Verado v Optimax
 

Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.


Any help is appreciated.

Verado v Optimax
 

Tom,

Who now is offering new boats rigged with ETECs?

I'm still happy with my 99 115 FICHT but am kinda sorta almost in the market
for an 18 foot or so boat for 99% inshore 1% offshore fishing with two to
three companions.

Butch
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:

Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.

dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.

Verado v Optimax
 

they are totally different motors with different characteristics ... it
depends on the boat they should go on ...

I would stay away from the verados until they have proven themselves
.... the supercharger is just another psart that can break down

matt

Verado v Optimax
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.


dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.

The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still be
"available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be worth
something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht there
are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will confirm the
technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine hasn't failed
(yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale becasue of the
risky engine.

K

Verado v Optimax
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:26:38 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Tom,

Who now is offering new boats rigged with ETECs?

in fishing boats, ranger, stratos, seaswirl, i think triton can be
purchased with a etec - other than that i honestly dont know. i
believe you can purchase a bare boat and have it rigged for etecs like
i did with the contender.

I'm still happy with my 99 115 FICHT but am kinda sorta almost in the market
for an 18 foot or so boat for 99% inshore 1% offshore fishing with two to
three companions.

ive decided not to sell my ranger unless somebody offers me exactly
what i want for it so i will be replacing the 200 ficht with about 600
hours on it for a 225 etec in another month.

the one engine i wont buy is a verado. ive heard more horror stories
from some pretty reliable sources about superharger problems, the
whole fly by wire deal and fuel economy (or extreme lack of) that its
down right scary.

i could settle for an optimax if i was forced into it although im not
a merc fan after they screwed me on that trolling motor warranty.
Tom,
Why are you replacing a engine with 600 hrs on it?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Verado v Optimax
 

K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.


dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.

The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still be
"available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be worth
something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht there
are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will confirm the
technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine hasn't failed
(yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale becasue of the
risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could not
find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the road, no
E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will devalue in
resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being discontinued?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Verado v Optimax
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.

dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still
be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be
worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could not
find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the road, no
E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will devalue
in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being discontinued?



Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for his
anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.
Karen believes what she says. My question is a polite way of seeing if
her beliefs are based on anything factual or just a gut feel. If her
belief is based upon a gut feel, those newbies who do not know of
Karen's long term hard on for Ficht, can decide if her opinion is more
valuable than those who own E-Tec.


--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Verado v Optimax
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a
boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.
dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still
be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be
worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed
as E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could
not find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the
road, no E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will
devalue in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being
discontinued?


Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for his
anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.


Sorry, but I have an entirely different opinion of Ms. Smith. It is
interesting how tolerant you are of certain gross misbehavers here, eh?
Harry,
No, I don't find it interesting at all, my tolerance level does not
change based upon the person or the misbehavior. The only thing
different between you and me is the way I have chosen to handle it. I
would prefer to ignore the off topic trolls designed to catch a specific
species of fish. If I think someone is misinformed about an on topic
discussion, I am trying to keep the discussion factual and not personal.

You have been biting on every bait Skipper throws your way for years.
He throws the bait, and before it hits the water, you have it hook, line
and sinker. If Karen really is trolling, you bite on everyone of her
lures also when you make personal insults. You started by saying I am
feeding Karen by responding to her, if she really is trolling, she does
not want my kind of serious question, she wants your emotional response,
the same way Skipper loves when he get an emotional response from you.

You don't have to believe me, do a Goggle on Newsgroup Trolls, and see
what 100% of the experts say.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Verado v Optimax
 

Thanks to those who responded that stayed on topic. Doesn't sound like
much of anybody was a merc fan. How about the Yamaha's? I've heard
enough about the ETEC's.

Verado v Optimax
 

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.


Why is that the case? the optimax injects directly into the cylinder ?
And why does it make it more reliable?

P.S.

one of my theories about ETec vs 4stroke vs optimax is that the Etec
seems to be using slightly (5-15%) gas. Which may be because of its
"nosed" piston which helps efficiency at low rpm but not at high rpm.

