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NOYB wrote:
If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd
treat him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family either.

They earned it.



Well that's commendable. I'll send you some.


NOYB wrote:
Please do. Have him contact me here, leave an email, and I'll contact him
via that email.


Oh, I though you meant that they could just call your office
make an appointment.

Don't make promises you don't want to keep.

DSK

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The only expenses I anticipate for my old barn are "haul away to the
dump" expenses. I have a good storage barn, but what I'd really like is
a full-fledged, cavernous genuine "farm barn" with a poured concrete
floor. Mucho dinero.

=================================

Probably true for conventional wood beam construction. I've seen some
interesting steel beam and skin construction recently that looks half
way affordable however. I was in one last week that was serving as a
wind surfer/kayak store (on topic), about 3,000 sq ft with 20+
ceilings. The owner said it came in at about $50/sq ft including the
slab and site prep.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The only expenses I anticipate for my old barn are "haul away to the
dump" expenses. I have a good storage barn, but what I'd really like is
a full-fledged, cavernous genuine "farm barn" with a poured concrete
floor. Mucho dinero.

=================================

Probably true for conventional wood beam construction. I've seen some
interesting steel beam and skin construction recently that looks half
way affordable however. I was in one last week that was serving as a
wind surfer/kayak store (on topic), about 3,000 sq ft with 20+
ceilings. The owner said it came in at about $50/sq ft including the
slab and site prep.

Polr barns are pretty economical to build, also there is a market for old
barn wood, especially if is from old growth wood, you don't find much oak
12 x 12 anymore.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
If an Iraqi war veteran serving inside Iraq came into my office, I'd
treat him for free...and probably not charge his immediate family
either.

They earned it.



Well that's commendable. I'll send you some.


NOYB wrote:
Please do. Have him contact me here, leave an email, and I'll contact
him via that email.


Oh, I though you meant that they could just call your office make an
appointment.

He can call my office once I send him my phone number via email.

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Oh, I though you meant that they could just call your office make an
appointment.


NOBBY wrote:
He can call my office once I send him my phone number via email.


So, another example of "compassionate conservatism:" make an
offer of generosity, then reneg on it...

If you were serious, you could have posted your offer to one
of the Iraq War vet support web sites. As it happens, I know
a couple of Gulf & Iraq war vets in south Florida, but
they're not in Naples and they're doing well enough that an
quasi-offer of "free dental care" is not worth the drive.

DSK

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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:46:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.

=============================

The one I saw was a cut above that, perfectly decent looking from the
outside, lots of exposed structure on the inside. Functional, but no
work of art.

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Krause is still upset over the fact that he lost a discussion about boats
and the weights of power trains (engines/outdrives with me on Monday.




"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Harry,
When did Chuck Gould and all the other old timers become JimH's
facilitators?

The NG is better off without the mindless name calling.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Fred Dehl wrote:
Tamaroak wrote in news:576dnVxMv5qMfyTeRVn-
:

The poor in this country don't qualify for these deductions

It's hard to qualify for a deduction when YOU PAY NO INCOME TAXES IN THE
FIRST PLACE. The bottom FIFTY PERCENT of taxpayers pays ONLY FIVE
PERCENT of income taxes.


Your "facts" are wrong. But, of course, demonstrating that would be
making a political statement, and such thinking is verboten in this
mindless morass of born-again, part-time, goody two shoes. Just ask the
Rev. Jim or his facilitators.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:36:08 -0500, DSK wrote:

FWIW we have used the boat loan interest deduction for years. There are
several criteria, among them that the boat has to have a potty & a
galley,
and you have to sleep on board for a certain number of nights per year.



NOYB wrote:
How many nights per year?


I don't know for sure. Ask an accountant. It's the same as
the number of nights you need to sleep in a 2nd home for it
to qualify for the same deduction.

DSK

No you don't, unless you are renting out the second home also.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Yep, you are right John.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:01:15 -0500, DSK wrote:

Fred Dehl wrote:
It's hard to qualify for a deduction when YOU PAY NO INCOME TAXES IN THE
FIRST PLACE. The bottom FIFTY PERCENT of taxpayers pays ONLY FIVE
PERCENT
of income taxes.

