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Harry Krause wrote: What wax do you use to keep the rims of your boat trailer wheels shiny? C'mon Harry. You can contribute something useful. You have the knowledge and the communication skills. Yes, the tone of the NG has changed. Hopefully for good. If your parody indicates that you find the content boring or sophomoric then liven it up, (with on-topic material presented in a civil manner). Making fun of some of the content here isn't going to get everybody back to arguing politics with you, (hopefully). Rebuilding this NG is a process, not an event. With 99% of the political bickering and name calling swept aside we will eventually attract a greater number of boaters to the NG and many of them will have useful comments, challenging questions, and specific expertise to share. Give it a chance. We've been like the residents of a trashed out shack that pile sewage and garbage in the front yard and then complain that there isn't a better class of people moving into the vacant houses on either side. Every day we get beyond the "old" rec.boats the better our prospects for permanent success. The group is proving that it can be done. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Harry Krause wrote: What wax do you use to keep the rims of your boat trailer wheels shiny? C'mon Harry. You can contribute something useful. You have the knowledge and the communication skills. (snipped) Ah, let him be, Chuck. At least he has returned to the humor we enjoyed years ago. Personally, I could care less about name calling and such - some of it is quite funny and entertaining, and afterall, it's only a NG. It was just the ceaseless politics that got on my nerves. I think having a few good yuks is consistent with the boating interest or lifestyle. Eisboch |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 30 Dec 2005 09:32:14 -0800, wrote: Every day we get beyond the "old" rec.boats the better our prospects for permanent success. The group is proving that it can be done. =========================== And I'm pleasantly surprised at what an amazing transformation it has been. Congratulations to all concerned. We're going boating for the weekend so I'll be offline for a few days. Hopefully the truce will still be in effect when we get back. Our oldest son (the law student) is here with his GF and they've decided that they'd like to ring in the new year on the boat. It didn't take too much arm twisting to talk me into it. We'll probably head north up Pine Island Sound towards Cayo Costa Island. Cayo Costa and North Captiva both have long, nearly deserted beaches directly on the Gulf of Mexico. They're great places for shelling and beach combing in general, lots of exotic birds, and beautiful turquoise green tropical water. People have also been known to catch some nice Redfish and Tarpon up that way but it's early in the season for that. Temperature forecast for the weekend is around 80 degrees, should be nice. Happy New Year everyone, and good boating. You just *had* to rub it in. We got snow coming for New Years. Seriously, have a great time and Happy New Year. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 30 Dec 2005 09:32:14 -0800, wrote: Every day we get beyond the "old" rec.boats the better our prospects for permanent success. The group is proving that it can be done. =========================== And I'm pleasantly surprised at what an amazing transformation it has been. Congratulations to all concerned. We're going boating for the weekend so I'll be offline for a few days. Hopefully the truce will still be in effect when we get back. Our oldest son (the law student) is here with his GF and they've decided that they'd like to ring in the new year on the boat. It didn't take too much arm twisting to talk me into it. We'll probably head north up Pine Island Sound towards Cayo Costa Island. Cayo Costa and North Captiva both have long, nearly deserted beaches directly on the Gulf of Mexico. They're great places for shelling and beach combing in general, lots of exotic birds, and beautiful turquoise green tropical water. People have also been known to catch some nice Redfish and Tarpon up that way but it's early in the season for that. Temperature forecast for the weekend is around 80 degrees, should be nice. Happy New Year everyone, and good boating. You just *had* to rub it in. We got snow coming for New Years. Seriously, have a great time and Happy New Year. Eisboch We have rain, cold rain in the 50's, and wind. Big surf. