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Harry Krause wrote:

I don't know what Herring is looking for, but I suspect he wants a
Parker at a firesale price. It's too bad, because had he made me a
respectable offer, I probably would have accepted it.

Can't blame him if that's the case. Most expect to get a super deal at
the beginning of winter. A couple of months from now should make quite
a difference.

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K. Smith wrote:
wrote:
30. JIMinFL




I think you could strip all the gelcoat entirely off a boat and it
would still float. If the fibers were adequately wetted out with resin,
the hull wouldn't even absorb water (or "wick" it around). That seems
to be where we disagree.




Now you are qualifing with "adequately wetted out with resin". Sure
some
better hulls will be more resistant to water penetration. The cheaper
hulls
still depend on the gel coat to keep the water out

******

:-)

When one states that water is going to leak through the frp laminate
and into the boat unless it is somehow stopped by the gelcoat- and if
one means "if the hull is defective.......", then it would be best to
so state. When talking about general functions of gelcoat, laminate,
etc it would be customary to assume one is talking about a standard
hull rather than a defective one.

No builder depends on gelcoat to keep water from leaking into the
bilge.


Gee Chuck I think that's a bit of a statement. Most fibreglass
laminates are pretty porous if there are no barriers.

I'm not saying water would "flow" as such, but certainly it will seep
into the glass & definitely damage it over time.

On the other side if anyone did actually wet the layup enough that it
was truly water "proof" then it would be a very weakened laminate,
overly heavy & expensive waste of resin.

The best fix thus far is a good outer barrier usually of vinyl ester
resins in conjunction with a tissue tie layer. Even inside you need
flowcoat or such to stop the laminate being too porous from that direction.

K

I agree that fiberglass can allow water molecules to penetrate through.

There was an often referenced demonstration where somebody built a
fiberglass box, filled it with water, and bonded an air-tight top. It
sat in a classroom under daily observation, and no water was ever seen
leaking out. When the box was opened, several months later,
it was bone dry. I can't honestly say whether the box in the experiment
was covered with
gelcoat, paint, or consisted of exosed glass cloth

That's far different from a theory that gelcoat.... (which is more
porous than the laminate itself, causing the water that penetrates it
to stop or slow down when it reaches the
laminate below and hang around long enough to foster chemical reactions
that produce the gas that creates blisters)... waterproofs the laminate
to prevent leaking.

According to this observation from Pascoe's essay on blisters:

"Blistering involves only the gel coat and surface mat in 99% of the
cases. This is due to the fact that the structural fabrics, such as
roving, get saturated better. Its also because the water is less likely
to penetrate beyond the mat and, even if it does, woven fabrics do not
have the weak gel coat factor and are much too strong to allow whatever
pressure may develop within a void to cause a separation. The incidence
of blisters occurring within structural laminates is extremely small."

It would make more sense to use the structural laminate to "waterproof"
the gelcoat than to say that the gelcoat somehow seals or waterproofs
the laminate.

A vinylester barrier has proven to be extremely effective in reducing,
and in many cases eliminating, the tendency for FRP hulls to blister.

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ups.com...

JIMinFL wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
:-)

When one states that water is going to leak through the frp laminate
and into the boat unless it is somehow stopped by the gelcoat- and if
one means "if the hull is defective.......", then it would be best to
so state. When talking about general functions of gelcoat, laminate,
etc it would be customary to assume one is talking about a standard
hull rather than a defective one.

No builder depends on gelcoat to keep water from leaking into the
bilge.

I can't argue this point with you. I don't know what the hell you are
talking about.

I'm talking about your position that damaged gel coat will cause a
fiberglass hull to leak,
(based upon the premise that the function of gelcoat is to "waterproof"
the fiberglass).

My position is that damaged gelcoat may cause a FRP hull to leak. Also my
position is that a function of gelcoat is to waterproof a FRP hull.

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:59:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The boating season starts here the beginning of April, and even earlier
for the brave-hearted.

========================================

Could be, but we left the Cheapeake in late October and were happy to
be heading further south. The days weren't too bad but once it gets
into the 40s at night it's time to fly. Even the Carolinas were
getting chilly at night, and it didn't feel truly warm until we got to
the Fernandina Beach/St Augestine area in early November.

