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My first boat show
I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend
the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. Discussion??? As I mentioned, the other boat that impressed us was the C-dory Tom Cat, a 25 foot trailerable cruiser. Very roomy design. Built like a tank. Well suited for all weather boating and fishing. In a few years, when we do the Alaska inland passage, that will be the boat of choice for us. The Glacier Bay 30 footer will work fine for the Great Loop. Fun to dream!!! -Greg |
My first boat show
Dene wrote: I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. Discussion??? As I mentioned, the other boat that impressed us was the C-dory Tom Cat, a 25 foot trailerable cruiser. Very roomy design. Built like a tank. Well suited for all weather boating and fishing. In a few years, when we do the Alaska inland passage, that will be the boat of choice for us. The Glacier Bay 30 footer will work fine for the Great Loop. Fun to dream!!! -Greg I've written about both of those boats in the last few months. That Tom Cat has a remarkable amount of space for a 25-foot trailer boat, and putting the standard C-Dory house on the cat hull made a huge improvement over the same firm's previous catamaran. And how many 25-foot boats can offer a 70-sq ft berth and an enclosed, stand-up head and shower? (Not all, not by a long shot). If you get serious about the Glacier Bay, there's a new dealer in Portland- Aman Marine. See if you can get out for a sea trial, preferably on a day when it's at least a little snarly and choppy. You'll be impressed, or not- but there's no chance you'll confuse it with a typical monohull experience in the same conditions. If I ever switch boats it would be to another trawler, but it is easy to see why the number of people who are excited about catamarans continues to slowly, (but steadily), increase. |
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My first boat show
wrote in message oups.com... I've written about both of those boats in the last few months. That Tom Cat has a remarkable amount of space for a 25-foot trailer boat, and putting the standard C-Dory house on the cat hull made a huge improvement over the same firm's previous catamaran. And how many 25-foot boats can offer a 70-sq ft berth and an enclosed, stand-up head and shower? (Not all, not by a long shot). True....but it could be more female-friendly, with some nice touches typical on most cruisers. That's one thing Glacier Bay does with their designs. If you get serious about the Glacier Bay, there's a new dealer in Portland- Aman Marine. See if you can get out for a sea trial, preferably on a day when it's at least a little snarly and choppy. You'll be impressed, or not- but there's no chance you'll confuse it with a typical monohull experience in the same conditions. If I ever switch boats it would be to another trawler, but it is easy to see why the number of people who are excited about catamarans continues to slowly, (but steadily), increase. Met the head salesguy. Very impressed with their professionalism. He was the one who went through the design specs of their new 30 footer. One thing Chuck, why another trawler? If you can acquire the stability and room of a trawler and the speed of a monohull, why not own a cat? Seems you get the best of both worlds, aside from price? -Greg |
My first boat show
Dene wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I've written about both of those boats in the last few months. That Tom Cat has a remarkable amount of space for a 25-foot trailer boat, and putting the standard C-Dory house on the cat hull made a huge improvement over the same firm's previous catamaran. And how many 25-foot boats can offer a 70-sq ft berth and an enclosed, stand-up head and shower? (Not all, not by a long shot). True....but it could be more female-friendly, with some nice touches typical on most cruisers. That's one thing Glacier Bay does with their designs. If you get serious about the Glacier Bay, there's a new dealer in Portland- Aman Marine. See if you can get out for a sea trial, preferably on a day when it's at least a little snarly and choppy. You'll be impressed, or not- but there's no chance you'll confuse it with a typical monohull experience in the same conditions. If I ever switch boats it would be to another trawler, but it is easy to see why the number of people who are excited about catamarans continues to slowly, (but steadily), increase. Met the head salesguy. Very impressed with their professionalism. He was the one who went through the design specs of their new 30 footer. One thing Chuck, why another trawler? If you can acquire the stability and room of a trawler and the speed of a monohull, why not own a cat? Seems you get the best of both worlds, aside from price? -Greg If I were ever to change boats, it would be to another trawler. I have no personal use for a lot of speed, and I think that cruising 8-9 kts is sort of a relaxed, almost natural pace. Taking one very long day or two shorter days to get from Seattle to the San Juan Islands creates a sense of distance and removal that a 3-hour sprint in a faster boat could never accomplish. Then there's just enough Scot in my bloodlines that I do enjoy getting 4 nmpg, especially at the current and probably future prices for fuel. There was a point in my life where I could easily have taken up sailing, rather than powerboating, but my wife, (with two toddling kids at the time), decreed that if we were going to resume the boating activity I had enjoyed while growing up she would insist on a warm, dry "house" on the