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Skipper January 31st 06 06:15 AM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:

http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r

--
Skipper

[email protected] January 31st 06 03:37 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 

Skipper wrote:
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:

http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r

--
Skipper


Perhaps you should learn to comrehend what you read.


[email protected] January 31st 06 04:46 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 

Skipper wrote:
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:

http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r

--
Skipper



Probably the result of excessive trolling by folks from out of state.


Skipper January 31st 06 05:17 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:


http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r


Perhaps you should learn to comrehend what you read.


Word is New Jersey transplants were responsible for the destruction.
Seems that with the European turmoil during the thirties and fourties,
masses of these East Europeans migrated to New Jersey. Story is most
fished with huge trot lines tied around 55-gallon oil drums. Problem
was, they only ate gefilte fish, so everything else was thrown overboard
as bycatch. They soon decimated the native Atlantic cod population.

Many of these gefilte specialists then migrated to the DC area to take
advantage of government jobs. Well, you know what happened next, the
Chesapeake was also devasted by their techniques. With Northern Altantic
and Chesapeake waters ruined, they then invaded Floriduh. Yep, you know
it, those waters have now been ruined.

--
Skipper

Reggie Smithers January 31st 06 06:32 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:


http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r


Perhaps you should learn to comrehend what you read.


Word is New Jersey transplants were responsible for the destruction.
Seems that with the European turmoil during the thirties and fourties,
masses of these East Europeans migrated to New Jersey. Story is most
fished with huge trot lines tied around 55-gallon oil drums. Problem
was, they only ate gefilte fish, so everything else was thrown overboard
as bycatch. They soon decimated the native Atlantic cod population.

Many of these gefilte specialists then migrated to the DC area to take
advantage of government jobs. Well, you know what happened next, the
Chesapeake was also devasted by their techniques. With Northern Altantic
and Chesapeake waters ruined, they then invaded Floriduh. Yep, you know
it, those waters have now been ruined.

--
Skipper




Anyone who still had doubts whether Skipper was a Jew-hating slimeball
should have doubts no more.


I really don't know if Skipper is an anti-semitic, I do know he knows
what bait to use to get a rise out of the group. The exact same as jps
as his "Affording Fuel" post. Both are nothing more than trolls looking
for a nice long thread.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Reggie Smithers January 31st 06 06:41 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:
http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r
Perhaps you should learn to comrehend what you read.
Word is New Jersey transplants were responsible for the destruction.
Seems that with the European turmoil during the thirties and fourties,
masses of these East Europeans migrated to New Jersey. Story is most
fished with huge trot lines tied around 55-gallon oil drums. Problem
was, they only ate gefilte fish, so everything else was thrown
overboard
as bycatch. They soon decimated the native Atlantic cod population.

Many of these gefilte specialists then migrated to the DC area to take
advantage of government jobs. Well, you know what happened next, the
Chesapeake was also devasted by their techniques. With Northern
Altantic
and Chesapeake waters ruined, they then invaded Floriduh. Yep, you know
it, those waters have now been ruined.

--
Skipper


Anyone who still had doubts whether Skipper was a Jew-hating
slimeball should have doubts no more.


I really don't know if Skipper is an anti-semitic, I do know he knows
what bait to use to get a rise out of the group. The exact same as
jps as his "Affording Fuel" post. Both are nothing more than trolls
looking for a nice long thread.



You really don't know, eh?

Harry,
I find it very hard to believe that anyone could actually believe
anything that Skipper said in this post. For that reason, I believe it
was just a new version of an old bait.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Reggie Smithers January 31st 06 07:18 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:
http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r
Perhaps you should learn to comrehend what you read.
Word is New Jersey transplants were responsible for the destruction.
Seems that with the European turmoil during the thirties and
fourties,
masses of these East Europeans migrated to New Jersey. Story is most
fished with huge trot lines tied around 55-gallon oil drums. Problem
was, they only ate gefilte fish, so everything else was thrown
overboard
as bycatch. They soon decimated the native Atlantic cod population.

Many of these gefilte specialists then migrated to the DC area to
take
advantage of government jobs. Well, you know what happened next, the
Chesapeake was also devasted by their techniques. With Northern
Altantic
and Chesapeake waters ruined, they then invaded Floriduh. Yep, you
know
it, those waters have now been ruined.

--
Skipper

Anyone who still had doubts whether Skipper was a Jew-hating
slimeball should have doubts no more.
I really don't know if Skipper is an anti-semitic, I do know he
knows what bait to use to get a rise out of the group. The exact
same as jps as his "Affording Fuel" post. Both are nothing more
than trolls looking for a nice long thread.


