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Heart Attacks While Boating
Here's an item from the daily USCG press release that inspires some
careful reflection: Office of Public Affairs U.S. Coast Guard Thirteenth District Press Release Date: January 3, 2006 Contact: PA3 Jeff Pollinger (206) 220-7237 COAST GUARD MEDEVACS 39-YEAR-OLD MAN NEAR PORT ANGELES, WASH. SEATTLE - A 39-year-old man suffering from chest pains was medevaced from a 600-foot vessel this morning 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. At 9 a.m., Coast Guard Group/Air Station Port Angeles, Wash., received a call from the master of the container ship Hyundai Duke requesting medical assistance for a 39-year-old crewmember. An HH-65 Dolphin helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Port Angeles was launched to medevac the man at 9:30 a.m. The helicopter lowered a rescue swimmer to the vessel and the man was then safely hoisted into the helicopter. The crewmember was then flown to Air Station Port Angeles where an awaiting ambulance transported him to Olympic Memorial Hospital in Port Angeles for further medical treatment. A high resolution photo of the rescue is available at the following link: https://www.piersystem.com/clients/u...0.439320705557 Cutlline: SEATTLE - Petty Officer 1st Class Doug Lathrop administers medical care to a crew member from the vessel Hyundai Duke. The vessel was 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. when the crewman was airlifted after complaining of chest pains. Official U.S. Coast Guard photo. For video, contact Lt. Daniel Leary at (360) 417 - 5850 ### The U.S. Coast Guard is a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America. View this document online U.S. Coast Guard - 13th District 13th District Public Information Site Cut and paste the photo link into your browser and get a *large* picture of medical procedures inside a rescue helicopter. Fortunately for the 39- year old man the ship wasn't smack dab in the middle of the Pacific. The "typical" or "average" recreational boater is probably at least as old as the crewman in this incident. How many of us have made plans (or more importantly drilled our SO's ((as in "rehearsed", shame on you)) and usual boating companions) to implement effective procedures on that inevitable day when we find ourselves flopping around the on the cabin sole and turning blue? Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? |
Heart Attacks While Boating
Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should
consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. wrote in message oups.com... Here's an item from the daily USCG press release that inspires some careful reflection: Office of Public Affairs U.S. Coast Guard Thirteenth District Press Release Date: January 3, 2006 Contact: PA3 Jeff Pollinger (206) 220-7237 COAST GUARD MEDEVACS 39-YEAR-OLD MAN NEAR PORT ANGELES, WASH. SEATTLE - A 39-year-old man suffering from chest pains was medevaced from a 600-foot vessel this morning 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. At 9 a.m., Coast Guard Group/Air Station Port Angeles, Wash., received a call from the master of the container ship Hyundai Duke requesting medical assistance for a 39-year-old crewmember. An HH-65 Dolphin helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Port Angeles was launched to medevac the man at 9:30 a.m. The helicopter lowered a rescue swimmer to the vessel and the man was then safely hoisted into the helicopter. The crewmember was then flown to Air Station Port Angeles where an awaiting ambulance transported him to Olympic Memorial Hospital in Port Angeles for further medical treatment. A high resolution photo of the rescue is available at the following link: https://www.piersystem.com/clients/u...0.439320705557 Cutlline: SEATTLE - Petty Officer 1st Class Doug Lathrop administers medical care to a crew member from the vessel Hyundai Duke. The vessel was 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. when the crewman was airlifted after complaining of chest pains. Official U.S. Coast Guard photo. For video, contact Lt. Daniel Leary at (360) 417 - 5850 ### The U.S. Coast Guard is a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America. View this document online U.S. Coast Guard - 13th District 13th District Public Information Site Cut and paste the photo link into your browser and get a *large* picture of medical procedures inside a rescue helicopter. Fortunately for the 39- year old man the ship wasn't smack dab in the middle of the Pacific. The "typical" or "average" recreational boater is probably at least as old as the crewman in this incident. How many of us have made plans (or more importantly drilled our SO's ((as in "rehearsed", shame on you)) and usual boating companions) to implement effective procedures on that inevitable day when we find ourselves flopping around the on the cabin sole and turning blue? Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? |
