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Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

--
Skipper

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The only possible answer would be D. When and where did you last splash your
boat, Skipper.
"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

--
Skipper

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Skipper wrote:
Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

--
Skipper

and what do we get if we move to Derby Kansas? oyu are starting to
remind me of the guy in the dodge commercial, trailering a boat in the
middle of what looks like a desert.

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Skipper wrote:
Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

--
Skipper


How's the snow cover out on the back 40?
Expect to have enough runoff come spring planting?

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

quite beyond the fact that this is an obvious troll, the simple truth
is that east coast designed boats are much tougher, more pleasing
lines and dont look like ersatz trawlers or tug boats.

id put a davis design, or a zimmerman, or hinckley or just about any
other east coast design up against those tubs you pretend are
-cruisers- anyday

IMO, you are incorrect on two points. The thread is not a troll, and the
ersatz East Coast designs of Fexas et al. do not hold a candle the
timeless beauty of Monk, Garden, Leishman, and Peterson designs.

--
Skipper

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

id put a davis design, or a zimmerman, or hinckley or just about any
other east coast design up against those tubs you pretend are
-cruisers- anyday

IMO, you are incorrect on two points. The thread is not a troll, and the
ersatz East Coast designs of Fexas et al. do not hold a candle the
timeless beauty of Monk, Garden, Leishman, and Peterson designs.

And BTW, while we're discussing "cruisers", do you truly think Zimmerman
and Davis design better cruisers than those from Leishman? If so, think
again.

--
Skipper

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:58:40 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

quite beyond the fact that this is an obvious troll, the simple truth
is that east coast designed boats are much tougher, more pleasing
lines and dont look like ersatz trawlers or tug boats.

id put a davis design, or a zimmerman, or hinckley or just about any
other east coast design up against those tubs you pretend are
-cruisers- anyday, including those horrible riding barge boat
catamarans that chuck is particularly fond of.

no offense meant chuck - i know you have a job to do. :)

and by the way, i really enjoyed the past issue of or'westin - very
informative.

Thanks for the kind remark about the magazine. We hit 180 pages this
issue, probably the thickest in our 41 year history. Glad you found
something informative in there.

Horrible riding catamarans? Been out on one? I think the ride is one of
their top attributes, at least in our local waters where a moderate but
steep chop seems to be an ever present reality. I know that tales of
running into head seas at full (and reltively fast) cruising speed with
no sign of splashing, slamming, or water on the foredeck sound
incredible- but I've been there, done that, and wrote the T-shirt.

But fear not- I'm just now taking a quick break from a write up about
the new Meridian 391. Went out for a short cruise this morning. I've
got to finish this afternoon because the Canadian magazine goes to
press this weekend, but I'll soon have a report about a good ol'
traditional monohull for everybody to pick apart, cuss, and discuss. :-)

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"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

--
Skipper

East Coast boaters put more mileage on their boats?

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Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:


Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast
boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?


A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.



quite beyond the fact that this is an obvious troll, the simple truth
is that east coast designed boats are much tougher, more pleasing
lines and dont look like ersatz trawlers or tug boats.


id put a davis design, or a zimmerman, or hinckley or just about any
other east coast design up against those tubs you pretend are
-cruisers- anyday


IMO, you are incorrect on two points. The thread is not a troll, and the
ersatz East Coast designs of Fexas et al. do not hold a candle the
timeless beauty of Monk, Garden, Leishman, and Peterson designs.

--
Skipper



This from a guy whose last and only alleged boat was a ...Bayliner?

It was a highly customized Bayliner. Geez....

Dan

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats
of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

quite beyond the fact that this is an obvious troll, the simple truth
is that east coast designed boats are much tougher, more pleasing
lines and dont look like ersatz trawlers or tug boats.

id put a davis design, or a zimmerman, or hinckley or just about any
other east coast design up against those tubs you pretend are
-cruisers- anyday

IMO, you are incorrect on two points. The thread is not a troll, and the
ersatz East Coast designs of Fexas et al. do not hold a candle the
timeless beauty of Monk, Garden, Leishman, and Peterson designs.

--
Skipper


This from a guy whose last and only alleged boat was a ...Bayliner?

Actually, from a guy who made an interesting remark about a month ago
involving "the diamond business", the context of which revealed his thinly
veiled anti-Semitism. Deliver him here. I'll take him fishing. He won't come
back. He's the worst kind of troll.

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Around 1/19/2006 1:37 PM, JIMinFL wrote:

The only possible answer would be D. When and where did you last splash your
boat, Skipper.