boat where she and the kids could stay out of the weather and out of harm's way. I adpoted a lot of my boating "attitudes" if you will from my Grandfather, who graduated from the Royal Naval Hospital School at Greenwich and served on destroyer escorts in WWI. Just after the turn of the 20th Century, British naval officers were still expected to demonstrate many of the abilities required to command a ship under sail- although pretty much the last of the British sail fleet had been retired decades earlier. Grandpa was a consumate salt who could almost turn a sailboat into a living being. Since I'm not ever going to be a sailor myself, I guess I perceive trawlers as among the most traditional powerboats, and if grandpa were here today he'd be less ashamed of his stink-potting grandson in his 8 kt trawler than he would be if I were planing along at "way too fast". :-) So, as you see, the answer is strictly one of personal preferance. I am open minded enough to appreciate that other people come to boating looking for things that are entirely different than what I personally value, and I can enjoy a variety of boating experiences and appreciate the unique aspects of all of them without having to judge every boat based on how similar or dissimilar to my personally favorite category (the trawler) it might be. For a beamy layout on the main deck, very civilized performance in a 2-4 foot choppy Puget Sound sort of seas (head seas most particularly), reasonable speed and fuel economy, a catamaran will meet or exceed a lot of peoples' expectations. If I weren't a trawler boater, I could easily imagine having a power cat among choices on a future "short list". If. |
My first boat show
Dene wrote: I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. Discussion??? As I mentioned, the other boat that impressed us was the C-dory Tom Cat, a 25 foot trailerable cruiser. Very roomy design. Built like a tank. Well suited for all weather boating and fishing. In a few years, when we do the Alaska inland passage, that will be the boat of choice for us. The Glacier Bay 30 footer will work fine for the Great Loop. Fun to dream!!! -Greg It remains to be seen if the composite outdrive works, but if it does, it solves two of the biggest problems with them, corrosion of the outdrive when exposure to salt water and, even worse, electrolysis. On larger boats, where the outdrive cannot be easily examined while the boat is in the water, and AC power on the boat is a common thing, it's not much fun to find your outdrives are eaten away when the boat is hauled in the fall. I knew someone that this happened to, he needed two new outdrives, he was not happy to say the least. The boat next to him had a bonding problem, but never admitted it, that was his one and only year in that marina. |
My first boat show
wrote in message oups.com... If I were ever to change boats, it would be to another trawler. I have no personal use for a lot of speed, and I think that cruising 8-9 kts is sort of a relaxed, almost natural pace. Taking one very long day or two shorter days to get from Seattle to the San Juan Islands creates a sense of distance and removal that a 3-hour sprint in a faster boat could never accomplish. Then there's just enough Scot in my bloodlines that I do enjoy getting 4 nmpg, especially at the current and probably future prices for fuel. There was a point in my life where I could easily have taken up sailing, rather than powerboating, but my wife, (with two toddling kids at the time), decreed that if we were going to resume the boating activity I had enjoyed while growing up she would insist on a warm, dry "house" on the boat where she and the kids could stay out of the weather and out of harm's way. I adpoted a lot of my boating "attitudes" if you will from my Grandfather, who graduated from the Royal Naval Hospital School at Greenwich and served on destroyer escorts in WWI. Just after the turn of the 20th Century, British naval officers were still expected to demonstrate many of the abilities required to command a ship under sail- although pretty much the last of the British sail fleet had been retired decades earlier. Grandpa was a consumate salt who could almost turn a sailboat into a living being. Since I'm not ever going to be a sailor myself, I guess I perceive trawlers as among the most traditional powerboats, and if grandpa were here today he'd be less ashamed of his stink-potting grandson in his 8 kt trawler than he would be if I were planing along at "way too fast". :-) So, as you see, the answer is strictly one of personal preferance. I am open minded enough to appreciate that other people come to boating looking for things that are entirely different than what I personally value, and I can enjoy a variety of boating experiences and appreciate the unique aspects of all of them without having to judge every boat based on how similar or dissimilar to my personally favorite category (the trawler) it might be. For a beamy layout on the main deck, very civilized performance in a 2-4 foot choppy Puget Sound sort of seas (head seas most particularly), reasonable speed and fuel economy, a catamaran will meet or exceed a lot of peoples' expectations. If I weren't a trawler boater, I could easily imagine having a power cat among choices on a future "short list". If. Well said. Makes perfect sense. Ironically, I started out on summer ski boats and find it difficult to cruise under 20 knots. Last summer, took my first sail with a pal of mine. Nice....but no desire. I like to get to my destination and then lay around. Different strokes. BTW....spent half the night trying to figure out how to finance a TomCat. I'm 6 foot. The idea of weekend cruising without the backache associated with my 25' pocket cruiser is sorely tempting. Perhaps I could get Dr's orders. ; Even better.....find a used one. -Greg |