I see that a few people are still SHOUTING their stupid
political lies here. Obviously you did not bother to check
the IRS web site for actual tax figures. The truth is very
easy to find.

Hey Fred, got a boat?

As for the reason for tax deductions for the *interest* on
boat loans, it depends on your point of view. In one way, it
is an indirect subsidy for the banking industry. In another
way of looking at it, it's a fair way of stimulating the
economy by encouraging people to buy things.

FWIW we have used the boat loan interest deduction for
years. There are several criteria, among them that the boat
has to have a potty & a galley, and you have to sleep on
board for a certain number of nights per year.

DSK

The requirements for claiming the interest deduction on a boat as a
'second home' do
not include sleeping on it for 'a certain number of nights per year.


Yep!

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and it looks like all of us need to be very careful not to bite at bait,
even when it looks so tasty. Some people have been trying to destroy
rec.boats for so many years, that they are pros at turning any thread into a
flamefest.

If I screw up and take the bait, remind me.


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
Krause is still upset over the fact that he lost a discussion about boats
and the weights of power trains (engines/outdrives with me on Monday.




"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Harry,
When did Chuck Gould and all the other old timers become JimH's
facilitators?

The NG is better off without the mindless name calling.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Fred Dehl wrote:
Tamaroak wrote in news:576dnVxMv5qMfyTeRVn-
:

The poor in this country don't qualify for these deductions

It's hard to qualify for a deduction when YOU PAY NO INCOME TAXES IN
THE FIRST PLACE. The bottom FIFTY PERCENT of taxpayers pays ONLY FIVE
PERCENT of income taxes.


Your "facts" are wrong. But, of course, demonstrating that would be
making a political statement, and such thinking is verboten in this
mindless morass of born-again, part-time, goody two shoes. Just ask the
Rev. Jim or his facilitators.

Boat deductions
 

The funny thing is.........just last week he was singing my praises. Since
I repeatedly proved him wrong time and time again in the thread about boat
and engine/outdrive weights and construction he is back to listing me as a
bad guy.

I find that fact alone to be hysterical.


"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
and it looks like all of us need to be very careful not to bite at bait,
even when it looks so tasty. Some people have been trying to destroy
rec.boats for so many years, that they are pros at turning any thread into
a flamefest.

If I screw up and take the bait, remind me.


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
Krause is still upset over the fact that he lost a discussion about boats
and the weights of power trains (engines/outdrives with me on Monday.




"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Harry,
When did Chuck Gould and all the other old timers become JimH's
facilitators?

The NG is better off without the mindless name calling.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Fred Dehl wrote:
Tamaroak wrote in news:576dnVxMv5qMfyTeRVn-
:

The poor in this country don't qualify for these deductions

It's hard to qualify for a deduction when YOU PAY NO INCOME TAXES IN
THE FIRST PLACE. The bottom FIFTY PERCENT of taxpayers pays ONLY FIVE
PERCENT of income taxes.


Your "facts" are wrong. But, of course, demonstrating that would be
making a political statement, and such thinking is verboten in this
mindless morass of born-again, part-time, goody two shoes. Just ask the
Rev. Jim or his facilitators.

Boat deductions
 

JimH,
That is the new bait he is using. We all need to just ignore it and get
back on track. We as a group have fallen off of the wagon.


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..
The funny thing is.........just last week he was singing my praises.
Since I repeatedly proved him wrong time and time again in the thread
about boat and engine/outdrive weights and construction he is back to
listing me as a bad guy.

I find that fact alone to be hysterical.


"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
and it looks like all of us need to be very careful not to bite at bait,
even when it looks so tasty. Some people have been trying to destroy
rec.boats for so many years, that they are pros at turning any thread
into a flamefest.

If I screw up and take the bait, remind me.


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
Krause is still upset over the fact that he lost a discussion about
boats and the weights of power trains (engines/outdrives with me on
Monday.




"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Harry,
When did Chuck Gould and all the other old timers become JimH's
facilitators?

The NG is better off without the mindless name calling.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Fred Dehl wrote:
Tamaroak wrote in news:576dnVxMv5qMfyTeRVn-
:

The poor in this country don't qualify for these deductions

It's hard to qualify for a deduction when YOU PAY NO INCOME TAXES IN
THE FIRST PLACE. The bottom FIFTY PERCENT of taxpayers pays ONLY
FIVE PERCENT of income taxes.