Lets not even go into the BRP claims it is more efficient .. which are
measured at idle speed and true... But also at that rpm and fuel use
even 50% more would be irrelelvant.



Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

BRP clains the ETec uses less fuel as other motors ... this is the case
at idle speed, where it hardly matters if a motor uses 20% more or less
fuel.

Above idle the ETec seems to use as much or 0-15% more fuel as other
motors. This is based on the performance data I have seen so far.

ETec pistons have a distinct shape with a dip in which a raised "nose"
sits. This helps at idle speeds but makes it less efficient at open
throttle.


Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006 17:55:18 -0800, wrote:

BRP clains the ETec uses less fuel as other motors ... this is the case
at idle speed, where it hardly matters if a motor uses 20% more or less
fuel.

20% of 100 is what?

20


id say thats pretty significant.

if I burn 1.5 gph or 3 gph trolling (+100%) .... I couldnt care less
....

If I burn 15 or 30 gph at cruise (+100%) .. it matters to me


Above idle the ETec seems to use as much or 0-15% more fuel as other
motors. This is based on the performance data I have seen so far.

interesting - it certainly isnt what i see with mine - we, my partner
and i, saved over 34% fuel based against the previous years fichts.

where did you get the performance data from?

http://www.e-tecinfonet.org/id3.html

I compared similar setups to Yamaha 4 strokes .... as I said it "seems"
like they use 5-15% more ... They do not seem to use significantly less
at cruise....

Lets leave idle speed out as its insignificant and WOT as pretty much
all motors use very equal amounts of fuel at WOT.



ETec pistons have a distinct shape with a dip in which a raised "nose"
sits. This helps at idle speeds but makes it less efficient at open
throttle.

really? and you base this one what?

Thats the way BRP shaped the pistons to help distribute the fuel around
the sparkplug in lean burn. As why it is not so efficient at higher
rpms ... Any book about combustion engine design will tell

Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006 19:24:36 -0800, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006 17:55:18 -0800, wrote:

~~ snip ~~

really? and you base this one what?

Thats the way BRP shaped the pistons to help distribute the fuel around
the sparkplug in lean burn. As why it is not so efficient at higher
rpms ... Any book about combustion engine design will tel

bull****. i average a little around 8 to 11 gph at cruise which is 35
mph. thats a damn sight better than any four stroke or two cycle on
the market today.

I will yet have to see any data that would show the ETec uses less fuel
at cruise at the same speed as an Optimax or modern 4 stroke ... If
you have any data, let me know.

Until then, lets both stick to our opinion .. No hard feelings.

Dont get me wrong .. I think the ETecs are great motors and I am close
to getting one ... but its just that from the data I have seen, their
fuel efficieny is just not better as 4stroke or Optimax.

and who the hell cruises at wot?

Nobody ... what makes you think that?

Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 Feb 2006 09:13:47 -0800, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006 19:24:36 -0800, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006 17:55:18 -0800, wrote:

~~ snip ~~

really? and you base this one what?

Thats the way BRP shaped the pistons to help distribute the fuel around
the sparkplug in lean burn. As why it is not so efficient at higher
rpms ... Any book about combustion engine design will tel

bull****. i average a little around 8 to 11 gph at cruise which is 35
mph. thats a damn sight better than any four stroke or two cycle on
the market today.

I will yet have to see any data that would show the ETec uses less fuel
at cruise at the same speed as an Optimax or modern 4 stroke ... If
you have any data, let me know.

Until then, lets both stick to our opinion .. No hard feelings.

Dont get me wrong .. I think the ETecs are great motors and I am close
to getting one ... but its just that from the data I have seen, their
fuel efficieny is just not better as 4stroke or Optimax.

what kind of - data - are you looking for? compared to what other

gph over mph data

boats use for fuel in my marina, similar boats - regulators, bluefins,
and one contender with twin hpdi yamahas - compared to mine with
optimaxes, i use less fuel by at least 30% - in fact, one guy is

30% is a great saving but its lilely to be caused by others factors as
just the motor ..

selling his optimaxes with less than 400 hours on them to get etecs.

let me hear what the results are .. I honestly doubt he will save fuel
by doing that..



and who the hell cruises at wot?

