Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

Shipping companies say the area has overtaken those traditionally
plagued by piracy such as the Straits of Malacca in south east Asia.

The pirates generally use speedboats to steal trading goods or food aid
- sometimes impounding ships and crew at gunpoint and then demanding
ransoms before they are released.

Somali clan leaders have just signed an agreement to try to end over two
decades of factional fighting in the country - and they say they have
also made attempts to address the piracy problem.

But the high level of lawlessness off the long eastern Somali coastline
reflects the level of chaos there has been on the ground in the country
for more than a generation.

The problem does not affect the northern coast of the self-proclaimed
and more stable Somaliland as much.

Shipping companies grouped under the International Maritime Bureau (a
branch of the International Chamber of Commerce) say there have been 35
incidents of piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia in the past
nine months.

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4584878.stm
for the rest of the article.
--
Reggie
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.


sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

I think that will soon become the solution, either by the shipping
companies or the military.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *********************
If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
************************************************** *********************

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:08:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

That's my thought. A couple .50 cal machine guns would do nicely to solve
this problem. They could probably be had pretty cheaply from Army surplus.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:08:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

That's my thought. A couple .50 cal machine guns would do nicely to solve
this problem. They could probably be had pretty cheaply from Army surplus.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Is a discussion about machine guns more appropriate at
rec.machineguns.armysurplus?

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

has anyone ever been involved in anything closely resembling piracy in
or near U.S. waters? I have heard stories, altho unconfirmed of problems
in the area between the Bahamas and Cuba, territorial disputes, rogue
miltary actions, etc. but i have never really witnessed anything like this.

i've met a few charter captains(primary extended dive and or fish
charters in SW Florida or Bahamas) who said they 'have something'
aboard, and they have also indicated many others do as well, but it is
not something they really advertise.

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:11:38 -0500, Reggie Smithers wrote:


sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

I think that will soon become the solution, either by the shipping
companies or the military.

It already has come to that. Many shipping companies are hiring armed
guards, among other preventative measures.

http://wwwarc.murdoch.edu.au/wp/wp120.pdf

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:35 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:08:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

That's my thought. A couple .50 cal machine guns would do nicely to solve
this problem. They could probably be had pretty cheaply from Army surplus.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Is a discussion about machine guns more appropriate at
rec.machineguns.armysurplus?


The discussion was about the hazards of boating off the coast of Somalia.

I can understand your being upset with the machine gun post if you missed
the earlier posts in the thread. I apologize, again, if that was the case
and I somehow offended you.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:35 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:08:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

That's my thought. A couple .50 cal machine guns would do nicely to
solve
this problem. They could probably be had pretty cheaply from Army
surplus.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Is a discussion about machine guns more appropriate at
rec.machineguns.armysurplus?


The discussion was about the hazards of boating off the coast of Somalia.

I can understand your being upset with the machine gun post if you missed
the earlier posts in the thread. I apologize, again, if that was the case
and I somehow offended you.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John, my post was an attempt at humor and to bring attention to the
inconsistent rules in this new and improved NG.

What I think about the new and improved NG:

I appreciate the new tone. However, I think that everyone needs to step
back and stop the netcopping (as I have been guilty of in the past, and
perhaps am guilty of with this post). I think folks should be allowed to
post whatever they want to. I think that folks should take it upon
themselves to decide what discussions they want to participate in. I think
some folks here need to remain consistent on what they find acceptable and
not acceptable here (I know I do).

What do you think?

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:50:43 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:35 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:08:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

That's my thought. A couple .50 cal machine guns would do nicely to
solve
this problem. They could probably be had pretty cheaply from Army
surplus.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Is a discussion about machine guns more appropriate at
rec.machineguns.armysurplus?


The discussion was about the hazards of boating off the coast of Somalia.

I can understand your being upset with the machine gun post if you missed
the earlier posts in the thread. I apologize, again, if that was the case
and I somehow offended you.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John, my post was an attempt at humor and to bring attention to the
inconsistent rules in this new and improved NG.

What I think about the new and improved NG:

I appreciate the new tone. However, I think that everyone needs to step
back and stop the netcopping (as I have been guilty of in the past, and
perhaps am guilty of with this post). I think folks should be allowed to
post whatever they want to. I think that folks should take it upon
themselves to decide what discussions they want to participate in. I think
some folks here need to remain consistent on what they find acceptable and
not acceptable here (I know I do).

What do you think?