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:27:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Dec 2005 09:32:14 -0800, wrote: Every day we get beyond the "old" rec.boats the better our prospects for permanent success. The group is proving that it can be done. =========================== And I'm pleasantly surprised at what an amazing transformation it has been. Congratulations to all concerned. We're going boating for the weekend so I'll be offline for a few days. Hopefully the truce will still be in effect when we get back. Our oldest son (the law student) is here with his GF and they've decided that they'd like to ring in the new year on the boat. It didn't take too much arm twisting to talk me into it. We'll probably head north up Pine Island Sound towards Cayo Costa Island. Cayo Costa and North Captiva both have long, nearly deserted beaches directly on the Gulf of Mexico. They're great places for shelling and beach combing in general, lots of exotic birds, and beautiful turquoise green tropical water. People have also been known to catch some nice Redfish and Tarpon up that way but it's early in the season for that. Temperature forecast for the weekend is around 80 degrees, should be nice. Happy New Year everyone, and good boating. And here I'm wondering if it will be warm enough to go to a driving range! It was warm enough to walk 18 today! |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:59:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message roups.com... Harry Krause wrote: What wax do you use to keep the rims of your boat trailer wheels shiny? C'mon Harry. You can contribute something useful. You have the knowledge and the communication skills. (snipped) Ah, let him be, Chuck. At least he has returned to the humor we enjoyed years ago. Personally, I could care less about name calling and such - some of it is quite funny and entertaining, and afterall, it's only a NG. It was just the ceaseless politics that got on my nerves. I think having a few good yuks is consistent with the boating interest or lifestyle. Eisboch Disagree. I wouldn't mind the politics if it didn't lead to the vulgar name-calling and bitterness that went with it. The problem is that politics can't be discussed without resorting to 'attack-mode', which is why *both* should be banned. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:48:10 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:27:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Dec 2005 09:32:14 -0800, wrote: Every day we get beyond the "old" rec.boats the better our prospects for permanent success. The group is proving that it can be done. =========================== And I'm pleasantly surprised at what an amazing transformation it has been. Congratulations to all concerned. We're going boating for the weekend so I'll be offline for a few days. Hopefully the truce will still be in effect when we get back. Our oldest son (the law student) is here with his GF and they've decided that they'd like to ring in the new year on the boat. It didn't take too much arm twisting to talk me into it. We'll probably head north up Pine Island Sound towards Cayo Costa Island. Cayo Costa and North Captiva both have long, nearly deserted beaches directly on the Gulf of Mexico. They're great places for shelling and beach combing in general, lots of exotic birds, and beautiful turquoise green tropical water. People have also been known to catch some nice Redfish and Tarpon up that way but it's early in the season for that. Temperature forecast for the weekend is around 80 degrees, should be nice. Happy New Year everyone, and good boating. And here I'm wondering if it will be warm enough to go to a driving range! It was warm enough to walk 18 today! Yeah, I went to the range today. Had to try out my new home-made 'woods'. Love 'em. I should have walked 18, but had already set up a meeting at the driving range with my 'coach'. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:57:43 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:48:10 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:27:02 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Dec 2005 09:32:14 -0800, wrote: Every day we get beyond the "old" rec.boats the better our prospects for permanent success. The group is proving that it can be done. =========================== And I'm pleasantly surprised at what an amazing transformation it has been. Congratulations to all concerned. We're going boating for the weekend so I'll be offline for a few days. Hopefully the truce will still be in effect when we get back. Our oldest son (the law student) is here with his GF and they've decided that they'd like to ring in the new year on the boat. It didn't take too much arm twisting to talk me into it. We'll probably head north up Pine Island Sound towards Cayo Costa Island. Cayo Costa and North Captiva both have long, nearly deserted beaches directly on the Gulf of Mexico. They're great places for shelling and beach combing in general, lots of exotic birds, and beautiful turquoise green tropical water. People have also been known to catch some nice Redfish and Tarpon up that way but it's early in the season for that. Temperature forecast for the weekend is around 80 degrees, should be nice. Happy New Year everyone, and good boating. And here I'm wondering if it will be warm enough to go to a driving range! It was warm enough to walk 18 today! 18 what? Eighteen laps around the pond casting for trout? Would you believe that? -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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JohnH wrote:
Disagree. I wouldn't mind the politics if it didn't lead to the vulgar name-calling and bitterness that went with it. The problem is that politics can't be discussed without resorting to 'attack-mode', which is why *both* should be banned. /*$.02 I don't think any topics should be "banned" (as if you could). I prefer voluntary self restraint and occasionally seeing things I don't like to vacuous and boring. */$.02 -rick- |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