Nobody ... what makes you think that?

sorry - i wasnt feeling very good when i wrote that - my bad.

Am glad .. i was worried for a second ;)

Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 Feb 2006 12:19:01 -0800, wrote:

selling his optimaxes with less than 400 hours on them to get etecs.

let me hear what the results are .. I honestly doubt he will save fuel
by doing that..

we will see - i'm betting he saves at least 20%. ill know by the end
of feb which is when he takes delivery.

Definately let me know .. it would be interesting to see ...


i can tell you that i get the exact same gph rate with the contender
fisharound (31 foot long) that is 7,000 pounds heavier than its
predecessor. a contender 31 cc. the cc had 225 fichts, the fisharound
has 225 etecs..

Interesting indeed ... may also mean the FICHTs were gas guzzlers ;)

Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

lets give this a break until some measured fuel use data comes in :)

Verado v Optimax
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a
boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.

dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention
that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still
be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be
worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed
as E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct
injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could not
find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the road, no
E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will devalue
in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being discontinued?



Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for his
anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.
Karen believes what she says. My question is a polite way of seeing if
her beliefs are based on anything factual or just a gut feel. If her
belief is based upon a gut feel, those newbies who do not know of
Karen's long term hard on for Ficht, can decide if her opinion is more
valuable than those who own E-Tec.

Let me just remind you all that stories about Ficht being unreliable and
so forth were pretty hard to come by while they were being manufactured.
Any stories were dismissed as "isolated" although in retrospect there
were some items on a couple of sites catering to dealers etc that by
reading between the lines could be construed as hints.

The whole incident reminds me of certain cars that got good reviews when
introduced only to get the "what a piece of crap, it was never any good"
after they were gone. Vega comes to mind. Popular Science with article
on the wonderful new aluminum block with anodized bore, and what an
advance it was. Or go back to the Caddy 4/6/8 and read the original
articles.

Same with Ficht.

How many etecs have been sold?

How many folks that post to this group have one?


del

Verado v Optimax
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 1 Feb 2006 19:24:36 -0800, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006 17:55:18 -0800, wrote:

~~ snip ~~

really? and you base this one what?

Thats the way BRP shaped the pistons to help distribute the fuel around
the sparkplug in lean burn. As why it is not so efficient at higher
rpms ... Any book about combustion engine design will tel

bull****. i average a little around 8 to 11 gph at cruise which is 35
mph. thats a damn sight better than any four stroke or two cycle on
the market today.

and who the hell cruises at wot?
Here be a quote from the BWB 90 HP shootout

"In terms of optimum cruising economy, the Evinrude finished in the
middle of the pack. Unfortunately, our test engine had two faults. The
first occurred at 1500 rpm, where the Evinrude was very rough running.
Then, at 2000 rpm, it would not hold a constant rpm but would surge to
2500 or higher. The E-Tec injection system provides a very lean fuel
charge at low rpm for exceptional slow speed economy, and we suspect that
2000 rpm is where the changeover occurs to a normal fuel/air mix. If so,
this likely explains the surging. At 2000 rpm and 7.9 mph, this rig is
about to climb onto plane and the surging will probably be
inconsequential for most owners.

BWB Field Editor Bill Grannis, our Johnson/Evinrude expert, tells us that
this problem, which generally occurs on light or overpropped boats, has
been addressed in a warranty bulletin by BRP titled
"Recalibration/Software Update." The software update that corrects this
problem is available for 2004 models at dealers for no charge. The
warranty bulletin states "improvements are already incorporated in 2005
models."

del

Verado v Optimax
 

Del Cecchi wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a
boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.
dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention
that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still
be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be
worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed
as E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct
injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could not
find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the road, no
E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will devalue
in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being discontinued?


Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for his
anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.
Karen believes what she says. My question is a polite way of seeing if
her beliefs are based on anything factual or just a gut feel. If her
belief is based upon a gut feel, those newbies who do not know of
Karen's long term hard on for Ficht, can decide if her opinion is more
valuable than those who own E-Tec.