You really don't know, eh?

Harry,
I find it very hard to believe that anyone could actually believe
anything that Skipper said in this post. For that reason, I believe
it was just a new version of an old bait.


I never "believe" anything Skipper posts about anything, but that's not
the point. The point is not that there was "factual" information in that
last anti-Semitic post of this. The point is that he is posting
anti-Semitic materials.

You know anything about Germany in the 1930s? The German government
posted lots of anti-Semitic materials, and there was nothing to believe
in that material, either. Some people did believe it, though. Oh...and
do you think the Nazis published such material to get a rise out of people?



Skipper has a long history of posting anti-Semitic remarks in this
newsgroup.


The Nazi's were very effective in blaming the Jews for the bad economy,
no one, not even a skinhead is going to believe the Jews are responsible
for overfishing the Atlantic. Heck, I have none many Jews and none of
them enjoyed fishing. Maybe the Jews will blame the overfishing on the
Gentiles.

Seriously, responding to Skipper that his remarks are anti-semitic or
that he is a Jew hating Nazi does nothing to stop the remarks. If you
want to stop them, you just have to ignore them. Even if Skipper is a
Jew Hating Nazi, he would not make the posts if he didn't know it would
get a rise out of you.



--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

JohnH January 31st 06 08:59 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:25:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:
Sad news, the respected Miami Herald is now reporting Floriduh has
reached fished out status:
http://tinyurl.com/7ls8r
Perhaps you should learn to comrehend what you read.
Word is New Jersey transplants were responsible for the destruction.
Seems that with the European turmoil during the thirties and
fourties,
masses of these East Europeans migrated to New Jersey. Story is most
fished with huge trot lines tied around 55-gallon oil drums. Problem
was, they only ate gefilte fish, so everything else was thrown
overboard
as bycatch. They soon decimated the native Atlantic cod population.

Many of these gefilte specialists then migrated to the DC area to
take
advantage of government jobs. Well, you know what happened next, the
Chesapeake was also devasted by their techniques. With Northern
Altantic
and Chesapeake waters ruined, they then invaded Floriduh. Yep, you
know
it, those waters have now been ruined.

--
Skipper
Anyone who still had doubts whether Skipper was a Jew-hating
slimeball should have doubts no more.
I really don't know if Skipper is an anti-semitic, I do know he
knows what bait to use to get a rise out of the group. The exact
same as jps as his "Affording Fuel" post. Both are nothing more
than trolls looking for a nice long thread.

You really don't know, eh?

Harry,
I find it very hard to believe that anyone could actually believe
anything that Skipper said in this post. For that reason, I believe
it was just a new version of an old bait.

I never "believe" anything Skipper posts about anything, but that's not
the point. The point is not that there was "factual" information in that
last anti-Semitic post of this. The point is that he is posting
anti-Semitic materials.

You know anything about Germany in the 1930s? The German government
posted lots of anti-Semitic materials, and there was nothing to believe
in that material, either. Some people did believe it, though. Oh...and
do you think the Nazis published such material to get a rise out of people?



Skipper has a long history of posting anti-Semitic remarks in this
newsgroup.


The Nazi's were very effective in blaming the Jews for the bad economy,
no one, not even a skinhead is going to believe the Jews are responsible
for overfishing the Atlantic. Heck, I have none many Jews and none of
them enjoyed fishing. Maybe the Jews will blame the overfishing on the
Gentiles.

Seriously, responding to Skipper that his remarks are anti-semitic or
that he is a Jew hating Nazi does nothing to stop the remarks. If you
want to stop them, you just have to ignore them. Even if Skipper is a
Jew Hating Nazi, he would not make the posts if he didn't know it would
get a rise out of you.





I have no illusion about stopping his anti-Semitic remarks, and they
don't get a rise out of me.


Say what??

You are the only one the remarks *did* get a rise from!

He trolled, you bit.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Reggie Smithers January 31st 06 10:03 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:
I have no illusion about stopping his anti-Semitic remarks, and they
don't get a rise out of me. My purpose is to point out that he is a
slime. What anyone does with such information is up to them.

Perhaps you are satisfied drifting through life ignoring that kind of
behavior. So were the "good German people."

Harry,

I ignore what is an obvious troll, because to respond to them encourages
more of the same and does nothing to change anyones opinion. The person
who posts racist or anti-semitic threads, want you to respond, they want
you to perpetuate the thread. It is the reason many trolls will be
cross posted. If you check you will see most of the trolls mention
ni**ers, sp*kes, sp**ks, k*kes, fa**ots, w*ps or any other group they
can think of.