My first boat show
"Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. Discussion??? As I mentioned, the other boat that impressed us was the C-dory Tom Cat, a 25 foot trailerable cruiser. Very roomy design. Built like a tank. Well suited for all weather boating and fishing. In a few years, when we do the Alaska inland passage, that will be the boat of choice for us. The Glacier Bay 30 footer will work fine for the Great Loop. Fun to dream!!! The Glacier Bay 34 is a beautiful boat. It somehow manages to capture that "yacht" feel in an outboard powered catamaran. |
My first boat show
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. I agree. They are a PITA maintenance wise. But sometimes you have no choice. |
My first boat show
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? |
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I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid
outdrives. I'm not sure I could come up with that many, but the few I know are pretty strong. JimH wrote: I agree. They are a PITA maintenance wise. But sometimes you have no choice. That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. It's like drinking "lite" beer. OTOH there are an awful lot of these boats out there, so I'm glad some people will buy them or the market would collapse. DSK |
My first boat show
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. I agree. They are a PITA maintenance wise. But sometimes you have no choice. Sure you do. You can buy a boat that doesn't incorporate outdrives. Nope, not always true. Some styles or makes come only with I/O's. |
My first boat show
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. It's like drinking "lite" beer. or canadian beer for that matter. but i thought you were gonna move to canada? what will you drink when you get there? |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have I/O's. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing. |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have I/O's. If my Proline doesn't last until I die, I will have an outboard on my next boat. Unless bassie and I get rich and I get this: http://www.grandbanks.com/yachts/her...cl/gallery.cfm -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:33:26 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing. I don't think we have muskrats, yet. Luckily my boat doesn't stay in the water, so several of the reasons not to own an outdrive don't apply. -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. It's like drinking "lite" beer. or canadian beer for that matter. You couldn't handle 'Canadian beer'! |
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DownTime wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. It's like drinking "lite" beer. or canadian beer for that matter. but i thought you were gonna move to canada? what will you drink when you get there? Sasparalla! |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have I/O's. If my Proline doesn't last until I die, I will have an outboard on my next boat. Unless bassie and I get rich and I get this: http://www.grandbanks.com/yachts/her...cl/gallery.cfm -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** Don't you have an outboard now? I agree that an inboard or outboard is the way to go in salt water. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing. That's one kind of muskrat fun, eh? The fun was running out there with my pellet gun each morning trying to shoot the muskrat. But they're amazingly quick, and I never was able to hit him. My neighbor finally put an end to it with a 12-ga. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message .net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing. That's one kind of muskrat fun, eh? The fun was running out there with my pellet gun each morning trying to shoot the muskrat. But they're amazingly quick, and I never was able to hit him. My neighbor finally put an end to it with a 12-ga. We had them at our old marina before they put in new retaining walls. No problem with them and no damage to our outdrives even though on of thier holes was right behind our boat. |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:07:11 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** You store your boat on the hard between uses, and several of the deadly reasons not to own an I/O apply less to you. Absolutely! I escape only those reasons having to do with leaving the outdrive in the water for extended periods of time! BTW, I just put a couple of woodpecker pics on abpso. Trying to get those guys to pose for the camera is a bear! These are crops, about one quarter size of the original. It'll give an idea of what the D200 will do in the hands of a beginning amateur. -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:11:47 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have I/O's. If my Proline doesn't last until I die, I will have an outboard on my next boat. Unless bassie and I get rich and I get this: http://www.grandbanks.com/yachts/her...cl/gallery.cfm -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** Don't you have an outboard now? I agree that an inboard or outboard is the way to go in salt water. No, the 1997 Proline 21'er came with the 5.7L Mercruiser. The newer ones are outboards, and I didn't know about all the reasons for not having an outdrive when I bought this one. Now that I'm a member of rec.boats, I've learned all this good stuff! -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? That depends. Do you have muskrats by you? A damn muskrat nearly sunk my dad's boat when it chewed a hole in that rubber housing. That's one kind of muskrat fun, eh? Maybe it as lookin' for a little Muskrat Love aka Captain & Tenille |
