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Skipper

Eisboch wrote:
Please ask Fred to pass me the light. I just don't get it.

Actually I think you do, but Fred probably never will.


.... Well, I do
understand your point of view, but have a hard time believing it has
anything to do with the real world.


My POV is totally centered in the real world, thanks.

For example, I was fortunate enough to somewhat achieve my goals in *spite*
of banks, schools, lawyers and all the federal, state and local ordnance
obstacles thrown in a small business's path over the years. Believe me,
they don't make it easy for anyone.


Of course not. It's only easy for people who have such a
big head start that they can coast... which ain't me fer sher.



Oh, yes, I'll admit I used roads and wrote and received checks to my
advantage. :-)


I guess that you employed people and entered into contracts,
and accepted payments, too. That last is kinda hard without
banks.

Now, this may help explain why I consdier my point of view
so very realistic...

How would you go about becoming rich on a desert island? And
what good would a huge pile of money do you there? (see,
this *is* boat related after all!)

It is only in relation to the rest of society that "rich"
matters, and it is only by using the functions of the rest
of society that "rich" is even possible.

A very large number of people work their ass off, and never
get rich. Sometimes it's because they are dumb, other times
because they have bad luck, others because they are in such
disadvantaged conditions that they cannot break out.

A large number of poor people hate the rich. If you take
this attitude far enough, you arrive at Bolshevism which is
merely destructive. Of course there is the corollary, that
rich people hate the poor. This can also be taken further
and say they *should* hate the poor (and carry out
legal/economic/social programs to punish them, which
requires politics) is every bit as destructive... and this
is the way the Republican Party seems to be going these
days... although the past few months it may be pulling back
from the brink.

In most times & places in the world, things were run by the
rich for their own benefit. This country is run by the rich,
with some benefits grudgingly handed out to lower levels of
society (some of which have really lifted up all, like
public education), and with the possiblity that a poor man
can become rich without necessarily becoming a shyster.

I don't really think I'm going to change anybody's mind
here, but I'm morally obligated to try. And it would be nice
if one or two people actually thought about it a little,
even if they fall back into the same rut they were in before.

DSK

Eisboch wrote:

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.

Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs and
was very impressed.

http://www.mortonbuildings.com/

Remember this post from April 1998:

Harry Krause wrote:

BTW, Skip, how many hours so far this year have you used your boat?

The boat is still being stored in a Morton building. Don't do it as
often as I did when younger. Spent 10 days on Sea of Cortez around
the first of the year. Had wanted to return in February but El Nino
had me just too paranoid, so didn't go. Going to Shangri-La on Monkey
Island at Grand Lake for 3 days next week. Going back to Sea of Cortez
for 2 weeks within next 90 days.

Daughter and her husband have a 150'x90' Morton building out on 400
acres they are now developing into a sand and gravel mining operation.
The building looks as good now as the day it was built.

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Skipper

Harry Krause wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The only expenses I anticipate for my old barn are "haul away to
the dump" expenses. I have a good storage barn, but what I'd really
like is a full-fledged, cavernous genuine "farm barn" with a poured
concrete floor. Mucho dinero.

=================================

Probably true for conventional wood beam construction. I've seen some
interesting steel beam and skin construction recently that looks half
way affordable however. I was in one last week that was serving as a
wind surfer/kayak store (on topic), about 3,000 sq ft with 20+
ceilings. The owner said it came in at about $50/sq ft including the
slab and site prep.

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.


Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs
and was very impressed.

http://www.mortonbuildings.com/

Eisboch


Some of those aren't so bad.

My falling down barn is an old Maryland tobacco barn, and I really like
the plain-jane style.

If I get serious about this, I'll probably visit some of the Amish
carpenters around here, some of whom I've seen working on barn repair.

Thanks for the lead.


There's a thought.
On my samll 40' x 100' city lot, I have an old single car garage that's
in rough shape. The smart thing would be to tear it down, haul debris to
the landfill and pour a slab for new framing. To avoid getting caught
in new city regulations, I'm going to strip the roof asphalt shingles,
the wall cedar shingles, cut out any rotten framing , jack up what's
left, pour a slab and then attach any new framing required. I'll install
a new asphalt roof and probably vinyl siding. I plan to lengthen the
garage by two feet so I can store my Sandpiper 565 inside.

"DSK" wrote in message
...

I don't really think I'm going to change anybody's mind here, but I'm
morally obligated to try. And it would be nice if one or two people
actually thought about it a little, even if they fall back into the same
rut they were in before.

DSK


'Tis what makes the world go around .....

Peace.

Eisboch

how you did so in the complete & total absense of
any banks, schools, roads, legal system, monetary system,
etc etc.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Everyone has equal access to all of this.

Oh, I see.

Do you feel that believing in fairy tales at your age is a
handicap, Fred? Prob'ly not.

DSK

Skipper wrote:

Eisboch wrote:


Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.



Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs and
was very impressed.



http://www.mortonbuildings.com/


Remember this post from April 1998:


Harry Krause wrote:



BTW, Skip, how many hours so far this year have you used your boat?


The boat is still being stored in a Morton building. Don't do it as
often as I did when younger. Spent 10 days on Sea of Cortez around
the first of the year. Had wanted to return in February but El Nino
had me just too paranoid, so didn't go. Going to Shangri-La on Monkey
Island at Grand Lake for 3 days next week. Going back to Sea of Cortez
for 2 weeks within next 90 days.


Daughter and her husband have a 150'x90' Morton building out on 400
acres they are now developing into a sand and gravel mining operation.
The building looks as good now as the day it was built.


Crazy Dave,

Why do you insist on starting a new thread with an old one? Dan says
it's insane.

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Dan

Eisboch wrote:
'Tis what makes the world go around .....


That makes it almost sound constructive! Thanks!


Peace.


'K

I was going to stop anyway, honest. At least, for now.

Peace to you & yours

Doug King

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
...

I don't really think I'm going to change anybody's mind here, but I'm
morally obligated to try. And it would be nice if one or two people
actually thought about it a little, even if they fall back into the
same
rut they were in before.

DSK


'Tis what makes the world go around .....

The "I know better than you arguement" LMAO typical


Peace.

Eisboch

Fred Dehl wrote:
Everyone has equal access to all of this.


Oh, I see.

Do you feel that believing in fairy tales at your age is a
handicap, Fred? Prob'ly not.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Well, I see you've once again resorted to a tantrum of delusion.


"Tantrum of delusion" because I don't believe in your fairy
tale?


But I'm feeling charitable, so I'll humor you long enough to ask whether
your comment means:

a) you acknowledge that, compared to private schools, government-run
schools are incompetent and clueless monopolies with no incentive to
provide a quality education;

b) you're the typical left-wing closet racist who believes the poor can't
learn no matter the quality of the educational opportunity presented to
them.

Neither.

My comment means that "Everybody has equal access to all
these" is in no way an accurate statement of the real
situation in this country. It's not even true in theory any
more; it was always an idealistic goal and has been dropped.

Well as I said in another post, I'm done... you can stew in
your own bitter fantasies. Try to think more about boats,
Fred, it might make you a happier person.

DSK