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Here's an item from the daily USCG press release that inspires some careful reflection: (snippage for brevity) COAST GUARD MEDEVACS 39-YEAR-OLD MAN NEAR PORT ANGELES, WASH. SEATTLE - A 39-year-old man suffering from chest pains was medevaced from a 600-foot vessel this morning 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. Fortunately for the 39- year old man the ship wasn't smack dab in the middle of the Pacific. The "typical" or "average" recreational boater is probably at least as old as the crewman in this incident. How many of us have made plans (or more importantly drilled our SO's ((as in "rehearsed", shame on you)) and usual boating companions) to implement effective procedures on that inevitable day when we find ourselves flopping around the on the cabin sole and turning blue? Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? My "good idea" is one that has already been rejected bya majority of Americans: eat & live sensibly, so as to minimize the risk of heart attack. NOYB wrote: Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. Agreed, a well-equipped boat could have one of these... we are considering one, for example.... but they don't make you bulletproof. They can only help a person having specific types of heart problems, and only work after you have NO pulse. An auto defibrillator might help 50 ~ 60% of heart attack victims who fall down with no pulse. It won't do a thing to help those who have a wide variety of other cardiac problems. And major point: it's *ABSOLUTELY* not a substitute for thorough first-aid & CPR training. Fair Skies- Doug King |
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"DSK" wrote in message
... And major point: it's *ABSOLUTELY* not a substitute for thorough first-aid & CPR training. Fair Skies- Doug King 1......2.......3........ :-) |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... wrote... Here's an item from the daily USCG press release that inspires some careful reflection: (snippage for brevity) COAST GUARD MEDEVACS 39-YEAR-OLD MAN NEAR PORT ANGELES, WASH. SEATTLE - A 39-year-old man suffering from chest pains was medevaced from a 600-foot vessel this morning 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. Fortunately for the 39- year old man the ship wasn't smack dab in the middle of the Pacific. The "typical" or "average" recreational boater is probably at least as old as the crewman in this incident. How many of us have made plans (or more importantly drilled our SO's ((as in "rehearsed", shame on you)) and usual boating companions) to implement effective procedures on that inevitable day when we find ourselves flopping around the on the cabin sole and turning blue? Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? My "good idea" is one that has already been rejected bya majority of Americans: eat & live sensibly, so as to minimize the risk of heart attack. NOYB wrote: Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. Agreed, a well-equipped boat could have one of these... we are considering one, for example.... but they don't make you bulletproof. They can only help a person having specific types of heart problems, True. and only work after you have NO pulse. An auto defibrillator might help 50 ~ 60% of heart attack victims who fall down with no pulse. It won't do a thing to help those who have a wide variety of other cardiac problems. Most of the other cardiac problems progress to a dysrhythmia...which is what eventually leads to asystole (ie--death). When a person is in a pulseless dysrhythmia, you should hook up the AED, and the AED may normalize the rhythm and restore the pulse. And major point: it's *ABSOLUTELY* not a substitute for thorough first-aid & CPR training. Agreed. I just got re-certified in BLS for Healthcare Providers, and AED training. Not 2 weeks later, the AHA released a new protocol: Evaluate for responsiveness/pulse/breathing AED first...single shock *then* CPR for adolescents and adults 30:2 compressions to breaths (for adults). http://www.americanheart.org/downloa...Winter2005.pdf |
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An auto defibrillator might help 50 ~ 60% of heart attack victims who fall
