12mm socket and some wd-40
with me since removing the starter is very easy.

I am frustrated as all get out with this motor though. Problem with
the oil tank is still not fixed, the mechanic thought it was a bad
wire which he replaced but problem is still not fixed. Strangely
enough, it is a bit intermittent. Sometimes the remote pump shuts off
like it is supposed to and other times it just keeps running and
overflows. Not sure if that is indicative of a bad control unit or
not.

Also since getting boat out of shop, the oil indicator lights on the
guage are not working at all (they were before it went into the shop)
and the free accelleration lever is not working...again, it too was
working before going into the shop. Apparently, it was not put back
together right when the new throttle cables were installed. I am
****ed!!! Now I gotta haul the boat back again to the dealer. I will
say, that I thought I got a pretty good deal on the amount of labor I
was charged for the work I had done:

throttle cables
trim seals
oil problem
swim ladder install

total was 4 hours charged at $75 per hour. This is at a major dealer
in the area...Columbia, SC. I was very happy with that until I
discovered these problems today. Argh.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:11:54 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:02 GMT, "Billgran"
wrote:



"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
...
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.



Most of the time if the starter drive gear is not rusted on the shaft, the
battery is too low or there is a connection problem with the terminals or
cables resulting in the starter not spinning over fast enough to "drive" the
gear up to engage the flywheel teeth. Check the battery charge and make sure
all the connections are clean and shiny without any corrosion or rust on
them.

Or that...

Great advice.

fed up please help
 

"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
...
Thanks guys...I ended up taking the starter off. Turned the gear with
my hand and it "rose up" on the shaft.

Also since getting boat out of shop, the oil indicator lights on the
guage are not working at all (they were before it went into the shop)



For more information on the oil transfer system, here is a link to an
article I wrote about it:

http://bassandwalleyeboats.com/output.cfm?id=942859

Bill Grannis
service manager

fed up please help
 

Thanks Bill. What would be the best way to troubleshoot the indicator
lights. I see many wires coming out of the control unit, several
split off and to tot he remote tank and the others appear to go to the
cockpit.

Would a failing control unit also cause a complete malfunction of the
warning lights?

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:49:13 GMT, "Billgran"
wrote:


"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks guys...I ended up taking the starter off. Turned the gear with
my hand and it "rose up" on the shaft.

Also since getting boat out of shop, the oil indicator lights on the
guage are not working at all (they were before it went into the shop)



For more information on the oil transfer system, here is a link to an
article I wrote about it:

http://bassandwalleyeboats.com/output.cfm?id=942859

Bill Grannis
service manager

fed up please help
 

"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bill. What would be the best way to troubleshoot the indicator
lights. I see many wires coming out of the control unit, several
split off and to tot he remote tank and the others appear to go to the
cockpit.



You will need a factory wiring diagram to troubleshoot the system. Order a
manual from a dealer, the aftermarket manuals are not always accurate or
complete.

Bill Grannis
service manager

fed up please help
 

Perhaps the battery is low and not giving the starter a quick snappy
starting spin to engage the starter drive.

Don Dando


Charlie Brown wrote in message
...
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.

fed up please help
 

Firstly make sure its getting full voltage. After that, I would guess you
need a new starter. It has a solenoid in it that extends the shaft long
enough to engage the flywheel. Car starters fail this way also.

Be happy it happened on the driveway. According to Murphy's Law these
things usually happen at the worst possible location out in the lake.

If the starter is expensive, call an auto electric shop and ask if it can be
rebuilt.

--
Denis Roy
D. Roy Woodcraft
www.ideasinwood.com
"Don Dando" wrote in message
t...
Perhaps the battery is low and not giving the starter a quick snappy
starting spin to engage the starter drive.

Don Dando


Charlie Brown wrote in message
...
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.

fed up please help
 

like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

Who are you mad at? Yourself? (I hope) for not knowing how to maintain
or work on a boat.
It sounds like the work you had done had nothing to do with starter
motor maintenance, so you can't be blaming the repair shop. Or do you
just lose your temper every time something doesn't work? In that case
please see a shrink.

fed up please help
 

"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
...
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

Who are you mad at? Yourself? (I hope) for not knowing how to maintain
or work on a boat.
It sounds like the work you had done had nothing to do with starter
motor maintenance, so you can't be blaming the repair shop. Or do you
just lose your temper every time something doesn't work? In that case
please see a shrink.


I guess you never hire somebody to do a job? Do your own doctoring, and
dentistry? He was POed about the stuff not getting fixed.

fed up please help
 

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:31:35 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
.. .
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

Who are you mad at? Yourself? (I hope) for not knowing how to maintain
or work on a boat.
It sounds like the work you had done had nothing to do with starter
motor maintenance, so you can't be blaming the repair shop. Or do you
just lose your temper every time something doesn't work? In that case
please see a shrink.


I guess you never hire somebody to do a job? Do your own doctoring, and
dentistry? He was POed about the stuff not getting fixed.

He was poe'd about his starter sticking. He didn't have his starter
serviced. He had other stuff done.
When you have your car oil changed do you get ****ed at the oil
changers if the door window then jams? If so....SEE A SHRINK!
Geesh!

fed up please help
 

"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:31:35 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
. ..
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

Who are you mad at? Yourself? (I hope) for not knowing how to maintain
or work on a boat.
It sounds like the work you had done had nothing to do with starter
motor maintenance, so you can't be blaming the repair shop. Or do you
just lose your temper every time something doesn't work? In that case
please see a shrink.