If you prefer to respond and show your disgust with that kind of
behavior feel free, this is a non moderated NG. Also know that that is
exactly what they want, and your response will be responsible for
numerous other posts of the same kind.

This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of 100% of the UseNet Experts.
You will not be able to find 1 UseNet Expert who would recommend
responding to an obvious troll.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

RCE January 31st 06 10:31 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...


If you prefer to respond and show your disgust with that kind of behavior
feel free, this is a non moderated NG. Also know that that is exactly
what they want, and your response will be responsible for numerous other
posts of the same kind.

This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of 100% of the UseNet Experts.
You will not be able to find 1 UseNet Expert who would recommend
responding to an obvious troll.

--
Reggie


Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here. Unfortunately, he has
a dark side, probably a result of his early years of social conditioning
that spoils an otherwise potentially decent person. His bigoted themes are
usually carefully veiled so, taken by themselves can be subject to
interpretation, thus the "trolling" aspect of his posts. Over time however a
trend emerges and there is no longer any doubt as to his intent. His latest
offering was not his best effort ... it left no room for interpretation.

RCE



Reggie Smithers January 31st 06 11:10 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
RCE wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...

If you prefer to respond and show your disgust with that kind of behavior
feel free, this is a non moderated NG. Also know that that is exactly
what they want, and your response will be responsible for numerous other
posts of the same kind.

This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of 100% of the UseNet Experts.
You will not be able to find 1 UseNet Expert who would recommend
responding to an obvious troll.

--
Reggie


Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here. Unfortunately, he has
a dark side, probably a result of his early years of social conditioning
that spoils an otherwise potentially decent person. His bigoted themes are
usually carefully veiled so, taken by themselves can be subject to
interpretation, thus the "trolling" aspect of his posts. Over time however a
trend emerges and there is no longer any doubt as to his intent. His latest
offering was not his best effort ... it left no room for interpretation.

RCE



RCE,

Do you honestly believe that anyone thinks the Jews are responsible for
the overfishing in the oceans? Since Skipper does appear to be of above
average intelligence, I have to believe this was a troll. Either that
or maybe he was at the docks and could tell by the name of the boats
"Oy Vey" "Chalushisdick" "Chutzpah" etc. ; )

Skipper may be an out and out bigot, but this was a troll.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

JohnH January 31st 06 11:47 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:31:37 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...


If you prefer to respond and show your disgust with that kind of behavior
feel free, this is a non moderated NG. Also know that that is exactly
what they want, and your response will be responsible for numerous other
posts of the same kind.

This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of 100% of the UseNet Experts.
You will not be able to find 1 UseNet Expert who would recommend
responding to an obvious troll.

--
Reggie


Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here. Unfortunately, he has
a dark side, probably a result of his early years of social conditioning
that spoils an otherwise potentially decent person. His bigoted themes are
usually carefully veiled so, taken by themselves can be subject to
interpretation, thus the "trolling" aspect of his posts. Over time however a
trend emerges and there is no longer any doubt as to his intent. His latest
offering was not his best effort ... it left no room for interpretation.

RCE


There is a small minority who seem to have one goal, to drag this group
into the gutter.

It's a shame.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Reggie Smithers February 1st 06 12:10 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
I have no illusion about stopping his anti-Semitic remarks, and they
don't get a rise out of me. My purpose is to point out that he is a
slime. What anyone does with such information is up to them.

Perhaps you are satisfied drifting through life ignoring that kind of
behavior. So were the "good German people."

Harry,

I ignore what is an obvious troll, because to respond to them
encourages more of the same and does nothing to change anyones opinion.


I have no interest in changing opinions. But if someone here makes nasty
comments relating to race or religion, I'm going to call them an asshole.

What you do is your business.


Harry,
You have been calling Skipper an asshole for 8 yrs. The ONLY thing it
has done is to encourage more of the same comments. While it is
sometimes hard to figure out Skippers motives, other times it is obvious
a troll and to be honest he knows what bait they are biting.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Bill Kearney February 1st 06 02:38 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
I never "believe" anything Skipper posts about anything,

So set your newsreader to simply ignore his posts! Killfiles work wonders.


Skipper February 1st 06 09:32 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
JohnH wrote:

Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here.
RCE


There is a small minority who seem to have one goal, to drag this group
into the gutter.


It's a shame.