down with no pulse. It won't do a thing to help those who have a wide variety of other cardiac problems. NOYB wrote: Most of the other cardiac problems progress to a dysrhythmia...which is what eventually leads to asystole (ie--death). When a person is in a pulseless dysrhythmia, you should hook up the AED, and the AED may normalize the rhythm and restore the pulse. Correct, as far as I understand it. That's why I say there are a LOT of "heart attack" scenarios that an automatic defibrillator will not help. Entirely too many people will assume that the magic gizmo brings the dead back to life, no matter what. And major point: it's *ABSOLUTELY* not a substitute for thorough first-aid & CPR training. Agreed. I just got re-certified in BLS for Healthcare Providers, and AED training. Not 2 weeks later, the AHA released a new protocol: Evaluate for responsiveness/pulse/breathing AED first...single shock *then* CPR for adolescents and adults 30:2 compressions to breaths (for adults). http://www.americanheart.org/downloa...Winter2005.pdf Yes, but the old protocol is still pretty good; you're better off (and so is anybody that might be depending on your skill). Any profession requires ongoing education, the medical field is more intense than most in this (and many other) aspect(s). For reasons I'm not going to explain here, I am very close to undergrad & resident medical education at a world-recognized facility. One of my favorite remarks on medical education is from a man who directed a big program and is now at NIH: "Half of what we teach you here is wrong. Unfortunately, nobody will know until later which half that is." Fair Skies Doug King |
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Thanks for the link and reminder Chuck.
wrote in message oups.com... Here's an item from the daily USCG press release that inspires some careful reflection: Office of Public Affairs U.S. Coast Guard Thirteenth District Press Release Date: January 3, 2006 Contact: PA3 Jeff Pollinger (206) 220-7237 COAST GUARD MEDEVACS 39-YEAR-OLD MAN NEAR PORT ANGELES, WASH. SEATTLE - A 39-year-old man suffering from chest pains was medevaced from a 600-foot vessel this morning 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. At 9 a.m., Coast Guard Group/Air Station Port Angeles, Wash., received a call from the master of the container ship Hyundai Duke requesting medical assistance for a 39-year-old crewmember. An HH-65 Dolphin helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Port Angeles was launched to medevac the man at 9:30 a.m. The helicopter lowered a rescue swimmer to the vessel and the man was then safely hoisted into the helicopter. The crewmember was then flown to Air Station Port Angeles where an awaiting ambulance transported him to Olympic Memorial Hospital in Port Angeles for further medical treatment. A high resolution photo of the rescue is available at the following link: https://www.piersystem.com/clients/u...0.439320705557 Cutlline: SEATTLE - Petty Officer 1st Class Doug Lathrop administers medical care to a crew member from the vessel Hyundai Duke. The vessel was 30 miles off the coast of Port Angeles, Wash. when the crewman was airlifted after complaining of chest pains. Official U.S. Coast Guard photo. For video, contact Lt. Daniel Leary at (360) 417 - 5850 ### The U.S. Coast Guard is a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America. View this document online U.S. Coast Guard - 13th District 13th District Public Information Site Cut and paste the photo link into your browser and get a *large* picture of medical procedures inside a rescue helicopter. Fortunately for the 39- year old man the ship wasn't smack dab in the middle of the Pacific. The "typical" or "average" recreational boater is probably at least as old as the crewman in this incident. How many of us have made plans (or more importantly drilled our SO's ((as in "rehearsed", shame on you)) and usual boating companions) to implement effective procedures on that inevitable day when we find ourselves flopping around the on the cabin sole and turning blue? Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? |
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Once had a crew member have a stroke while way out. We had no idea
what was happening to him. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. An antihistamine would be good to have on board. If diving, 100% oxygen is the second best treatment for the bends, 1st is getting them back to depth, if I remember from dive class twice the decompression depth they should have stopped at on the way up. But sometimes you can't do that (no air in tank or they have passed out). GPS and vhf radio that broadcasts your position, necessary if you have a wife who is directionally disabled. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide |
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Anybody carrying a defibrilator?