Your "facts" are wrong. But, of course, demonstrating that would be
making a political statement, and such thinking is verboten in this
mindless morass of born-again, part-time, goody two shoes. Just ask
the Rev. Jim or his facilitators.

Boat deductions
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The only expenses I anticipate for my old barn are "haul away to the
dump" expenses. I have a good storage barn, but what I'd really like is
a full-fledged, cavernous genuine "farm barn" with a poured concrete
floor. Mucho dinero.

=================================

Probably true for conventional wood beam construction. I've seen some
interesting steel beam and skin construction recently that looks half
way affordable however. I was in one last week that was serving as a
wind surfer/kayak store (on topic), about 3,000 sq ft with 20+
ceilings. The owner said it came in at about $50/sq ft including the
slab and site prep.

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.

Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs and
was very impressed.

http://www.mortonbuildings.com/

Eisboch

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"DSK" wrote in message
...

Uh huh. And this all happens by itself? The gov't has nothing to do with
business, trade, laws, etc etc?

The social/economic/legal system that we operate under is what makes it
possible for the rich to buy these things. They don't "just happen."
Without gov't that system would not function. Is the light beginning to
dawn Fred?

DSK


Hey Fred, if the light ever dawns, pass it over to me so I can understand
this line of reasoning as well. By our social standards, I've been poor and
I've been rich. I didn't make the transition by relying on or taking
advantage of some government program, investment scheme or tax shelters. I
am too stupid for that. I also was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth
and I certainly didn't attend any Ivy League schools. I just worked my ass
off.

Eisboch

Boat deductions
 

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:16:14 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The only expenses I anticipate for my old barn are "haul away to the
dump" expenses. I have a good storage barn, but what I'd really like is
a full-fledged, cavernous genuine "farm barn" with a poured concrete
floor. Mucho dinero.

=================================

Probably true for conventional wood beam construction. I've seen some
interesting steel beam and skin construction recently that looks half
way affordable however. I was in one last week that was serving as a
wind surfer/kayak store (on topic), about 3,000 sq ft with 20+
ceilings. The owner said it came in at about $50/sq ft including the
slab and site prep.

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.

Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs and
was very impressed.

http://www.mortonbuildings.com/

Eisboch


Wow! The 'Less Bold' building here
http://www.mortonbuildings.com/Basic...llSheets_a.pdf
would be a welcome addition on any farm, I'd think!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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"DSK" wrote in message
...

Face facts NOBBY, the rich live better than the poor. They get a better
deal pretty much all the way around. So why should they not pay more for
the system that gives them such a good ride?


DSK


"So why should they not pay more for the system that gives them such a good
ride?"

That last sentence is the logical fallacy of your argument. I am sure this
will get your goat, and I mean in only in fun to make a point, but remember
Ronnie Wrinkles and his
"I paid for this microphone" retort?

Made a lot of sense to a lot of people.

Eisboch

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"DSK" wrote in message
t...


Think that over again, Fred. Why are rich people rich? Because they do it
all themselves?

I'll help... make a list of what rich people do. Then make a list of all
the jobs that go into maintaining a luxury estate home & golf course &
yacht. Get back to me with all the items in common on both lists, OK?

DSK


I think I am going to throw up.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
I think I am going to throw up.


Over the lee rail, please.

Now, when you went from poor to rich. please tell me (and
any other interested parties still following this thread,
which seems to be a greater number than I would have
believed) how you did so in the complete & total absense of
any banks, schools, roads, legal system, monetary system,
etc etc.

If you claim that rich people do it all themselves, and
therefor deserve everything, this should be a clear & easy
thing thing to explain.

Regards
Doug King

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--
************************************************** *************************

If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please don't feed the trolls.
Ignore all off topic posts and flames.

************************************************** **************************
"DSK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
I think I am going to throw up.


Over the lee rail, please.

Now, when you went from poor to rich. please tell me (and any other
interested parties still following this thread, which seems to be a
greater number than I would have believed) how you did so in the complete
& total absense of any banks, schools, roads, legal system, monetary
system, etc etc.