"Skipper" wrote in message
...

Select at random 10 pre 1990 East Coast boats and 10 West Coast boats of
similar vintage. Notice how invariably the East Coast boats are more
dilapidated, age stained and grungy. Line them up and realize you can
pretty well determine the East Coast boats from the West Coast boats by
condition alone. Why is this so?

A- The best boat architects are on the West Coast.
B- Most East Coasters simply don't know how to care for their boats.
C- The best built boats are from the West Coast.
D- East Coasters must contend with horrible boating conditions.
E- All of the above.

Obviously a troll, but I'll bite since it's at least on-topic.
Assuming Skippy's premise is accurate (I know, I know; Huge assumption!)...

Well, it can't be A, C, or E: Great boats (and designs) come from all
over the nation and world, nothing region specific.

I'm leaning towards D as well, though it's not so much because of
horrible boating conditions, but extreme boat mooring/storing
conditions. What with the East coast's tendency towards harsh winters,
nasty hurricanes, etc., conditions for boat storage on the West coast
are just milder in general. Bigger boats can be (and are) left in the
water year-round, and trailer boats only need a tarp to keep out the rain.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:17:27 -0800, Garth Almgren wrote:


Well, it can't be A, C, or E: Great boats (and designs) come from all over
the nation and world, nothing region specific.

Ah, but a great boat can be designed for a specific region.

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:16:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


You have to understand a bit about our Snipper. He's a blue-water
wannabe, but without the ability or assets to move to the coast and buy
a decent boat. Thus, he's bitter, and tries to conceal it. Not too well,
though.

LOL! And how much time do you spend on the water Krause?

Ill bet I have more ocean hours that you do.

And at least Skipper has a boat.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:11:14 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Another chapter of Snipper's "Idiot's Delight."

Three words...pot, kettle, black.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:59:24 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Zimmerman doesn't design his hulls. In fact, he doesn't make his hulls.

And where did you find that on the Internet?
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:57:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


This from a guy whose last and only alleged boat was a ...Bayliner?

This from a guy who doesn't even have a boat?
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:46:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Been reading again, eh, Snipper?

Just like your many cut-n-pastes Krause.

What's your current boat?

I believe you last claim was a 65 knot Zimmerman, with a sat-com
downlink, and a GPS that doesn't have the right time, but you can
still use it to trim the boat.

ROTFLMAO!
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:01:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I believe you last claim was a 65 knot Zimmerman, with a sat-com
downlink, and a GPS that doesn't have the right time, but you can
still use it to trim the boat.

ROTFLMAO!


Again, you're wrong. Time for you to pull Maryjane's pigtails, eh?

Both of you guys come off as being 4th graders in a peeing contest.

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

id put a davis design, or a zimmerman, or hinckley or just about any
other east coast design up against those tubs you pretend are
-cruisers- anyday, including those horrible riding barge boat
catamarans that chuck is particularly fond of.


You obviously don't have much time in cruising catamarans,,,The ride is
exceptional. I don't care to own one either, my only multi hulled
anything was a Hobie. I'll stick to my monohull, but there are times
when I would love to have the ride characteristics of a cat...they make
the bump from a sloppy sea practically disappear...

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:22:52 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:01:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I believe you last claim was a 65 knot Zimmerman, with a sat-com
downlink, and a GPS that doesn't have the right time, but you can
still use it to trim the boat.

ROTFLMAO!


Again, you're wrong. Time for you to pull Maryjane's pigtails, eh?

Both of you guys come off as being 4th graders in a peeing contest.

Amen.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:41:31 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


LOL! And how much time do you spend on the water Krause?

Several hundred hours a season.

Liar. You don't spend even 100 hours away from this news group.

We haven't forgot all your "sea going" stories, only to have been
proven impossible after being caught.

That is, of course, why you started marking your posts "x-archive
post-no".

Ill bet I have more ocean hours that you do.

Prove it.

How much you wanna bet, and how shall we handle the transaction?

And at least Skipper has a boat.

Really? What kind of boat does he have? He used to claim he had a
Bayliner, but then he claimed he sold it. So what boat does he have now?

I believe, based on posting from both of you, that one...Skipper has a
boat. I don't know what kind, but I do know he has displayed a working
knowledge of sea experience, and boating.

Two...you have demonstrated that you continually lie about "your"
boats, and know very little about boating in general. Many of your
claims have been proven to be flat out lies. You have been caught
plagiarizing, both, boating related written text, and pictures. And
many times your futile efforts to show that you are boating literate,
only backfire, and show you know nothing. Remember setting your time
with your GPS using the "hundredths of a MPH" statement?