Any other good ideas to share? Jeff Rigby wrote: Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. .... An antihistamine would be good to have on board. If diving, 100% oxygen is the second best treatment for the bends, 1st is getting them back to depth, if I remember from dive class twice the decompression depth they should have stopped at on the way up. But sometimes you can't do that (no air in tank or they have passed out). A small oxygen tank with a breather would be an excellent 1st aid tool to have on board, thanks for th esuggestion. But it really has to be stowed & handled properly... oxygen is not itself explosive (although the pressurized container is), it is the most powerful oxidant and makes anything that's even slightly flammable into a tremendous hazard. For example, I've been told that oxygen will make many brands of sunscreen burn like gasoline... and oxygen will make gasoline explode at room temperature. GPS and vhf radio that broadcasts your position, necessary if you have a wife who is directionally disabled. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide Don't forget Cipro! Fair Skies Doug King |
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:40:07 -0500, DSK wrote:
Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Jeff Rigby wrote: Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. .... An antihistamine would be good to have on board. If diving, 100% oxygen is the second best treatment for the bends, 1st is getting them back to depth, if I remember from dive class twice the decompression depth they should have stopped at on the way up. But sometimes you can't do that (no air in tank or they have passed out). A small oxygen tank with a breather would be an excellent 1st aid tool to have on board, thanks for th esuggestion. But it really has to be stowed & handled properly... oxygen is not itself explosive (although the pressurized container is), it is the most powerful oxidant and makes anything that's even slightly flammable into a tremendous hazard. For example, I've been told that oxygen will make many brands of sunscreen burn like gasoline... and oxygen will make gasoline explode at room temperature. GPS and vhf radio that broadcasts your position, necessary if you have a wife who is directionally disabled. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide Don't forget Cipro! Fair Skies Doug King Although I don't do any blue water boating, this was a pretty good thread. At least it reminded me to 'freshen' the aspirins, etc. in the first aid kit! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. An antihistamine would be good to have on board. If diving, 100% oxygen is the second best treatment for the bends, Oxygen is also the best first-line treatment for virtually any cardiovascular problem. |
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"DSK" wrote in message . .. Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Jeff Rigby wrote: Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. If Sharon was given aspirin for his hemorrhagic stroke, he'd probably be dead right now. He may die anyhow, but aspirin would have worsened the bleed. .... An antihistamine would be good to have on board. If diving, 100% oxygen is the second best treatment for the bends, 1st is getting them back to depth, if I remember from dive class twice the decompression depth they should have stopped at on the way up. But sometimes you can't do that (no air in tank or they have passed out). A small oxygen tank with a breather would be an excellent 1st aid tool to have on board, thanks for th esuggestion. But it really has to be stowed & handled properly... oxygen is not itself explosive (although the pressurized container is), it is the most powerful oxidant and makes anything that's even slightly flammable into a tremendous hazard. For example, I've been told that oxygen will make many brands of sunscreen burn like gasoline... and oxygen will make gasoline explode at room temperature. GPS and vhf radio that broadcasts your position, necessary if you have a wife who is directionally disabled. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide Don't forget Cipro! You worried about anthrax on the high seas? |
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Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets.