If you claim that rich people do it all themselves, and therefor deserve
everything, this should be a clear & easy thing thing to explain.

Regards
Doug King

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
I think I am going to throw up.


Over the lee rail, please.

Now, when you went from poor to rich. please tell me (and any other
interested parties still following this thread, which seems to be a
greater number than I would have believed) how you did so in the complete
& total absense of any banks, schools, roads, legal system, monetary
system, etc etc.

If you claim that rich people do it all themselves, and therefor deserve
everything, this should be a clear & easy thing thing to explain.

Regards
Doug King


Please ask Fred to pass me the light. I just don't get it. Well, I do
understand your point of view, but have a hard time believing it has
anything to do with the real world.

For example, I was fortunate enough to somewhat achieve my goals in *spite*
of banks, schools, lawyers and all the federal, state and local ordnance
obstacles thrown in a small business's path over the years. Believe me,
they don't make it easy for anyone.

Oh, yes, I'll admit I used roads and wrote and received checks to my
advantage. :-)

Eisboch

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--
Skipper

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Eisboch wrote:
Please ask Fred to pass me the light. I just don't get it.

Actually I think you do, but Fred probably never will.


.... Well, I do
understand your point of view, but have a hard time believing it has
anything to do with the real world.


My POV is totally centered in the real world, thanks.

For example, I was fortunate enough to somewhat achieve my goals in *spite*
of banks, schools, lawyers and all the federal, state and local ordnance
obstacles thrown in a small business's path over the years. Believe me,
they don't make it easy for anyone.


Of course not. It's only easy for people who have such a
big head start that they can coast... which ain't me fer sher.



Oh, yes, I'll admit I used roads and wrote and received checks to my
advantage. :-)


I guess that you employed people and entered into contracts,
and accepted payments, too. That last is kinda hard without
banks.

Now, this may help explain why I consdier my point of view
so very realistic...

How would you go about becoming rich on a desert island? And
what good would a huge pile of money do you there? (see,
this *is* boat related after all!)

It is only in relation to the rest of society that "rich"
matters, and it is only by using the functions of the rest
of society that "rich" is even possible.

A very large number of people work their ass off, and never
get rich. Sometimes it's because they are dumb, other times
because they have bad luck, others because they are in such
disadvantaged conditions that they cannot break out.

A large number of poor people hate the rich. If you take
this attitude far enough, you arrive at Bolshevism which is
merely destructive. Of course there is the corollary, that
rich people hate the poor. This can also be taken further
and say they *should* hate the poor (and carry out
legal/economic/social programs to punish them, which
requires politics) is every bit as destructive... and this
is the way the Republican Party seems to be going these
days... although the past few months it may be pulling back
from the brink.

In most times & places in the world, things were run by the
rich for their own benefit. This country is run by the rich,
with some benefits grudgingly handed out to lower levels of
society (some of which have really lifted up all, like
public education), and with the possiblity that a poor man
can become rich without necessarily becoming a shyster.

I don't really think I'm going to change anybody's mind
here, but I'm morally obligated to try. And it would be nice
if one or two people actually thought about it a little,
even if they fall back into the same rut they were in before.

DSK

Morton Buildings
 

Eisboch wrote:

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.

Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs and
was very impressed.

http://www.mortonbuildings.com/

Remember this post from April 1998:

Harry Krause wrote:

BTW, Skip, how many hours so far this year have you used your boat?

The boat is still being stored in a Morton building. Don't do it as
often as I did when younger. Spent 10 days on Sea of Cortez around
the first of the year. Had wanted to return in February but El Nino
had me just too paranoid, so didn't go. Going to Shangri-La on Monkey
Island at Grand Lake for 3 days next week. Going back to Sea of Cortez
for 2 weeks within next 90 days.

Daughter and her husband have a 150'x90' Morton building out on 400
acres they are now developing into a sand and gravel mining operation.
The building looks as good now as the day it was built.

--
Skipper





--
Skipper







--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:18:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

The only expenses I anticipate for my old barn are "haul away to
the dump" expenses. I have a good storage barn, but what I'd really
like is a full-fledged, cavernous genuine "farm barn" with a poured
concrete floor. Mucho dinero.