Then I take it you're for a democratically administered and monitored
rec.boats. Or can we count you among the minority preferring continued
anarchy?

--
Skipper

Skipper February 1st 06 09:38 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
RCE wrote:

Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here. Unfortunately, he has
a dark side...


You honestly believe Skipper has been taken over by the dark side?

Over time however a trend emerges and there is no longer any doubt as to his
intent. His latest offering was not his best effort ... it left no room for
interpretation.


How do you think you scored on the SOH meter, Eisbock? Same as before?

--
Skipper

Skipper February 1st 06 09:48 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Reggie Smithers wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


I'm going to call them an asshole. What you do is your business.


Harry,
You have been calling Skipper an asshole for 8 yrs. The ONLY thing it
has done is to encourage more of the same comments. While it is
sometimes hard to figure out Skippers motives, other times it is obvious
a troll and to be honest he knows what bait they are biting.


As the *other* Harry once said, "All I do is tell them the truth and
they call it Hell."

--
Skipper

Don White February 1st 06 09:55 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote:


Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here.
RCE



There is a small minority who seem to have one goal, to drag this group
into the gutter.




It's a shame.



Then I take it you're for a democratically administered and monitored
rec.boats. Or can we count you among the minority preferring continued
anarchy?

--
Skipper


I think it's the majority that reject your monitoring Skippy.

Skipper February 1st 06 10:11 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Don White wrote:

I think it's the majority that reject your monitoring Skippy.


I never proffered being the monitor, Don. I did suggest a committee of
*NG elected* monitors to restore the NG to its previously interesting
open and far more civil format. We would *all* decide just what that
format would be in the month of discussion and voting on the charter. I
suspect the end result would be far less political and flame throwing
threads. Suspect I'd have a far easier time abiding by a responsible NG
charter than you would, however. Some of us would find ourselves
severely challenged if we primarily discussed boats 'n boating, eh, Don?

--
Skipper

Skipper February 1st 06 10:16 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


I'm going to call them an asshole. What you do is your business.


Harry,
You have been calling Skipper an asshole for 8 yrs. The ONLY thing it
has done is to encourage more of the same comments. While it is
sometimes hard to figure out Skippers motives, other times it is obvious
a troll and to be honest he knows what bait they are biting.


As the *other* Harry once said, "All I do is tell them the truth and
they call it Hell."


You dumb ass; you can't even quote HST properly. That's NOT what he said.


Out picking nits in your LobsterHatt again, Harry?

--
Skipper

Skipper February 1st 06 10:19 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


I think it's the majority that reject your monitoring Skippy.


I never proffered being the monitor, Don. I did suggest..."


The only worthwhile suggestion for someone like you is ESAD.


Go take a cold shower, Krause.

--
Skipper

JohnH February 1st 06 10:42 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:32:54 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here.
RCE


There is a small minority who seem to have one goal, to drag this group
into the gutter.


It's a shame.


Then I take it you're for a democratically administered and monitored
rec.boats. Or can we count you among the minority preferring continued
anarchy?


No, I'm for the small minority growing up.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

JohnH February 1st 06 10:46 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:11:30 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Don White wrote:

I think it's the majority that reject your monitoring Skippy.


I never proffered being the monitor, Don. I did suggest a committee of
*NG elected* monitors to restore the NG to its previously interesting
open and far more civil format. We would *all* decide just what that
format would be in the month of discussion and voting on the charter. I
suspect the end result would be far less political and flame throwing
threads. Suspect I'd have a far easier time abiding by a responsible NG
charter than you would, however. Some of us would find ourselves
severely challenged if we primarily discussed boats 'n boating, eh, Don?


Skipper, Chuck posted a challenge that many of us accepted and have tried
to maintain. A few have decided they'd rather sling mud.

Is rec.boats.cruising a 'monitored' group? I think not. Yet they manage
quite well. Why? How often do you see a political/religious thread over
there? How often do you see a political/religious thread here that doesn't
become a name-calling free-for-all.

Monitor yourself. Urge others to monitor themselves.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Skipper February 1st 06 11:11 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Out picking nits in your LobsterHatt again, Harry?


You're misquoting the words of someone significant, dipstick. I know
that probably doesn't mean much to an ill-educated idiot like you, but
it *is* important to be careful with the words of US presidents,
especially the ones who could speak standard English.


I have very little respect for the likes of Truman, Johnson and Carter.
They did great harm to this country, even though they did know what is
is.

--
Skipper

Skipper February 1st 06 11:17 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
JohnH wrote:

Then I take it you're for a democratically administered and monitored
rec.boats. Or can we count you among the minority preferring continued
anarchy?


