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The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

--
Skipper

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...
The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

--
Skipper

If you were hugging the coast, then the C-dory TomCat Catamaran would be
great, if you don't sail. Enclosed cabin is 6'5", equipped with galley,
stand up head/shower, and queen size berth. Huge fuel tanks and excellent
range.

-Greg

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:24:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:

The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

22' bayliner.

And for $180,000 you could get, what? 10 - 12 used ones. So you just tow one
behind the other, as they break, you jump in the next one.

Capt. Bill

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:24:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:


The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?


22' bayliner.
With several spare cans of gas, of course.
JR

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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

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A H FOSTER wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:24:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:


The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

22' bayliner.


And for $180,000 you could get, what? 10 - 12 used ones. So you just tow one
behind the other, as they break, you jump in the next one.

Capt. Bill


With Skipper's gimpy knees... he'd need to set up some kind of 'at sea
transfer' system.
http://tinyurl.com/al4cs

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Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:24:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:

The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?


22' bayliner.



As if Snipper could get his hands on $180,000 or financing approval for
that amount...


What do you thing the family farm is worth?

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Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

A H FOSTER wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:24:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:


The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe
and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

22' bayliner.


And for $180,000 you could get, what? 10 - 12 used ones. So you just
tow one behind the other, as they break, you jump in the next one.

Capt.
Bill



With Skipper's gimpy knees... he'd need to set up some kind of 'at sea
transfer' system.
http://tinyurl.com/al4cs



Skipper would be better off with an 18th Century slave ship, so he could
transport all his Jewish and black friends.

That may not seem so crazy after some reflection.
A guy like Skipper (armchair admiral) would be quite at home..barking
sarcastic orders out to a 'captive crew' while he daydreams of leading
great sea adventures in far away lands.
I'm thinking a modern day Capt Bligh sans the seafaring skills.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dene wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message
...
The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

--
Skipper

If you were hugging the coast, then the C-dory TomCat Catamaran would be
great, if you don't sail. Enclosed cabin is 6'5", equipped with galley,
stand up head/shower, and queen size berth. Huge fuel tanks and
excellent
range.

-Greg




If it were my trip, I'd buy airline tickets.

LOL! You owe me a new keyboard!

-Greg

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Harry Krause wrote:

Seriously. If I want to go to Alaska, I'm going there on a commercial
jet. If I want to go boating or fishing while I am there, the old
plastic fantastic in my wallet gets me whatever I want. I enjoy the
destinations, not the trials or tribulations of getting there.

Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.

I couldn't disagree more. A good interesting passage can be the
highlight of the trip. You'll see and experience things those flying 5
miles above will never know.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.

I couldn't disagree more. A good interesting passage can be the
highlight of the trip. You'll see and experience things those flying 5
miles above will never know.

Further, that extends to the water's surface. If you spend all your time
above the surface, you're missing a whole new world.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


Seriously. If I want to go to Alaska, I'm going there on a commercial
jet. If I want to go boating or fishing while I am there, the old
plastic fantastic in my wallet gets me whatever I want. I enjoy the
destinations, not the trials or tribulations of getting there.


Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.


I couldn't disagree more. A good interesting passage can be the
highlight of the trip. You'll see and experience things those flying 5
miles above will never know.

--
Skipper


Those that have never had a boat of their own always make excuses about
why they can't have & certainly those that have never been offshore can
never appreciate the experience.

The usual defense is that they're so clever they don't "want" a boat nor
need the ability to take one somewhere worth while.

It can be scary, wet, cold & plain bloody hard work at times but those
that do it keep coming back for more.

In my younger days I crewed/partnered on many cruising yachts & they
were the best days of a life for me. There were times when I would have
given literally anything to be off the boat "now", other times when
rolling along under a clear starlit night sky, or standing in the
cockpit clapping & cheering as the dolphins do tricks within feet, you
truly feel alive.

Some passages when weather of other all manner of things go wrong you
swear to yourself you'll never ever do it again but ............. within
hours of getting into port you're itching to set off again.

Probably doesn't apply to you Skip but I describe it as like
childbirth:-) it's just astounding how quickly your mind can erase the
bad things if the outcome is overwhelmingly good.

Whatever Skip use a well found sail boat not overly large (35' is
plenty), if it's a slow old girl just take more suppliers, the adventure
will last longer & believe it or not, before you set off you'll be
nervous even scared but that quickly passes till the boat becomes your
complete safe world & as you approach landfall the exact same fears
return at the thought of the trip ending & going ashore.

Don't drive for a couple of days you get attuned to 6kts & it's much
more dangerous than anything on the voyage:-)

K

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:50:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.

Different strokes for different folks but I beg to disagree.

Moderation (and good weather) in all things of course, but for me I
never tire of the constantly changing view, the routine of watch
standing, the marine life, sunset at sea, countless stars against a
perfectly dark sky, sunrise, and eventually landfall.

We did a number of one and two day offshore passages last summer on
our north/south trip and I never tired of any of them. There were
days when we saw so many whales we lost count, and nights with
literally dozens of shooting stars.

To me it just doesn't get any better.