=================================

Probably true for conventional wood beam construction. I've seen some
interesting steel beam and skin construction recently that looks half
way affordable however. I was in one last week that was serving as a
wind surfer/kayak store (on topic), about 3,000 sq ft with 20+
ceilings. The owner said it came in at about $50/sq ft including the
slab and site prep.

Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.


Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs
and was very impressed.

http://www.mortonbuildings.com/

Eisboch


Some of those aren't so bad.

My falling down barn is an old Maryland tobacco barn, and I really like
the plain-jane style.

If I get serious about this, I'll probably visit some of the Amish
carpenters around here, some of whom I've seen working on barn repair.

Thanks for the lead.


There's a thought.
On my samll 40' x 100' city lot, I have an old single car garage that's
in rough shape. The smart thing would be to tear it down, haul debris to
the landfill and pour a slab for new framing. To avoid getting caught
in new city regulations, I'm going to strip the roof asphalt shingles,
the wall cedar shingles, cut out any rotten framing , jack up what's
left, pour a slab and then attach any new framing required. I'll install
a new asphalt roof and probably vinyl siding. I plan to lengthen the
garage by two feet so I can store my Sandpiper 565 inside.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...

I don't really think I'm going to change anybody's mind here, but I'm
morally obligated to try. And it would be nice if one or two people
actually thought about it a little, even if they fall back into the same
rut they were in before.

DSK


'Tis what makes the world go around .....

Peace.

Eisboch

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how you did so in the complete & total absense of
any banks, schools, roads, legal system, monetary system,
etc etc.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Everyone has equal access to all of this.

Oh, I see.

Do you feel that believing in fairy tales at your age is a
handicap, Fred? Prob'ly not.

DSK

Morton Buildings
 

Skipper wrote:

Eisboch wrote:


Ahh, yes, but the steel buildings I have seen are butt ugly.



Check these guys out. I've been involved in one of their custom jobs and
was very impressed.



http://www.mortonbuildings.com/


Remember this post from April 1998:


Harry Krause wrote:



BTW, Skip, how many hours so far this year have you used your boat?


The boat is still being stored in a Morton building. Don't do it as
often as I did when younger. Spent 10 days on Sea of Cortez around
the first of the year. Had wanted to return in February but El Nino
had me just too paranoid, so didn't go. Going to Shangri-La on Monkey
Island at Grand Lake for 3 days next week. Going back to Sea of Cortez
for 2 weeks within next 90 days.


Daughter and her husband have a 150'x90' Morton building out on 400
acres they are now developing into a sand and gravel mining operation.
The building looks as good now as the day it was built.


Crazy Dave,

Why do you insist on starting a new thread with an old one? Dan says
it's insane.

-----
Dan

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Eisboch wrote:
'Tis what makes the world go around .....


That makes it almost sound constructive! Thanks!


Peace.


'K

I was going to stop anyway, honest. At least, for now.

Peace to you & yours

Doug King

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
...

I don't really think I'm going to change anybody's mind here, but I'm
morally obligated to try. And it would be nice if one or two people
actually thought about it a little, even if they fall back into the
same
rut they were in before.

DSK


'Tis what makes the world go around .....

The "I know better than you arguement" LMAO typical


Peace.

Eisboch

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Fred Dehl wrote:
Everyone has equal access to all of this.


Oh, I see.

Do you feel that believing in fairy tales at your age is a
handicap, Fred? Prob'ly not.


Fred Dehl wrote:
Well, I see you've once again resorted to a tantrum of delusion.


"Tantrum of delusion" because I don't believe in your fairy
tale?


But I'm feeling charitable, so I'll humor you long enough to ask whether
your comment means:

a) you acknowledge that, compared to private schools, government-run
schools are incompetent and clueless monopolies with no incentive to
provide a quality education;

b) you're the typical left-wing closet racist who believes the poor can't
learn no matter the quality of the educational opportunity presented to
them.

Neither.

My comment means that "Everybody has equal access to all
these" is in no way an accurate statement of the real
situation in this country. It's not even true in theory any
more; it was always an idealistic goal and has been dropped.

Well as I said in another post, I'm done... you can stew in
your own bitter fantasies. Try to think more about boats,
Fred, it might make you a happier person.

DSK