Cat costs
 

I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

Cat costs
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg



More fiberglass, more complicated hull and top mold, more willingness on
the part of fewer buys to spend bigger bucks.

I'm wondering if they are worth it. They are supposedly more fuel efficient
and stable, but if you have to spend 50k extra, then is it worth it?

For now, I'm not in the market, content with my 25 foot cruiser. In 10
years, my wife and I want to cruise the Great Loop. Hopefully then, the
pre-own market will be lower.

-Greg

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"Dene" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg



More fiberglass, more complicated hull and top mold, more willingness on
the part of fewer buys to spend bigger bucks.

I'm wondering if they are worth it. They are supposedly more fuel
efficient
and stable, but if you have to spend 50k extra, then is it worth it?

You can go on boating forums all over the internet and find thousands of
posts from boater on each side of the aisle on this one. The cat guys swear
by them...but admit that there are quirky handling traits, particularly in
beam and quartering seas.

Cat costs
 

Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

(Gremlins ate my first reply, sorry if it shows up later and this turns
out to be a duplicate).

IMO, cats are only "at least 1/3 higher than a monohull" if all you are
comparing is LOA.
If you compare total cockpit space, total interior, total deck space,
etc, you will usually find the cats are pretty competitive with larger
monohulls.

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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

(Gremlins ate my first reply, sorry if it shows up later and this turns
out to be a duplicate).

IMO, cats are only "at least 1/3 higher than a monohull" if all you are
comparing is LOA.
If you compare total cockpit space, total interior, total deck space,
etc, you will usually find the cats are pretty competitive with larger
monohulls.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the roomy factor. Read your "ride" on
the Cat Concept nz29. I'm hoping this boat will be here in Portland during
our boat show. Curious though....didn't this experience make you want to
turn in your trawler for one of these? It seems you can go 10 knots just as
easy as going 30 knots, whereas on my 25 footer, if I go slow, it wobbles
like a wounded duck. It's either trolling speed, 28 mph (cruising) or top
speed. A cat is smooth at all speeds....correct?

-Greg

Ps. Go Seahawks (been a diehard fan since the Zorn to Largent days)

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Dene wrote:
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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

(Gremlins ate my first reply, sorry if it shows up later and this turns
out to be a duplicate).

IMO, cats are only "at least 1/3 higher than a monohull" if all you are
comparing is LOA.
If you compare total cockpit space, total interior, total deck space,
etc, you will usually find the cats are pretty competitive with larger
monohulls.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the roomy factor. Read your "ride" on
the Cat Concept nz29. I'm hoping this boat will be here in Portland during
our boat show. Curious though....didn't this experience make you want to
turn in your trawler for one of these? It seems you can go 10 knots just as
easy as going 30 knots, whereas on my 25 footer, if I go slow, it wobbles
like a wounded duck. It's either trolling speed, 28 mph (cruising) or top
speed. A cat is smooth at all speeds....correct?

-Greg

Ps. Go Seahawks (been a diehard fan since the Zorn to Largent days)


The Seattle dealer for the nz29 is in the process of "repositioning" in
the market. I don't know if there is a Portland dealer for the boat.

The Glacier Bay "Columbia" series that I recently sea trialed for the
magazine will be at the Portland Boat Show. Glacier Bay has a new
dealer down there, Aman Marine. Mr. Aman was aboard the Glacier Bay
during the sea trials, and he seems like a decent guy. He is very much
into the fishing aspect of the pastime.

No, I won't be trading my trawler for a catamaran. However, if I were
in the market for a much faster boat I would not rule out a cat.
Critics will remark about the outboard "list" of a cat in extremely
tight, high speed turns without recognizing that a monohull of equal
LOA would *never* be able to turn that quickly, so that comparison to
monohull handling is moot from the get-go.

On a breezy winter day with our typical Puget Sound short, steep, chop
we ran at WOT into head seas without any notable spray and we could
have had brimfull coffee cups on the dinette table without slopping a
drop. One could probably find some sea states where a monohull would be
more stable or comfortable than a catamaran, but an equal length
monohull would have been slowed to displacement speeds and still
pounding somewhat in those same head seas.

(The next issue of our magazine has the Glacier Bay Columbia on the
cover, and contains the final feature text and the photos. It will be
available at the Seattle Boat Show this week, and in our customary
Portland locations the week following. Pick up a free copy if you're
interested in cats.)

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Dene wrote:
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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and
have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

(Gremlins ate my first reply, sorry if it shows up later and this turns
out to be a duplicate).