It is for these reasons I know you have no boat.

Why don't you go back to tossing spitballs at Maryjane, little boy?

The 4th grade called...they want their grade school insults back.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:52:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Netsock wrote:
And where did you find that on the Internet?
__


Personal knowledge, obtained from a visit to his yard some years ago,
and telephone conversations with two of his suppliers. As of four or
five years ago, the last time I checked, Zimmerman was known as a
"finisher." That's not a pejorative. He was buying his hulls out of
Maine. He is considered one of the top, if not *the* top, finishers on
the east coast.

Also, the editor and publisher of one of the better boating magazines
done locally owns a Zimmerman 36 and has written extensively about the
builder and his boat. My recollection is that he alluded to the same
details I know regarding the origin of the hulls.

Nicely done...some of your better work. With more practice, you may be
able to convince the newbies, that you do know something about boats.

Ahh, you keep referring to the claim you have seen my house or a photo
of it. Let's see your proof.

Careful Krause...you may get what you ask for someday.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

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Netsock wrote:

Liar. You don't spend even 100 hours away from this news group.

We haven't forgot all your "sea going" stories, only to have been
proven impossible after being caught.

That is, of course, why you started marking your posts "x-archive
post-no".

Just let it go. He's just a troll and not worth it. Let's work to
restore the NG.

--
Skipper

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Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!

Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...

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markvictor wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!


Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...


Deadrise is the angle of the hull at the transom. You can't measure it
at the bottom of the hull.

Dan

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Dan Krueger wrote:
markvictor wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!


Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...


Deadrise is the angle of the hull at the transom. You can't measure it
at the bottom of the hull.

Dan

Sorry Dan, I can't agree with you. Having installed 100+ transducers
on just about every type of hull imaginable, I can tell you without
reserve that you absolutely can measure deadrise angle on the bottom of
the boat, the DIY ers use a level and a framing protractor, or a
level,two straightedges, a calculator,and a little guidance by
Pythagorus...I , on the other hand, use an electronic inclinometer, it
takes all of 2 or 3 seconds...
This is to ensure that the sounder or FF is looking at the bottom under
the boat it is installed on, not 50 ft. to 1 side or the other. When
the deadrise spec. is given for a boat ,it is essentially telling you
how deeply a hull is "Vee'd" You can measure deadrise at the transom,
but this will not always give you the construction specification
deadrise value, rather it will give you the deadrise of the aftermost
portion of your bottom, but regardless, deadrise is your bottom's
angle, not your transom's angle. But you don't need to take my word
for it, here's what the ABYC standard says:

"Deadrise Angle" is the angle, taken at midship, at which the hull
slopes up from the horizontal (e.g., A flat bottom vessel has a
deadrise angle of zero degrees; a high deadrise angle value indicates
a deep V-hull);
Regards,
markv

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On 20 Jan 2006 20:23:12 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:
markvictor wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:

So, have a great day Skipper. I'll think about you as the waves lap
against my 20 degree deadrise transom on my "dilapidated, age stained
and grungy" boat.... and wonder if deadrise on a perpetually dry boat
matters at all!


Your "deadrise" is measured on the bottom of your hull...not the
transom...


Deadrise is the angle of the hull at the transom. You can't measure it
at the bottom of the hull.

Dan

Sorry Dan, I can't agree with you. Having installed 100+ transducers
on just about every type of hull imaginable, I can tell you without
reserve that you absolutely can measure deadrise angle on the bottom of
the boat, the DIY ers use a level and a framing protractor, or a
level,two straightedges, a calculator,and a little guidance by
Pythagorus...I , on the other hand, use an electronic inclinometer, it
takes all of 2 or 3 seconds...
This is to ensure that the sounder or FF is looking at the bottom under
the boat it is installed on, not 50 ft. to 1 side or the other. When
the deadrise spec. is given for a boat ,it is essentially telling you
how deeply a hull is "Vee'd" You can measure deadrise at the transom,
but this will not always give you the construction specification
deadrise value, rather it will give you the deadrise of the aftermost
portion of your bottom, but regardless, deadrise is your bottom's
angle, not your transom's angle. But you don't need to take my word
for it, here's what the ABYC standard says:

"Deadrise Angle" is the angle, taken at midship, at which the hull
slopes up from the horizontal (e.g., A flat bottom vessel has a
deadrise angle of zero degrees; a high deadrise angle value indicates
a deep V-hull);
Regards,
markv

"Midship"! That blows me out of the water. I'd always thought it was
measured at the transom too. Thanks for the enlightenment.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

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"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at stern provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speet, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability..