I guess you never hire somebody to do a job? Do your own doctoring, and
dentistry? He was POed about the stuff not getting fixed.

He was poe'd about his starter sticking. He didn't have his starter
serviced. He had other stuff done.
When you have your car oil changed do you get ****ed at the oil
changers if the door window then jams? If so....SEE A SHRINK!
Geesh!

And the other stuff was screwed up also. So with enough screwed up to be
fixed stuff, I would blame the starter on the dealer also. They should have
caught it, if nothing else.

fed up please help
 

please see a shrink.

Hell yes I get ****ed off when **** breaks. What do you do, celebrate
the opportunity for its potential as a learning experience? Screw
that ****. I would like to have better mechanical skills, but I don't.
And yeah, that ****es me off too. Tried seeing a shrink once, but he
****ed me off. But what ****es me off most, are people like you who
think that there is something wrong with getting ****ed off in the
first place. So go **** up a rope...

At least I know I hit the nail on the head with this one....

See a shrink...lol....

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And the other stuff was screwed up also. So with enough screwed up to be
fixed stuff, I would blame the starter on the dealer also. They should have
caught it, if nothing else.

So if you bring an old car in to have something fixed and then
something else breaks after you leave you would blame them.....
Ok...

fed up please help
 

please see a shrink.

Hell yes I get ****ed off when **** breaks. What do you do, celebrate
the opportunity for its potential as a learning experience?

Sort of...I do...especially if I have an older boat. I would expect
stuff to break and not blame everyone else like some sort of a mental
case.
Maybe if you did take it as a learning experience and learned to deal
with it like an adult and learn to fix things instead of having a
whiny little ****y fit your life would be better and no need for
shinks since you get ****ed off at them too...you are a real
headcase...you need to be told that.

fed up please help
 

"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
...

And the other stuff was screwed up also. So with enough screwed up to be
fixed stuff, I would blame the starter on the dealer also. They should
have
caught it, if nothing else.

So if you bring an old car in to have something fixed and then
something else breaks after you leave you would blame them.....
Ok...

**** up a rope. You are not talking an old car. And the stuff he had fixed
was not fixed either. Get a shrink.

fed up please help
 

"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
...
please see a shrink.

Hell yes I get ****ed off when **** breaks. What do you do, celebrate
the opportunity for its potential as a learning experience?

Sort of...I do...especially if I have an older boat. I would expect
stuff to break and not blame everyone else like some sort of a mental
case.
Maybe if you did take it as a learning experience and learned to deal
with it like an adult and learn to fix things instead of having a
whiny little ****y fit your life would be better and no need for
shinks since you get ****ed off at them too...you are a real
headcase...you need to be told that.

Do not ever go to the doctor. Fix what ails you yourself. You are the
headcase. Get a shrink. Whoops, you can not do that as you have to heal
thyself.

fed up please help
 

Hell yes I get ****ed off when **** breaks. What do you do, celebrate
the opportunity for its potential as a learning experience?

Sort of...I do...especially if I have an older boat. I would expect
stuff to break and not blame everyone else like some sort of a mental
case.
Maybe if you did take it as a learning experience and learned to deal
with it like an adult and learn to fix things instead of having a
whiny little ****y fit your life would be better and no need for
shinks since you get ****ed off at them too...you are a real
headcase...you need to be told that.

Do not ever go to the doctor. Fix what ails you yourself. You are the
headcase. Get a shrink. Whoops, you can not do that as you have to heal
thyself.


Having a whiny little ****y fit?.....lol.....
Calif Bill.....What a freekin idiot!

fed up please help
 

"John Chaplain" John wrote in message
...

Hell yes I get ****ed off when **** breaks. What do you do, celebrate
the opportunity for its potential as a learning experience?

Sort of...I do...especially if I have an older boat. I would expect
stuff to break and not blame everyone else like some sort of a mental
case.
Maybe if you did take it as a learning experience and learned to deal
with it like an adult and learn to fix things instead of having a
whiny little ****y fit your life would be better and no need for
shinks since you get ****ed off at them too...you are a real
headcase...you need to be told that.

Do not ever go to the doctor. Fix what ails you yourself. You are the
headcase. Get a shrink. Whoops, you can not do that as you have to heal
thyself.


Having a whiny little ****y fit?.....lol.....
Calif Bill.....What a freekin idiot!

**** up a rope. You do not ever hire anything done?

fed up please help
 

Charlie Brown wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:23:37 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:


"Charlie Brown" wrote in message
.. .
Just got my boat back from the shop for new throttle cable, trim seals
and oil tank overfilling.

I get home, want to test boat, hook up the water, turn key and all's I
get is a spinning of the starter motor.

I see that the gear of the starter motor is below the flywheel,
basically spinning free. I'm not much of a mechanic, but I can
surmise that the starter gear must somehow mesh with the flywheel to
turn the motor over. Looking at the service manual, it doesn't look
like anything complicated. Is the starter gear supposed to move up on
the shaft as it spins? I don't get it!!! I am mad as heck.

The photos in the manual have me just as confused, some of the photos
show the starter gear below the flywheel and others seem to show it
meshed together.

Ever hear of a "bendix"? as the starter spins the gear moves up the
shaft.

So it sounds like it's stuck. What's best way to free it?

Lots of times it's just stuck a little. Spray a little WD-40 on it,
move it up and down a few times with your hand, then try it with the
key. If it then works, apply a little spray lithium grease.