For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. NOYB wrote: If Sharon was given aspirin for his hemorrhagic stroke, he'd probably be dead right now. He may die anyhow, but aspirin would have worsened the bleed. OK, guess it's time for me to do a review course. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide Don't forget Cipro! You worried about anthrax on the high seas? No. Cipro is a great travel med... quickly cures all kinds of GI infections & infestations. I carry some all the time, fortunately have only had to use it once. I didn't know Cipro was good for anthrax, too. DSK |
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NOYB,
My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. My fear is being kept alive artificially when it is my day to die. I think back to the movie "Little Big Man" and the Chief Dan George saying "Today is a good day to die". There are worse ways to go, than dying quickly doing something you enjoy. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "DSK" wrote in message . .. Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Jeff Rigby wrote: Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. If Sharon was given aspirin for his hemorrhagic stroke, he'd probably be dead right now. He may die anyhow, but aspirin would have worsened the bleed. .... An antihistamine would be good to have on board. If diving, 100% oxygen is the second best treatment for the bends, 1st is getting them back to depth, if I remember from dive class twice the decompression depth they should have stopped at on the way up. But sometimes you can't do that (no air in tank or they have passed out). A small oxygen tank with a breather would be an excellent 1st aid tool to have on board, thanks for th esuggestion. But it really has to be stowed & handled properly... oxygen is not itself explosive (although the pressurized container is), it is the most powerful oxidant and makes anything that's even slightly flammable into a tremendous hazard. For example, I've been told that oxygen will make many brands of sunscreen burn like gasoline... and oxygen will make gasoline explode at room temperature. GPS and vhf radio that broadcasts your position, necessary if you have a wife who is directionally disabled. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide Don't forget Cipro! You worried about anthrax on the high seas? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "DSK" wrote in message . .. Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Jeff Rigby wrote: Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. If Sharon was given aspirin for his hemorrhagic stroke, he'd probably be dead right now. He may die anyhow, but aspirin would have worsened the bleed. Seems there are more bleeds and ruptured arteries lately, could that be related to Statin drugs?? My Uncle had a stroke (bleed type), My father-in-law just died because a small artery in his heart bled into his pericardial sack and kept the heart from beating properly. Both were on Statin drugs. In both cases asprin would have been the worst thing for them to take. Don't forget Cipro! You worried about anthrax on the high seas? |
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"DSK" wrote in message . .. Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. NOYB wrote: If Sharon was given aspirin for his hemorrhagic stroke, he'd probably be dead right now. He may die anyhow, but aspirin would have worsened the bleed. OK, guess it's time for me to do a review course. Aspirin is the correct protocol for an ischemic stroke though. Aspirin, antihistamine, antacid tablets, first aid kit, Imodium, sea sickness pills, salt tablets (not all of us are on the ocean), potassium if on long trips, gator aide Don't forget Cipro! You worried about anthrax on the high seas? No. Cipro is a great travel med... quickly cures all kinds of GI infections & infestations. It's very good for E. Coli-induced diarrhea...but not anaerobic GI problems (ie--C. Deficile). For the anaerobes like C. Deficile, you need Flagyl (metronidazole). Cipro is also good for urinary track infections and gonorrhea...in case your vacations are of the sordid type. ;-) The fluoroquinolones (Cipro, etc) work well for a lot of infections, but one of the best all-around antibiotics on the market is Augmentin (amoxicillin with clavulanate to help fight the beta-lactamase-producing bugs). I'm a big fan of Zithromax and Clindamycin as well. And then carry a dose of Flagyl in case the Augmentin, Zithromax, or Clindamycin cause a severe case of antibiotic-induced colitis. |
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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... NOYB, My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. I yearn to live for my family's sake...not my own. |
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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "DSK" wrote in message . .. Anybody carrying a defibrilator? Any other good ideas to share? Jeff Rigby wrote: Aspirin!!!, for chest pains and can't get your breath, Aspirin 4 tablets. For other symptoms you might do more harm than good. That's true, but isn't the general rule of thumb for both stroke & heart attack, 'when in doubt, give aspirin'? And giving it as quickly as possible is important, too. If Sharon was given aspirin for his hemorrhagic stroke, he'd probably be dead right now. He may die anyhow, but aspirin would have worsened the bleed. Seems there are more bleeds and ruptured arteries lately, could that be related to Statin drugs?? I dunno. I've never heard of increased rates of bleeding from the statins. Things like aspirin and ibuprofen have a much larger effect on bleeding times...and those are available OTC, so people pop them like candy. |