No, I'm for the small minority growing up.


Do you do your tallying in quantity of posts or contributors?

--
Skipper

Don White February 1st 06 11:21 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


I think it's the majority that reject your monitoring Skippy.



I never proffered being the monitor, Don. I did suggest a committee of
*NG elected* monitors to restore the NG to its previously interesting
open and far more civil format. We would *all* decide just what that
format would be in the month of discussion and voting on the charter. I
suspect the end result would be far less political and flame throwing
threads. Suspect I'd have a far easier time abiding by a responsible NG
charter than you would, however. Some of us would find ourselves
severely challenged if we primarily discussed boats 'n boating, eh, Don?

--
Skipper


I'd probably be reduced to reading and regurgitating other sailors
adventures...such as cruises in exotic locations like.....the Sea of
Cortes etc.

Skipper February 1st 06 11:27 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
JohnH wrote:

Is rec.boats.cruising a 'monitored' group? I think not. Yet they manage
quite well. Why? How often do you see a political/religious thread over
there? How often do you see a political/religious thread here that doesn't
become a name-calling free-for-all.


It just won't work here, John...for many reasons. The only hope for
alt.sailing.asa and this NG is democratic monitoring. Monitors who allow
off-topic, differing views and lively discussions, but keep it within
bounds. I think we all know when it goes to far. Sans monitors, there's
just no reasonable way to bring it back from the small-minded off-topic
chatroom and flamefest it has become.

--
Skipper

RCE February 2nd 06 01:45 AM

Floriduh Fished Out
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
RCE wrote:

Skipper's not your average troll. He often has exhibited a level of
above
average intelligence in some of his posts and has occasionally
contributed
some interesting POVs on subjects kicked around here. Unfortunately, he
has
a dark side...


You honestly believe Skipper has been taken over by the dark side?



Skipper was never taken over. He was always there. Which Skipper are you?


Over time however a trend emerges and there is no longer any doubt as to
his
intent. His latest offering was not his best effort ... it left no room
for
interpretation.


How do you think you scored on the SOH meter, Eisbock? Same as before?

--
Skipper


Sorry. SOH? decipher please. Oh, ... it was Eisboch... not Eisbock.

RCE



JohnH February 2nd 06 08:02 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:27:02 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Is rec.boats.cruising a 'monitored' group? I think not. Yet they manage
quite well. Why? How often do you see a political/religious thread over
there? How often do you see a political/religious thread here that doesn't
become a name-calling free-for-all.


It just won't work here, John...for many reasons. The only hope for
alt.sailing.asa and this NG is democratic monitoring. Monitors who allow
off-topic, differing views and lively discussions, but keep it within
bounds. I think we all know when it goes to far. Sans monitors, there's
just no reasonable way to bring it back from the small-minded off-topic
chatroom and flamefest it has become.


I made no mention of alt.sailing.asa. Never been there. I mentioned
rec.boats.cruising. You've been there. It's not monitored. It doesn't
suffer the problems of this group. Why?

We have a small minority of posters who are trollers. We have a small
minority of posters who can't resist getting hooked.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Skipper February 2nd 06 10:57 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
JohnH wrote:

Skipper wrote:


It just won't work here, John...for many reasons. The only hope for
alt.sailing.asa and this NG is democratic monitoring. Monitors who allow
off-topic, differing views and lively discussions, but keep it within
bounds. I think we all know when it goes to far. Sans monitors, there's
just no reasonable way to bring it back from the small-minded off-topic
chatroom and flamefest it has become.


We have a small minority of posters who are trollers. We have a small
minority of posters who can't resist getting hooked.


Small minority? Actually, it's the *majority* of those still posting to
this NG. I recently polled a sampling of NG regulars, contributors to
other boating NGs, and past rec.boats contributors. The response was
revealing; no current rec.boats posters were in favor of moderating the
flame, almost all past contributors and contributors to other boating
groups favored moderation. When in Rome... And a good Skipper has a
realistic eye to the weather. This and alt.sailing.asa *are* the NGs for
boating trollers. Krause made that happen.

--
Skipper

Don White February 2nd 06 11:26 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Skipper wrote:
JohnH wrote:


Skipper wrote:



It just won't work here, John...for many reasons. The only hope for
alt.sailing.asa and this NG is democratic monitoring. Monitors who allow
off-topic, differing views and lively discussions, but keep it within
bounds. I think we all know when it goes to far. Sans monitors, there's
just no reasonable way to bring it back from the small-minded off-topic
chatroom and flamefest it has become.