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"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at the stern
provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speed, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability..

Reply

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"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at the stern
provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speed, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability.

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On 21 Jan 2006 09:31:38 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at stern provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speet, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability..

The definition you provided makes perfect sense! I've just always thought
incorrectly. Thanks for screwing my head on properly.
--
John H

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JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:31:38 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:


"The first part of the answer in determining how deadrise affects
performance is another question: deadrise measured where? If the angle
between a horizontal plane tangent to the keel and the chine is
measured just aft of the bow, most modern boats will measure around
45° or more. If measured just forward of the stern, the deadrise may
be as little as 5°. The days when deep-V hulls carried the same high
angle of deadrise nearly constantly from bow to stern is long gone.
Why? Because they didn't perform very well."

Hey John, this is a pretty fair explanation of the reason for using a
measurement somewhat forward of the transom for a published spec...It's
not so much of an average angle, as it is the angle at the widest
"wetted" area of the hull at speed..the low deadrise at stern provides
stability, especially with engines mounted well aft.. a high angle
carried all the way aft tends to make a boat "porpoise" at speed...too
low an angle causes instability when turning at speet, too rapid a
transition and you get a boat that meanders at low speed, and can
develop low pressure areas at speed that can negate lift or planing
ability..


The definition you provided makes perfect sense! I've just always thought
incorrectly. Thanks for screwing my head on properly.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Evidently deadrise must only refer to the angle of the hull at no
specific point. Every spec I've read in new boat catalogs reference the
"deadrise at transom". This definition agrees:

http://www.boats.com/glossary/D.jsp

There are others that refer to the widest part of the boat. I guess the
moral of this story is no one can simply refer to "deadrise" without
adding the point on the hull where it was measured.

Dan

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:07:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


"This" newsgroup would be farther on the road to restoration if you,

We wouldn't have to be restoring it, if it wasn't for the likes of
you.

Netsock, Smither, and a few others would simply crawl back into your
caves of origin. You haven't added anything new, original, or of value
since you were released from custody.

Funny. You are by far the number one person, who has contaminated this
group with OT garbage, political rants, insults, and lies.

If you really care about this group, YOU crawl back under that rock
you came out of.
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"This" newsgroup would be farther on the road to restoration if you,


Netsock wrote:
We wouldn't have to be restoring it, if it wasn't for the likes of
you.


Why can't you just ignore him?

Harry is certainly a PITA but he's just one guy. Also, he
occasionally posts about boats, which more than can be said
of many of the fascist cretins obsessed with him.

Then you go tossing personal barbs at Chuck, even going so
far as to insult his wife.

Are you proud of that?

DSK

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:10:14 -0500, DSK wrote:


Why can't you just ignore him?

I can. In fact, Our Klass Klown Krause, is just a couple steps away
from going back in the Krazy Kan.

Harry is certainly a PITA but he's just one guy. Also, he
occasionally posts about boats, which more than can be said
of many of the fascist cretins obsessed with him.

Krause is a liar...plain and simple. And his plagiarized boating posts
don't even come close to offset his spewage ratio.

Then you go tossing personal barbs at Chuck, even going so
far as to insult his wife.

Are you proud of that?

Sorry sport...you've got me confused with some one else.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

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Netsock wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:07:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


"This" newsgroup would be farther on the road to restoration if you,

We wouldn't have to be restoring it, if it wasn't for the likes of
you.

Netsock, Smither, and a few others would simply crawl back into your
caves of origin. You haven't added anything new, original, or of value
since you were released from custody.

Funny. You are by far the number one person, who has contaminated this
group with OT garbage, political rants, insults, and lies.

If you really care about this group, YOU crawl back under that rock
you came out of.
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/
Netsock,
By paying him attention or even responding to him, you are giving him
exactly what he wants,

Ignore him, even if he makes insults or trolls for arguments and fights.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:49:23 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Deadrise can be measured at the transom, too. OR just about anywhere
along the hull bottom. Traditionally, if the transom deadrise is not
wanted, it is measured at the beamiest part of the boat, typically
amidships.

Somebody has been pokin' around on the net again...
__

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."

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Netsock wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Deadrise can be measured at the transom, too. OR just about anywhere
along the hull bottom.

Somebody has been pokin' around on the net again...

Krause *is* the jerk bait of this NG.

--
Skipper