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:21:37 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

even better - with twelve, you could make a catamaran by tying five
per sponson bow to stern, then use some telephone poles to seperate
them, tie the two remaining together - attach to the sponsons -
voila!!

Heck, you could probably rig up a mast for something like that.

a cheap 110' catamaran.

Yeah but what would you do with the extra $179,000 in the budget?

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:24:58 -0600, Skipper wrote:

The requirement: Spec is for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage from Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska to Mazatlan, Mexico
with return via Hawaii. Boat budget is $180,000. Buyer is 6'3". What
boat would YOU recommend for such usage?

http://tinyurl.com/duyhe

(with suitable additional flotation)

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

yeah, but if you had a beautiful gb like wayne has, you would probably
change your mind.

And if you had one of those overly expensive GBs, you'd probably take
the position that it couldn't be done also. The one problem here...is
that it's done all the time.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


yeah, but if you had a beautiful gb like wayne has, you would probably
change your mind.


And if you had one of those overly expensive GBs, you'd probably take
the position that it couldn't be done also. The one problem here...is
that it's done all the time.

--
Skipper

What makes a GB "overly expensive"? YOU can't afford it? Ever heard of
"you get what you pay for"? It applies in this case.

Dan

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"K. Smith" wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.

I couldn't disagree more. A good interesting passage can be the
highlight of the trip. You'll see and experience things those flying 5
miles above will never know.

those that have never been offshore can never appreciate the experience.

In my younger days I crewed/partnered on many cruising yachts & they
were the best days of a life for me.

I too understand the flamers here simply lack the experience or
understanding of the subject and have nothing constructive to add. It's
best just to ignore these trolls.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

And if you had one of those overly expensive GBs, you'd probably take
the position that it couldn't be done also. The one problem here...is
that it's done all the time.

Translation: Skipper can't afford a GB like Wayne's, so to make himself
feel better, he'll knock Wayne's boat as being "overly expensive."

Actually, many builders make similar boats to the ones GB markets. Those
who really know boats know you pay for the name with GBs.

--
Skipper

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:50:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.


Like WayneB, I also disagree.

It may not be your cup of tea, but piloting your own boat, with full
responsibility for navigation, weather watching and decision making plus the
sense of accomplishment for an accurate and safe voyage is far from mindless
and boring.

Plus, there's a serenity yet a mystery to the ocean that's hard to describe
if you are always in sight of land.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:53:50 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Actually, many builders make similar boats to the ones GB markets. Those
who really know boats know you pay for the name with GBs.

==============================================

With used boats or used anything, price is all about supply and
demand. There are always plenty of GBs for sale so we can conclude
the supply is good.

Is it possible that prices are higher because the demand is high?

Take a look at some 20 year old GBs and then take a look at some of
the 20 y/o brand X competition and you will get some inkling of why
that is so. You will need to leave Kansas for this comparison, but
either coast will do.

The GBs are not perfect by any means but the basic structural
components are very high quality and that is why they have outlasted
the others. The appearance and overall design is timeless and very
well balanced also. They turn heads everywhere.

Since mine is parked in front of my office window all week when I'm at
home, appearance definitely counts.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:50:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Nothing is as mindless and boring as days at sea.

Different strokes for different folks but I beg to disagree.

Moderation (and good weather) in all things of course, but for me I
never tire of the constantly changing view, the routine of watch
standing, the marine life, sunset at sea, countless stars against a
perfectly dark sky, sunrise, and eventually landfall.

We did a number of one and two day offshore passages last summer on
our north/south trip and I never tired of any of them. There were
days when we saw so many whales we lost count, and nights with
literally dozens of shooting stars.

To me it just doesn't get any better.

Wayne,
I have to agree, the solitude and beauty of being offshore, makes the
trip part of the adventure.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
************************************************** *************

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:50:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Seriously. If I want to go to Alaska, I'm going there on a commercial
jet. If I want to go boating or fishing while I am there, the old
plastic fantastic in my wallet gets me whatever I want.

Go traveling on credit!? What a maroon.

I've seen scenery
everywhere in the world, and I hope to be going to Kenya later this
year, but I don't plan on roughing it.

Right, right...and I'm going up on the next Space Shuttle.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:54:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Translation: I live in Derby, Kansas, and I've been dreaming of having
easy access to salt-water boating, but I don't have it, so I'll knock
those who do have it and don't make a huge deal about it.

Translation: I don't have a boat, that's why I somehow think boating
in salt water is better than boating in fresh water, so I will knock
those who are flat-fresh-water boaters, and make a big deal about it.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:36:12 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Translation: Skipper can't afford a GB like Wayne's, so to make himself
feel better, he'll knock Wayne's boat as being "overly expensive."

Translation: I cant afford any boat, so I will lie about having one,
and put down those who really do.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:58:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Translation: Skipper can't afford a GB or a GB knock-off.

Translation: I also lie about my life and house.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:49:49 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The idea of driving 1500 miles to get to the
ocean towing a boat would not enter my mind.

That's because you don't have a boat genius.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:10:12 -0500, Netsock wrote:

Right, right...and I'm going up on the next Space Shuttle.

Sooner the better. You're about one post away from the KF.