It was warm enough to walk 18 today! Walk 18 what...miles, kilometers, furlongs...?? |
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Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote: It was warm enough to walk 18 today! Walk 18 what...miles, kilometers, furlongs...?? Never mind...I assume it's 'holes'. |
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-rick- wrote: /*$.02 I don't think any topics should be "banned" (as if you could). I prefer voluntary self restraint and occasionally seeing things I don't like to vacuous and boring. */$.02 -rick- Here's a fair question for you: if the newsgroup is vacuous and boring without the bitchy name calling and political fights, (as that is all that is missing from before), 1) Can you assist in providing some more stimulating boating content? or 2) If you're not interested in the boating content, would "rec.boats" be the best NG for you? It would have to be acknowledged as reality that people who hung out here simply to watch the daily stink fights must be very disappointed with the group these last couple of weeks. |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:19:57 -0800, -rick- wrote:
JohnH wrote: Disagree. I wouldn't mind the politics if it didn't lead to the vulgar name-calling and bitterness that went with it. The problem is that politics can't be discussed without resorting to 'attack-mode', which is why *both* should be banned. /*$.02 I don't think any topics should be "banned" (as if you could). I prefer voluntary self restraint and occasionally seeing things I don't like to vacuous and boring. */$.02 -rick- edit: ...*both* should be voluntarily self restrained! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:44:46 GMT, Don White wrote:
Don White wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: It was warm enough to walk 18 today! Walk 18 what...miles, kilometers, furlongs...?? Never mind...I assume it's 'holes'. That's what I assumed! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: -rick- wrote: /*$.02 I don't think any topics should be "banned" (as if you could). I prefer voluntary self restraint and occasionally seeing things I don't like to vacuous and boring. */$.02 -rick- Here's a fair question for you: if the newsgroup is vacuous and boring without the bitchy name calling and political fights, (as that is all that is missing from before), 1) Can you assist in providing some more stimulating boating content? or 2) If you're not interested in the boating content, would "rec.boats" be the best NG for you? It would have to be acknowledged as reality that people who hung out here simply to watch the daily stink fights must be very disappointed with the group these last couple of weeks. Most of "the stink" resides permanently in my kill file. |
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"-rick-" wrote in message . .. wrote: -rick- wrote: /*$.02 I don't think any topics should be "banned" (as if you could). I prefer voluntary self restraint and occasionally seeing things I don't like to vacuous and boring. */$.02 -rick- Here's a fair question for you: if the newsgroup is vacuous and boring without the bitchy name calling and political fights, (as that is all that is missing from before), 1) Can you assist in providing some more stimulating boating content? or 2) If you're not interested in the boating content, would "rec.boats" be the best NG for you? It would have to be acknowledged as reality that people who hung out here simply to watch the daily stink fights must be very disappointed with the group these last couple of weeks. ???? Hey Chuck, I apparently failed to make myself understood. Let's try that again. I did not say and don't think that the news group is vacuous and boring without bitchy name calling and political fights. That is a welcome change. My point was that *if* most of us can manage self restraint there will be no need for banned topics or any one attempting to impose censor like control. I was drawing a contrast between extremes and expressing my preference that we not overshoot and become overly bland and narrow. We likely have common goals; an enjoyable, informative and interesting forum. I prefer that it mostly relate to boating but have no problem with cordial tangents or even lively debate on virtually any subject. I do appreciate the improved tone and congratulate you for your persuasive efforts and all posters for the results achieved. As to your questions: 1) I try to contribute when I have something relevant to add and also occasionally post something irrelevant as if I were talking with friends. 2) If I were not interested in boating content I wouldn't be here. Chuck highlights the difference between liberal/progressives and conservatives once again. Chuck wants to exert control and the other side wants to rely upon self-control. |
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Bert,