How many times are you going to ask me this question? I think I've seen it
in about ten, or more, threads. What is your point in the repetition? I
answered it the first time I saw it!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

DownTime wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

has anyone ever been involved in anything closely resembling piracy in
or near U.S. waters? I have heard stories, altho unconfirmed of problems
in the area between the Bahamas and Cuba, territorial disputes, rogue
miltary actions, etc. but i have never really witnessed anything like this.

i've met a few charter captains(primary extended dive and or fish
charters in SW Florida or Bahamas) who said they 'have something'
aboard, and they have also indicated many others do as well, but it is
not something they really advertise.

I used to carry a firearm on board when I went offshore fishing in
Florida, because there were tales of piracy. But I never had any
problems with suchlike.

Do you know what the rule is for having a firearm on a boat in the bay?
When boarded by the CG a few years ago, that was there first question. They
asked if I had any weapons on board, I looked at my fishing box and asked
if knives counted. They didn't laugh.

Suppose I'd had a pistol in the cabin. Would that have been a violation of
some law?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

My guess is that the rules for "carrying" a loaded handgun on a boat in
Maryland waters is the same as "carrying" anywhere else in the state:
you need a carry permit. On land, without a permit, you can transport an
unloaded handgun to a dealer's, from a dealer's, to a range, et cetera.


this past summer while scoping out some secret lobster holes 'out of
season', i was stopped and the crew checked all the usual safety stuff.
the dive flag i had up, we were just snorkeling, but still people in the
water, was not the appropriate size. i had the full sized one on hand,
just not up. i got a warning for that.

i had mentioned to the officer in charge when he asked for the
registration, flares, etc. "i have a handgun in that same bag" well
before i even made amove towards the boat bag. they didn't seem to
flinch or care, or maybe i was being watched more carefully and did not
notice. i do have a carry permit, so i have nothing to worry about
there, but afterwards is not the time to give them an 'i told you so'
defene.

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:07:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

DownTime wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.
has anyone ever been involved in anything closely resembling piracy in
or near U.S. waters? I have heard stories, altho unconfirmed of problems
in the area between the Bahamas and Cuba, territorial disputes, rogue
miltary actions, etc. but i have never really witnessed anything like this.

i've met a few charter captains(primary extended dive and or fish
charters in SW Florida or Bahamas) who said they 'have something'
aboard, and they have also indicated many others do as well, but it is
not something they really advertise.
I used to carry a firearm on board when I went offshore fishing in
Florida, because there were tales of piracy. But I never had any
problems with suchlike.

Do you know what the rule is for having a firearm on a boat in the bay?
When boarded by the CG a few years ago, that was there first question. They
asked if I had any weapons on board, I looked at my fishing box and asked
if knives counted. They didn't laugh.

Suppose I'd had a pistol in the cabin. Would that have been a violation of
some law?



My guess is that the rules for "carrying" a loaded handgun on a boat in
Maryland waters is the same as "carrying" anywhere else in the state:
you need a carry permit. On land, without a permit, you can transport an
unloaded handgun to a dealer's, from a dealer's, to a range, et cetera.

OK, that makes sense. Thanks.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:24:50 GMT, DownTime
wrote:

My guess is that the rules for "carrying" a loaded handgun on a boat in
Maryland waters is the same as "carrying" anywhere else in the state:
you need a carry permit. On land, without a permit, you can transport an
unloaded handgun to a dealer's, from a dealer's, to a range, et cetera.


this past summer while scoping out some secret lobster holes 'out of
season', i was stopped and the crew checked all the usual safety stuff.
the dive flag i had up, we were just snorkeling, but still people in the
water, was not the appropriate size. i had the full sized one on hand,
just not up. i got a warning for that.

i had mentioned to the officer in charge when he asked for the
registration, flares, etc. "i have a handgun in that same bag" well
before i even made amove towards the boat bag. they didn't seem to
flinch or care, or maybe i was being watched more carefully and did not
notice. i do have a carry permit, so i have nothing to worry about
there, but afterwards is not the time to give them an 'i told you so'
defene.

Did they ask for a permit?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

" JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:45:35 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudadATyahooDOT com
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:08:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:41:41 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Somali piracy is worst in world
By Mark Doyle
BBC World Affairs Correspondent

The Seabourne Sprint, which escaped an attack off the Somali coast on
Saturday
This luxury cruise liner was attacked by pirates two months ago
An increase in piracy off the Indian Ocean coast of Somalia has made
these waters the most dangerous for pirate activities in the world.

sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

That's my thought. A couple .50 cal machine guns would do nicely to
solve
this problem. They could probably be had pretty cheaply from Army
surplus.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Is a discussion about machine guns more appropriate at
rec.machineguns.armysurplus?