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I was under the impression that the drives are metal but covered with a
composite material. No? Butch "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. Discussion??? As I mentioned, the other boat that impressed us was the C-dory Tom Cat, a 25 foot trailerable cruiser. Very roomy design. Built like a tank. Well suited for all weather boating and fishing. In a few years, when we do the Alaska inland passage, that will be the boat of choice for us. The Glacier Bay 30 footer will work fine for the Great Loop. Fun to dream!!! The Glacier Bay 34 is a beautiful boat. It somehow manages to capture that "yacht" feel in an outboard powered catamaran. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:07:11 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:21:44 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Dene" wrote in message ... I've owned a boat for 20+ years and yet this was the first time I've attend the Portland Boat Show. Impressions..... 1. We own a 25 foot pocket cruiser ('96 Starcraft 2531). After walking through various 25 footers, we were relieved to find none as suitable as the one we have. Our aft sleeping berth is the best design and size. Whew! 2. The two boats that impressed us most were the 34 foot Glacier Bay Catamarin and the 25' C-Dory Tom Cat. Regarding the former, it had beautiful workmanship and design. My wife was so impressed that ended up going through it three times. However, the new 30 footer they have coming will be even better (for us) at 150k less. One reason is the placement of the galley....up on the main deck instead of stuffed below. This allows my wife to be up at all times. The only reason to go below is to use the head or sleep in the roomy queen size berth. The sales guy mentioned that Glacier Bay is putting 190 hp Volvo diesels in it, with COMPOSITE outdrive. Supposedly far superior than metal. My neighbor has composite drives on a 35' Regal. He wrapped a rope that was hanging from his dingy around the prop while cruising, and it cracked the lower drive unit. I'll stick with metal. I don't think I could come up with more than a dozen reasons to avoid outdrives. You mean besides the fact that there's just a piece of black rubber (that must remain completely pliable and flex with the drives) between you and the bottom of the Atlantic? Was that meant to inspire confidence in my boat? -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** You store your boat on the hard between uses, and several of the deadly reasons not to own an I/O apply less to you. Absolutely! I escape only those reasons having to do with leaving the outdrive in the water for extended periods of time! BTW, I just put a couple of woodpecker pics on abpso. Trying to get those guys to pose for the camera is a bear! These are crops, about one quarter size of the original. It'll give an idea of what the D200 will do in the hands of a beginning amateur. -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** We get them also with the identical setup you have....a wire cage with suet inside. Something managed to steal the whole damn set up........we had it hanging near our kitchen window on the branch of a large bush that would not support even the squirrels around here and no other way to get to it for land creatures. I look around the whole yard lo I don't know what it was, but it was smart, big (to take the whole cage and food)........................and awful hungry. I will buy another one this weekend and secure it a little bit better. ;-) |
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re the D200 You'd like this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d200.htm
re the D-Dory...these guys ought to know something.. http://www.c-brats.com/ -- RichG manager, Carolina Skiff Owners Group on MSN http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:14:39 GMT, "RichG"
wrote: re the D200 You'd like this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d200.htm re the D-Dory...these guys ought to know something.. http://www.c-brats.com/ He likes the D200 almost as much as I do! -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
My first boat show
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:11:47 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:28:06 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:35:35 -0500, DSK wrote: That's right, there are really so few different makes & models of boats on the market nowadays. That fit *my* wants and needs.......yes..............and they all have I/O's. If my Proline doesn't last until I die, I will have an outboard on my next boat. Unless bassie and I get rich and I get this: http://www.grandbanks.com/yachts/her...cl/gallery.cfm -- John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** Don't you have an outboard now? I agree that an inboard or outboard is the way to go in salt water. No, the 1997 Proline 21'er came with the 5.7L Mercruiser. The newer ones are outboards, and I didn't know about all the reasons for not having an outdrive when I bought this one. Now that I'm a member of rec.boats, I've learned all this good stuff! -- John H Interesting. I have the 5.7 on my 25' Starcraft. Dream boat, 25' TomCat will definitely have outboards, both by design and desire. I love the simplicity and silence. -Greg |
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