IMO, cats are only "at least 1/3 higher than a monohull" if all you are
comparing is LOA.
If you compare total cockpit space, total interior, total deck space,
etc, you will usually find the cats are pretty competitive with larger
monohulls.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the roomy factor. Read your "ride"
on
the Cat Concept nz29. I'm hoping this boat will be here in Portland
during
our boat show. Curious though....didn't this experience make you want to
turn in your trawler for one of these? It seems you can go 10 knots just
as
easy as going 30 knots, whereas on my 25 footer, if I go slow, it wobbles
like a wounded duck. It's either trolling speed, 28 mph (cruising) or
top
speed. A cat is smooth at all speeds....correct?

-Greg

Ps. Go Seahawks (been a diehard fan since the Zorn to Largent days)


The Seattle dealer for the nz29 is in the process of "repositioning" in
the market. I don't know if there is a Portland dealer for the boat.

The Glacier Bay "Columbia" series that I recently sea trialed for the
magazine will be at the Portland Boat Show. Glacier Bay has a new
dealer down there, Aman Marine. Mr. Aman was aboard the Glacier Bay
during the sea trials, and he seems like a decent guy. He is very much
into the fishing aspect of the pastime.

No, I won't be trading my trawler for a catamaran. However, if I were
in the market for a much faster boat I would not rule out a cat.
Critics will remark about the outboard "list" of a cat in extremely
tight, high speed turns without recognizing that a monohull of equal
LOA would *never* be able to turn that quickly, so that comparison to
monohull handling is moot from the get-go.

On a breezy winter day with our typical Puget Sound short, steep, chop
we ran at WOT into head seas without any notable spray and we could
have had brimfull coffee cups on the dinette table without slopping a
drop. One could probably find some sea states where a monohull would be
more stable or comfortable than a catamaran, but an equal length
monohull would have been slowed to displacement speeds and still
pounding somewhat in those same head seas.

(The next issue of our magazine has the Glacier Bay Columbia on the
cover, and contains the final feature text and the photos. It will be
available at the Seattle Boat Show this week, and in our customary
Portland locations the week following. Pick up a free copy if you're
interested in cats.)


I looked at the Glacier Bays, and a friend has a Kevlar Kat. I like the
ride, but I was looking at it for week long trips, and the center of the
boat being non-existent below the waterline, makes for a very poor setup for
cruising like I want to do. At least in the 27-28' boats.

Cat costs
 

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Dene wrote:
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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and
have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

(Gremlins ate my first reply, sorry if it shows up later and this turns
out to be a duplicate).

IMO, cats are only "at least 1/3 higher than a monohull" if all you are
comparing is LOA.
If you compare total cockpit space, total interior, total deck space,
etc, you will usually find the cats are pretty competitive with larger
monohulls.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the roomy factor. Read your "ride"
on
the Cat Concept nz29. I'm hoping this boat will be here in Portland
during
our boat show. Curious though....didn't this experience make you want to
turn in your trawler for one of these? It seems you can go 10 knots just
as
easy as going 30 knots, whereas on my 25 footer, if I go slow, it wobbles
like a wounded duck. It's either trolling speed, 28 mph (cruising) or
top
speed. A cat is smooth at all speeds....correct?

-Greg

Ps. Go Seahawks (been a diehard fan since the Zorn to Largent days)


The Seattle dealer for the nz29 is in the process of "repositioning" in
the market. I don't know if there is a Portland dealer for the boat.

The Glacier Bay "Columbia" series that I recently sea trialed for the
magazine will be at the Portland Boat Show. Glacier Bay has a new
dealer down there, Aman Marine. Mr. Aman was aboard the Glacier Bay
during the sea trials, and he seems like a decent guy. He is very much
into the fishing aspect of the pastime.

No, I won't be trading my trawler for a catamaran. However, if I were
in the market for a much faster boat I would not rule out a cat.
Critics will remark about the outboard "list" of a cat in extremely
tight, high speed turns without recognizing that a monohull of equal
LOA would *never* be able to turn that quickly, so that comparison to
monohull handling is moot from the get-go.

On a breezy winter day with our typical Puget Sound short, steep, chop
we ran at WOT into head seas without any notable spray and we could
have had brimfull coffee cups on the dinette table without slopping a
drop. One could probably find some sea states where a monohull would be
more stable or comfortable than a catamaran, but an equal length
monohull would have been slowed to displacement speeds and still
pounding somewhat in those same head seas.

(The next issue of our magazine has the Glacier Bay Columbia on the
cover, and contains the final feature text and the photos. It will be
available at the Seattle Boat Show this week, and in our customary
Portland locations the week following. Pick up a free copy if you're
interested in cats.)


I looked at the Glacier Bays, and a friend has a Kevlar Kat. I like the
ride, but I was looking at it for week long trips, and the center of the
boat being non-existent below the waterline, makes for a very poor setup for
cruising like I want to do. At least in the 27-28' boats.