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NOYB wrote: Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. As well as a bomb shelter, radiation suits, a couple of quarts of blood of the same type as each person on board, a staffed hospital room, helicopter for EVAC operations, complete antivenom kit, and the list goes on.....how careful and prepared do you want to be? |
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NOYB wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... NOYB, My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. I yearn to live for my family's sake...not my own. Too over extended to have decent insurance? |
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wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... NOYB, My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. I yearn to live for my family's sake...not my own. Too over extended to have decent insurance? It takes more than money to care for a family. |
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-- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "Reggie Smithers" wrote in message ... NOYB, My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. I yearn to live for my family's sake...not my own. Too over extended to have decent insurance? |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
NOYB, My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. My fear is being kept alive artificially when it is my day to die. I think back to the movie "Little Big Man" and the Chief Dan George saying "Today is a good day to die". There are worse ways to go, than dying quickly doing something you enjoy. What about when you have to stand up and account for all your sins? Tthat should scare the bejesus out of you! |
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Don,
I am not sure if there is a heaven and hell, but if I do have to account for all of my sins it will scare the bejesus out of me. How about you? -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "Don White" wrote in message ... Reggie Smithers wrote: NOYB, My feeling is if you are boating and die from a heart attack or a stroke, it might be a blessing. I am not scared of dying. My fear is being kept alive artificially when it is my day to die. I think back to the movie "Little Big Man" and the Chief Dan George saying "Today is a good day to die". There are worse ways to go, than dying quickly doing something you enjoy. What about when you have to stand up and account for all your sins? Tthat should scare the bejesus out of you! |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Don, I am not sure if there is a heaven and hell, but if I do have to account for all of my sins it will scare the bejesus out of me. How about you? I try to atone for mine while still here, hoping for a quick pass through when my day comes. |
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Don,
That is what Jews do each year. Makes a lot of sense. I try to atone also, but I am sure I have forgotten many of my sins. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** "Don White" wrote in message ... Reggie Smithers wrote: Don, I am not sure if there is a heaven and hell, but if I do have to account for all of my sins it will scare the bejesus out of me. How about you? I try to atone for mine while still here, hoping for a quick pass through when my day comes. |
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Somebody wrote:
Too over extended to have decent insurance? What kind of insensitive and not too bright comment is that? |
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:00:59 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
Somebody wrote: Too over extended to have decent insurance? What kind of insensitive and not too bright comment is that? That was a troll, and it was nice of NOYB not to bite! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
That was a troll, and it was nice of NOYB not to bite! That may or may not be the case, but *your* post is definitely a passive-aggressive attack. I thought this kind of thing was for pencil-neck intellectuals & left-wingers (assuming they're not the same thing)? Oh well, it's still an improvement. DSK |
Heart Attacks While Boating
NOYB wrote:
Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. wrote: As well as a bomb shelter, radiation suits, a couple of quarts of blood of the same type as each person on board, a staffed hospital room, helicopter for EVAC operations, complete antivenom kit, and the list goes on.....how careful and prepared do you want to be? Well, that depends on how large your vessel is, how many people you take aboard, and how long you expect to be away from "civilization" (those of us who know where & what it is, to begin with). For a 36' cruising boat, an anti-venom kit & an auto defibrillator, an inflatable splint, injector pens loaded with several types of emergency meds, are not at all excessive IMHO. Some people in this newsgroup have boats big enough for a helo deck, but I personally don't. Should I be snide about it? DSK |
Heart Attacks While Boating