Let me just remind you all that stories about Ficht being unreliable and
so forth were pretty hard to come by while they were being manufactured.
Any stories were dismissed as "isolated" although in retrospect there
were some items on a couple of sites catering to dealers etc that by
reading between the lines could be construed as hints.

The whole incident reminds me of certain cars that got good reviews when
introduced only to get the "what a piece of crap, it was never any good"
after they were gone. Vega comes to mind. Popular Science with article
on the wonderful new aluminum block with anodized bore, and what an
advance it was. Or go back to the Caddy 4/6/8 and read the original
articles.

Same with Ficht.

How many etecs have been sold?

How many folks that post to this group have one?


del


Del,
If I can read between the lines, you agree with Karen that Ficht did
have problems that went beyond the norm. You also have a concern that
ETec is to too new to determine if they have actually corrected the problem.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Verado v Optimax
 

If I can read between the lines, you agree with Karen that Ficht did
have problems that went beyond the norm. You also have a concern that
ETec is to too new to determine if they have actually corrected the problem.




I dont think anybody would dispute that FICHT had problems that went
beyond the norm ...

I would also agree to the theory that a 2 stroke DFI is more
complicated as the average 4 stroke motor as the DFI motor has to go
out of its way to meet emission standards and is emplyoing technolgies
that have not been tested and perfected ovet the last 80 years (like
the 4 strokes). Therefore will have a higher kaboom risk.

I by the way have not heard of kaboomed 4 strokes as much as kaboomed
2DFI's.


Matt

Verado v Optimax
 

Verado v Optimax
 

Matt,
Do you work in the boating industry?

No. Should I?

Verado v Optimax
 

Verado v Optimax
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Del Cecchi wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"

wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a
boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.
dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention
that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out
of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and
power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable &
still be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will
still be worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed
as E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct
injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could
not find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the
road, no E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will
devalue in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being
discontinued?


Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for
his anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.
Karen believes what she says. My question is a polite way of seeing
if her beliefs are based on anything factual or just a gut feel. If
her belief is based upon a gut feel, those newbies who do not know of
Karen's long term hard on for Ficht, can decide if her opinion is
more valuable than those who own E-Tec.

Let me just remind you all that stories about Ficht being unreliable
and so forth were pretty hard to come by while they were being
manufactured. Any stories were dismissed as "isolated" although in
retrospect there were some items on a couple of sites catering to
dealers etc that by reading between the lines could be construed as
hints.

The whole incident reminds me of certain cars that got good reviews
when introduced only to get the "what a piece of crap, it was never
any good" after they were gone. Vega comes to mind. Popular Science
with article on the wonderful new aluminum block with anodized bore,
and what an advance it was. Or go back to the Caddy 4/6/8 and read
the original articles.

Same with Ficht.

How many etecs have been sold?

How many folks that post to this group have one?


del
Del,
If I can read between the lines, you agree with Karen that Ficht did
have problems that went beyond the norm. You also have a concern that
ETec is to too new to determine if they have actually corrected the
problem.

--
Reggie
Well, OMC did go bankrupt and there were discussions at the time as to
whether it was due to warantee expense. And there were some statements
from executives. Would you say, from today's vantage point, that Ficht
had problems beyond the norm? And if it did, would you want to risk 15k
bucks on a related technology from the same folks?

Mercury seems to be investing a lot of money on 4 strokes, as are Yamaha
and Suzuki. OMC/Bombardier on the other hand seems to be putting all
their money on e-tec two strokes. Someone isn't right. I guess I will
keep filling my carb'd merc with gas for a few more years.

del

Verado v Optimax
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Matt,
Do you work in the boating industry?

No. Should I?

No, I was just wondering if you are basing your info on a large
database based on personal info.

--
Reggie

Any large database of failure data for outboards seems more secret than
CIA activities. Where is NY Times when it comes to something important?

del

Verado v Optimax
 

No, I was just wondering if you are basing your info on a large database
based on personal info.

Well ... that 3Star 2DFI motors are somewhat more complicated to design
as the average 4 stroke seems to me common sense ...

That I havent heard of many kaboomed 4 strokes is personal info ...
anybody who wants to shower that with data either way is welcome to do
so :)

Matt