There are a couple of cat models I'm aware of that offer considerably
more space, of certain types, than monohulls with space below the
waterline. The new Cat by C-Dory has a berth that measures something
like 70 square feet and an enclosed, stand up head and shower. The cold
storage on that boat would need to be supplemented with an ice chest
for a week-long cruise if you didn't put into port once in a while.
That boat is 26' LOA.

The Glacier Bay 34 Columbia, while certainly a larger boat than 27-28
foot models, has a queen size berth with over 6-feet of stand-up
dressing room, a full stand-up head with separate shower stall, a well
equipped galley with *two* standard size Norcold undercounter
fridge/freezers and a second stateroom that converts to an office. With
two staterooms and a queen size berth the 34 has as many amenities as a
lot of 34-footers, with a much larger main deck and salon area. A week
or more aboard the "Columbia" would be easy to do, but as you note it
isn't a 27 or 28 foot boat.

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Bill McKee wrote:
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Dene wrote:
wrote in message
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Dene wrote:
I've been doing some research on various powerboat catamarins and
have
noticed they have one thing in common....exorbant price. At least
a
third
higher than a monohull.

Anybody know why?

-Greg

(Gremlins ate my first reply, sorry if it shows up later and this
turns
out to be a duplicate).

IMO, cats are only "at least 1/3 higher than a monohull" if all you
are
comparing is LOA.
If you compare total cockpit space, total interior, total deck
space,
etc, you will usually find the cats are pretty competitive with
larger
monohulls.

Good points. I hadn't thought about the roomy factor. Read your
"ride"
on
the Cat Concept nz29. I'm hoping this boat will be here in Portland
during
our boat show. Curious though....didn't this experience make you want
to
turn in your trawler for one of these? It seems you can go 10 knots
just
as
easy as going 30 knots, whereas on my 25 footer, if I go slow, it
wobbles
like a wounded duck. It's either trolling speed, 28 mph (cruising) or
top
speed. A cat is smooth at all speeds....correct?

-Greg

Ps. Go Seahawks (been a diehard fan since the Zorn to Largent days)


The Seattle dealer for the nz29 is in the process of "repositioning" in
the market. I don't know if there is a Portland dealer for the boat.

The Glacier Bay "Columbia" series that I recently sea trialed for the
magazine will be at the Portland Boat Show. Glacier Bay has a new
dealer down there, Aman Marine. Mr. Aman was aboard the Glacier Bay
during the sea trials, and he seems like a decent guy. He is very much
into the fishing aspect of the pastime.

No, I won't be trading my trawler for a catamaran. However, if I were
in the market for a much faster boat I would not rule out a cat.
Critics will remark about the outboard "list" of a cat in extremely
tight, high speed turns without recognizing that a monohull of equal
LOA would *never* be able to turn that quickly, so that comparison to
monohull handling is moot from the get-go.

On a breezy winter day with our typical Puget Sound short, steep, chop
we ran at WOT into head seas without any notable spray and we could
have had brimfull coffee cups on the dinette table without slopping a
drop. One could probably find some sea states where a monohull would be
more stable or comfortable than a catamaran, but an equal length
monohull would have been slowed to displacement speeds and still
pounding somewhat in those same head seas.

(The next issue of our magazine has the Glacier Bay Columbia on the
cover, and contains the final feature text and the photos. It will be
available at the Seattle Boat Show this week, and in our customary
Portland locations the week following. Pick up a free copy if you're
interested in cats.)


I looked at the Glacier Bays, and a friend has a Kevlar Kat. I like the
ride, but I was looking at it for week long trips, and the center of the
boat being non-existent below the waterline, makes for a very poor setup
for
cruising like I want to do. At least in the 27-28' boats.

There are a couple of cat models I'm aware of that offer considerably
more space, of certain types, than monohulls with space below the
waterline. The new Cat by C-Dory has a berth that measures something
like 70 square feet and an enclosed, stand up head and shower. The cold
storage on that boat would need to be supplemented with an ice chest
for a week-long cruise if you didn't put into port once in a while.
That boat is 26' LOA.

The Glacier Bay 34 Columbia, while certainly a larger boat than 27-28
foot models, has a queen size berth with over 6-feet of stand-up
dressing room, a full stand-up head with separate shower stall, a well
equipped galley with *two* standard size Norcold undercounter
fridge/freezers and a second stateroom that converts to an office. With
two staterooms and a queen size berth the 34 has as many amenities as a
lot of 34-footers, with a much larger main deck and salon area. A week
or more aboard the "Columbia" would be easy to do, but as you note it
isn't a 27 or 28 foot boat.


This is not for long range cruising. This is spend a month in the San
Juans, with some B&B time thrown in. Same with the Keys, and maybe put it
on a barge to the Virgin Islands.