The discussion was about the hazards of boating off the coast of Somalia.

I can understand your being upset with the machine gun post if you missed
the earlier posts in the thread. I apologize, again, if that was the case
and I somehow offended you.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John, my post was an attempt at humor and to bring attention to the
inconsistent rules in this new and improved NG.

What I think about the new and improved NG:

I appreciate the new tone. However, I think that everyone needs to step
back and stop the netcopping (as I have been guilty of in the past, and
perhaps am guilty of with this post). I think folks should be allowed to
post whatever they want to. I think that folks should take it upon
themselves to decide what discussions they want to participate in. I
think
some folks here need to remain consistent on what they find acceptable and
not acceptable here (I know I do).

What do you think?




It is boating equipment in this case.

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

DownTime wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

has anyone ever been involved in anything closely resembling piracy in
or near U.S. waters? I have heard stories, altho unconfirmed of problems
in the area between the Bahamas and Cuba, territorial disputes, rogue
miltary actions, etc. but i have never really witnessed anything like
this.

i've met a few charter captains(primary extended dive and or fish
charters in SW Florida or Bahamas) who said they 'have something'
aboard, and they have also indicated many others do as well, but it is
not something they really advertise.

I used to carry a firearm on board when I went offshore fishing in
Florida, because there were tales of piracy. But I never had any
problems with suchlike.

Do you know what the rule is for having a firearm on a boat in the bay?
When boarded by the CG a few years ago, that was there first question.
They
asked if I had any weapons on board, I looked at my fishing box and asked
if knives counted. They didn't laugh.

Suppose I'd had a pistol in the cabin. Would that have been a violation of
some law?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

I think they just do not want to be surprised.

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:00 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

DownTime wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

has anyone ever been involved in anything closely resembling piracy in
or near U.S. waters? I have heard stories, altho unconfirmed of
problems
in the area between the Bahamas and Cuba, territorial disputes, rogue
miltary actions, etc. but i have never really witnessed anything like
this.

i've met a few charter captains(primary extended dive and or fish
charters in SW Florida or Bahamas) who said they 'have something'
aboard, and they have also indicated many others do as well, but it is
not something they really advertise.

I used to carry a firearm on board when I went offshore fishing in
Florida, because there were tales of piracy. But I never had any
problems with suchlike.

Do you know what the rule is for having a firearm on a boat in the bay?
When boarded by the CG a few years ago, that was there first question.
They
asked if I had any weapons on board, I looked at my fishing box and
asked
if knives counted. They didn't laugh.

Suppose I'd had a pistol in the cabin. Would that have been a violation
of
some law?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

I think they just do not want to be surprised.



At Neah Bay Wa, fishermen often carry a handgun or .410 shotgun to kill
large halibut before bringing them in the boat. Doesn't seem to be a concern
of the Coasties. Just don't take em into Canadian waters! They get real
touchie!
Gordon

Be careful next time you are boating in Somali
 

"Gordon" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:56:00 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

DownTime wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
sink a few of these boats and leave the survivors for the hammerhead
sharks - that should solve the problem quickly.

has anyone ever been involved in anything closely resembling piracy
in
or near U.S. waters? I have heard stories, altho unconfirmed of
problems
in the area between the Bahamas and Cuba, territorial disputes, rogue
miltary actions, etc. but i have never really witnessed anything like
this.

i've met a few charter captains(primary extended dive and or fish
charters in SW Florida or Bahamas) who said they 'have something'
aboard, and they have also indicated many others do as well, but it
is
not something they really advertise.

I used to carry a firearm on board when I went offshore fishing in
Florida, because there were tales of piracy. But I never had any
problems with suchlike.

Do you know what the rule is for having a firearm on a boat in the bay?
When boarded by the CG a few years ago, that was there first question.
They
asked if I had any weapons on board, I looked at my fishing box and
asked
if knives counted. They didn't laugh.

Suppose I'd had a pistol in the cabin. Would that have been a violation
of
some law?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

I think they just do not want to be surprised.



At Neah Bay Wa, fishermen often carry a handgun or .410 shotgun to kill
large halibut before bringing them in the boat. Doesn't seem to be a
concern
of the Coasties. Just don't take em into Canadian waters! They get real
touchie!
Gordon



I understand that for $60 a year, you can get an import permit for the
shotgun in Canada.