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:24:13 -0500, DSK wrote:
JohnH wrote: That was a troll, and it was nice of NOYB not to bite! That may or may not be the case, but *your* post is definitely a passive-aggressive attack. I thought this kind of thing was for pencil-neck intellectuals & left-wingers (assuming they're not the same thing)? Oh well, it's still an improvement. DSK Hopefully it was mostly passive, but just aggressive enough to get the point across. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Heart Attacks While Boating
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:24:13 -0500, DSK wrote: JohnH wrote: That was a troll, and it was nice of NOYB not to bite! That may or may not be the case, but *your* post is definitely a passive-aggressive attack. I thought this kind of thing was for pencil-neck intellectuals & left-wingers (assuming they're not the same thing)? Oh well, it's still an improvement. DSK Hopefully it was mostly passive, but just aggressive enough to get the point across. -- John H. DSK...........I hope you were kidding. If not and if this group is now going to micromanage posts to decide the quality or worthiness of them based on some sort of psychological modeling then it is time for me to move on. ;-) |
Heart Attacks While Boating
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:35:53 -0500, DSK wrote:
injector pens loaded with several types of emergency meds =================== They actually make stuff like that? |
Heart Attacks While Boating
"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Every boater who travels more than a couple of dozen miles from shore should consider carrying an Automatic External Defibrillator. They're available OTC from Sams club for under $1500...and are absolutely fool-proof to use. wrote: As well as a bomb shelter, radiation suits, a couple of quarts of blood of the same type as each person on board, a staffed hospital room, helicopter for EVAC operations, complete antivenom kit, and the list goes on.....how careful and prepared do you want to be? Well, that depends on how large your vessel is, how many people you take aboard, and how long you expect to be away from "civilization" (those of us who know where & what it is, to begin with). For a 36' cruising boat, an anti-venom kit & an auto defibrillator, an inflatable splint, injector pens loaded with several types of emergency meds, are not at all excessive IMHO. Some people in this newsgroup have boats big enough for a helo deck, but I personally don't. Should I be snide about it? DSK I'd only qualify the above in that the age and condition of your passengers should be taken into consideration when choosing (economics again) what to take with you on trips. As most of this group is 50 or over I think the defib unit is a good idea, but I'm a fair weather day boater so I can't justify it. |
Heart Attacks While Boating
injector pens loaded
with several types of emergency meds Wayne.B wrote: They actually make stuff like that? Oh yes. But you need a prescription. Our state medical university has a "Travel Medicine" dept... this may have a different name in different places, the doc that decides you need Cipro or Malarone or whatever. We made up a list of what we wanted to have on hand, and asked for specifically... didn't get some things. The bad news is that they expire so you have to plan accordingly. Another possibility to keep in mind is getting a certification as an EMT. That opens some doors too, and isn't too difficult. Fair Skies Doug King |
Heart Attacks While Boating
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:11:54 -0500, DSK wrote:
Another possibility to keep in mind is getting a certification as an EMT. That opens some doors too, and isn't too difficult. We used to have a family doctor at one time who was also a sailor. He was pretty good about keeping our emergency kit stocked when we needed it for distance racing. Unfortunately he retired and moved to the AVI. Very inconsiderate. :-) EMT certification is probably a good idea for anyone carrying serious pharmaceuticals and/or medical equipment. It would be doubly tragic to make a bad situation worse in my opinion. First, do no harm... |
Heart Attacks While Boating
Another possibility to keep in mind is getting a
certification as an EMT. That opens some doors too, and isn't too difficult. Wayne.B wrote: We used to have a family doctor at one time who was also a sailor. He was pretty good about keeping our emergency kit stocked when we needed it for distance racing. Unfortunately he retired and moved to the AVI. Very inconsiderate. :-) You can't lure him back for some cruising on your luxury vessel??! Doctors get a lot of nice invites, to do the Bermuda Race for example. EMT certification is probably a good idea for anyone carrying serious pharmaceuticals and/or medical equipment. It would be doubly tragic to make a bad situation worse in my opinion. First, do no harm... Exactly. Good thing about the Internet Age: up-to-date training is only a mouse click away. Another thing I've got in mind is that some foreign officials might get rather irritated if you show up with meds and no paperwork. OTOH I don't feel like playing roulette with emergency med supplies, having experienced a few times the wonders of 3rd world health care and what you get in emergencies once you venture outside the 911 grid. Fair Skies- Doug King |
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