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:59:38 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
I don't know what Herring is looking for, but I suspect he wants a
Parker at a firesale price. It's too bad, because had he made me a
respectable offer, I probably would have accepted it.

Can't blame him if that's the case. Most expect to get a super deal at
the beginning of winter. A couple of months from now should make quite
a difference.


The boating season starts here the beginning of April, and even earlier
for the brave-hearted.

My season starts about two weeks before striper trophy season starts. Do you know
when that is yet?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:29:38 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Read my post regarding an adaptation of a 12-step program for "reformed"
whine-aholics.

I got a kick of how the Rev kept butting in when you & John were
awkwardly starting negotiations on a boat deal.
He must think John just fell off a turnip truck. After all John is
probably one of the few here who has seen Yo Ho up close.


The behavior of Jim and a couple of others here is why I'd never list
the particulars of a boat I want to sell on usenet.

My wife and I have an acquaintance, a nice enough fellow, but one whose
mouth keeps getting him into trouble. He's always commenting on the
relationships of others, and he's almost always wrong, but he keeps on
with his "pronouncements." My wife nicknamed him "JimWit," a play on
"dimwit." It's too back the nickname is taken.

I don't know what Herring is looking for, but I suspect he wants a
Parker at a firesale price. It's too bad, because had he made me a
respectable offer, I probably would have accepted it.

Harry, I would never make an offer on a boat without an idea of the seller's price,
and some specifics of the boat.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH,
You can see that Harry will continue to troll all of us anytime he wants
to get a rise and start a good argument. We all need to just ignore his
trolls.


Agreed. He is now in my bozo bin where he should have been all along. I
added a couple of other folks in it who have never posted an original
thought and follow Krause around like orphaned puppies.

My list of unread messages suddenly dropped in half.

Imagine that. ;-)

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JimH wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...

JimH,
You can see that Harry will continue to troll all of us anytime he wants
to get a rise and start a good argument. We all need to just ignore his
trolls.



Agreed. He is now in my bozo bin where he should have been all along. I
added a couple of other folks in it who have never posted an original
thought and follow Krause around like orphaned puppies.

My list of unread messages suddenly dropped in half.

Imagine that. ;-)


What a brilliant move! Now you can lie and talk trash all day and no
one can call you for it.

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:45:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:29:38 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Read my post regarding an adaptation of a 12-step program for "reformed"
whine-aholics.
I got a kick of how the Rev kept butting in when you & John were
awkwardly starting negotiations on a boat deal.
He must think John just fell off a turnip truck. After all John is
probably one of the few here who has seen Yo Ho up close.

The behavior of Jim and a couple of others here is why I'd never list
the particulars of a boat I want to sell on usenet.

My wife and I have an acquaintance, a nice enough fellow, but one whose
mouth keeps getting him into trouble. He's always commenting on the
relationships of others, and he's almost always wrong, but he keeps on
with his "pronouncements." My wife nicknamed him "JimWit," a play on
"dimwit." It's too back the nickname is taken.

I don't know what Herring is looking for, but I suspect he wants a
Parker at a firesale price. It's too bad, because had he made me a
respectable offer, I probably would have accepted it.

Harry, I would never make an offer on a boat without an idea of the seller's price,
and some specifics of the boat.


I turned down an offer of $56,500. I've been told an offer in the low
$60's would be reasonable.

The only specific you don't know (assuming the boat is in the shape I've
claimed) is engine hours, and I've stated those are significantly less
than those of the other Parkers described here the last few days.

What else do you need to know to make an offer?

I would have to have definitely decided I want to buy a new boat. I've not made that
decision yet. If, and when, I do, the boat will probably be a Parker, if my choice,
or a Grady, if the wife's choice.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:58:13 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Stay tuned for the next installment of the The Reverands.

===========================

Better yet, why not put them in the KF and stop their fun?




I just took one of them out. I guess you're right. I suppose of all the
personalities one encounters on usenet, the ones I most dislike are the
"holier-than-thou's" who don't recognize when they are falling off the
wagon...again.

I should be more mellow today. One of my kids sent me a collection of
Neville Brothers CDs, and I've been listening to Aaron Neville telling it
like it is.


I've got a superaudio CD of Neville, done in 6 channel stereo. One of the
recordings is "Ave Maria". I have never been able to get through the whole
song without emotionally falling apart.

Eisboch