We have a small minority of posters who are trollers. We have a small
minority of posters who can't resist getting hooked.



Small minority? Actually, it's the *majority* of those still posting to
this NG. I recently polled a sampling of NG regulars, contributors to
other boating NGs, and past rec.boats contributors. The response was
revealing; no current rec.boats posters were in favor of moderating the
flame, almost all past contributors and contributors to other boating
groups favored moderation. When in Rome... And a good Skipper has a
realistic eye to the weather. This and alt.sailing.asa *are* the NGs for
boating trollers. Krause made that happen.

--
Skipper



So Harry controls your behavior?
What does that say about you?

Skipper February 2nd 06 11:30 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Don White wrote:

Small minority? Actually, it's the *majority* of those still posting to
this NG. I recently polled a sampling of NG regulars, contributors to
other boating NGs, and past rec.boats contributors. The response was
revealing; no current rec.boats posters were in favor of moderating the
flame, almost all past contributors and contributors to other boating
groups favored moderation. When in Rome... And a good Skipper has a
realistic eye to the weather. This and alt.sailing.asa *are* the NGs for
boating trollers. Krause made that happen.


So Harry controls your behavior?
What does that say about you?


That Skipper recognizes a dedicated sycophant when he sees one.

--
Skipper

Don White February 3rd 06 01:03 AM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:


Small minority? Actually, it's the *majority* of those still posting to
this NG. I recently polled a sampling of NG regulars, contributors to
other boating NGs, and past rec.boats contributors. The response was
revealing; no current rec.boats posters were in favor of moderating the
flame, almost all past contributors and contributors to other boating
groups favored moderation. When in Rome... And a good Skipper has a
realistic eye to the weather. This and alt.sailing.asa *are* the NGs for
boating trollers. Krause made that happen.



So Harry controls your behavior?
What does that say about you?



That Skipper recognizes a dedicated sycophant when he sees one.

--
Skipper


Let Skipper speak for himself!

JohnH February 3rd 06 09:50 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:57:19 -0600, Skipper wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Skipper wrote:


It just won't work here, John...for many reasons. The only hope for
alt.sailing.asa and this NG is democratic monitoring. Monitors who allow
off-topic, differing views and lively discussions, but keep it within
bounds. I think we all know when it goes to far. Sans monitors, there's
just no reasonable way to bring it back from the small-minded off-topic
chatroom and flamefest it has become.


We have a small minority of posters who are trollers. We have a small
minority of posters who can't resist getting hooked.


Small minority? Actually, it's the *majority* of those still posting to
this NG. I recently polled a sampling of NG regulars, contributors to
other boating NGs, and past rec.boats contributors. The response was
revealing; no current rec.boats posters were in favor of moderating the
flame, almost all past contributors and contributors to other boating
groups favored moderation. When in Rome... And a good Skipper has a
realistic eye to the weather. This and alt.sailing.asa *are* the NGs for
boating trollers. Krause made that happen.


You made your moderating post in rec.boats.cruising and got laughed out of
the group. Now you're saying 'almost all...contributors...were in favor..."
That's garbage.

There are four or five regular trollers here. I would consider you one of
them. They are certainly not the 'majority'. Most of the trollers are also
the 'hookees', and just keep the crap flowing.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Skipper February 3rd 06 11:10 PM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
JohnH wrote:

You made your moderating (of rec.boats) post in rec.boats.cruising and got laughed out of
the group.


I'll not be posting the emails of support I received from that group to
protect their privacy. Can you point us to a couple posts *from* the
cruising group that back up your claim?

There are four or five regular trollers here. I would consider you one of
them.


Would you care to point us toward a post of yours that would not be
defined as mindless effluent?

--
Skipper

Wayne.B February 4th 06 02:59 AM

Floriduh Fished Out
 
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:10:13 -0600, Skipper wrote:

I'll not be posting the emails of support I received from that group to
protect their privacy. Can you point us to a couple posts *from* the
cruising group that back up your claim?


Perhaps you could summarize the number for us?

I for one vote no. If for no other reason, moderation slows the time
of posting to a crawl. And then every once in a while the moderator
goes missing for some reason, perhaps to actually go boating, and
posting stops altogether until they get back online.

No thanks, reasonable adults should be able to exert a little self
control and peer pressure when needed. And there's always the KF for
the other situations.

My biggest gripe are those who feel obligated to respond to every
troll, no matter how ridiculous, yours included.



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