I think everyone including Chuck, has recommended personal self-control. Since this is an unmoderated NG it would be silly for anyone to recommend anyone "exert control". "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "-rick-" wrote in message . .. wrote: -rick- wrote: /*$.02 I don't think any topics should be "banned" (as if you could). I prefer voluntary self restraint and occasionally seeing things I don't like to vacuous and boring. */$.02 -rick- Here's a fair question for you: if the newsgroup is vacuous and boring without the bitchy name calling and political fights, (as that is all that is missing from before), 1) Can you assist in providing some more stimulating boating content? or 2) If you're not interested in the boating content, would "rec.boats" be the best NG for you? It would have to be acknowledged as reality that people who hung out here simply to watch the daily stink fights must be very disappointed with the group these last couple of weeks. ???? Hey Chuck, I apparently failed to make myself understood. Let's try that again. I did not say and don't think that the news group is vacuous and boring without bitchy name calling and political fights. That is a welcome change. My point was that *if* most of us can manage self restraint there will be no need for banned topics or any one attempting to impose censor like control. I was drawing a contrast between extremes and expressing my preference that we not overshoot and become overly bland and narrow. We likely have common goals; an enjoyable, informative and interesting forum. I prefer that it mostly relate to boating but have no problem with cordial tangents or even lively debate on virtually any subject. I do appreciate the improved tone and congratulate you for your persuasive efforts and all posters for the results achieved. As to your questions: 1) I try to contribute when I have something relevant to add and also occasionally post something irrelevant as if I were talking with friends. 2) If I were not interested in boating content I wouldn't be here. Chuck highlights the difference between liberal/progressives and conservatives once again. Chuck wants to exert control and the other side wants to rely upon self-control. |
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Reggie Smithers wrote:
Bert, I think everyone including Chuck, has recommended personal self-control. Since this is an unmoderated NG it would be silly for anyone to recommend anyone "exert control". Yes...that's the voice of reason. When any one poster preaches, issues directives or tries to exert control over other posters, you can expect some will rebel. |
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Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck highlights the difference between liberal/progressives and conservatives once again. Chuck wants to exert control and the other side wants to rely upon self-control. Happy New Year, Bert I thought we'd lost you. Glad to see you're still aboard. Any insights on the differences between the way that liberals and conservatives boat? (That's "boat", with a "b") :-) Nobody can control anybody else. The change you're viewing in the NG is the result of self control among most of the previous worst offenders. Surprising difference, isn't it? |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:57:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: Chuck highlights the difference between liberal/progressives and conservatives once again. Chuck wants to exert control and the other side wants to rely upon self-control. Happy New Year, Bert I thought we'd lost you. Glad to see you're still aboard. Any insights on the differences between the way that liberals and conservatives boat? (That's "boat", with a "b") :-) Nobody can control anybody else. The change you're viewing in the NG is the result of self control among most of the previous worst offenders. Surprising difference, isn't it? I can't recall one *not one* post Bert ever contributed to this newsgroup that had interesting or informative boating content. I realize that "interesting or informative" is subjective, but by any standards, Bert's few boating-related posts here take banal to a lower level. In case I forget, what with the partying and all, Happy New Year to you too, Harry!!!! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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"JohnH" wrote ... edit: ...*both* should be voluntarily self restrained! Thanks for getting my (pedantic) point. -rick- |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote ... Chuck highlights the difference between liberal/progressives and conservatives once again. Chuck wants to exert control and the other side wants to rely upon self-control. I'm not the other side. -rick- |
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:22:17 -0800, "-rick-" wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote ... Chuck highlights the difference between liberal/progressives and conservatives once again. Chuck wants to exert control and the other side wants to rely upon self-control. I'm not the other side. -rick- That was just a troll through the woods! -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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