On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:46:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:30:31 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
I expect there'll be some reports of collusion with the Democrats in the Senate also. Too
coincidental that this story, several years old, broke the day the Senate voted to stop the Patriot
Act filibuster.

Actually, there was no filibuster. There was a threat of a filibuster.
The unPatriot Act stinks, and for the moment at least, some Senators
realize that.

I hear Fritz changed his vote at the end so he could regurgitate it next
year.

This, by the way, is an example of what I meant by good things happening
when Bush is down in the polls.

You are correct. The vote was to stop the debate. Fritz changed his vote to correct it, but
emphasized that the debate would continue.
--
John Herring



Five Republicans joined the call for real debate and so the Bush thug
push to short-circuit Patriot Act reform was soundly defeated in a
Senate vote today.

This vote paves the way for a bipartisan filibuster to restore checks
and balances and protect the freedoms of innocent Americans.

The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated" indeed. Note that is wasn't
a filibuster, it was, and still is, a debate.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated" indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

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JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated"
indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)


Yeah, imagine anyone winning by a mere 3.5 million votes calling it a rout.
LOL!

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JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly
defeated"
indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)


Yeah, imagine anyone winning by a mere 3.5 million votes calling it a
rout.
LOL!



Of course the liebrals called clinton's victory with less than 50% of the
vote a "mandate"

LMAO

Chuck
You must read completely different newspapers or read completely different
essays than I do. I don't think I read any such comments, even by partisans
in rec.boats.


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JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated"
indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

On 16 Dec 2005 18:30:05 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated" indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

There you are! Why didn't you address my question New Year's resolutions?

I don't recall the words 'rout', 'total repudiation', 'vindication', 'overwhelming' being used.
Could you show me?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

JohnH,
GMTA or is that FMTA?


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On 16 Dec 2005 18:30:05 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated"
indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

There you are! Why didn't you address my question New Year's
resolutions?

I don't recall the words 'rout', 'total repudiation', 'vindication',
'overwhelming' being used.
Could you show me?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

Definitely not the latter!

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:02:52 -0500, "Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote:

JohnH,
GMTA or is that FMTA?


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On 16 Dec 2005 18:30:05 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated"
indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

There you are! Why didn't you address my question New Year's
resolutions?

I don't recall the words 'rout', 'total repudiation', 'vindication',
'overwhelming' being used.
Could you show me?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!


--
John Herring
May your Christmas be Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

Then it must be GMTA.


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
Definitely not the latter!

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:02:52 -0500, "Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my
real name. wrote:

JohnH,
GMTA or is that FMTA?


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On 16 Dec 2005 18:30:05 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly
defeated"
indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

There you are! Why didn't you address my question New Year's
resolutions?

I don't recall the words 'rout', 'total repudiation', 'vindication',
'overwhelming' being used.
Could you show me?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!


--
John Herring
May your Christmas be Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

JohnH wrote:
On 16 Dec 2005 18:30:05 -0800, wrote:


JohnH wrote:


The vote was 53 to 47. Seven short of the 60 needed. "Soundly defeated" indeed.


ROTFLMAO........if memory serves me well, a national vote decided by
the same percentage, just thirteen months ago, was a "Rout!" a
"Mandate" a "Total Repudiation of Moderates and Liberals".........
"Vindication for Bush, Limbaugh, and the Conservative Agenda," "An
overhwelming stamp of approval for the war in Iraq"......... yada,
yada, yada

funny how standards change, :-)

There you are! Why didn't you address my question New Year's resolutions?

I don't recall the words 'rout', 'total repudiation', 'vindication', 'overwhelming' being used.
Could you show me?
--
John Herring

"Rout": columnist Randall Nunn, American Daily, one of a bunch in the
search engine


"Repudiation": The results are a repudiation of Kerry, the first
Catholic nominated for president since 1960. Kerry's support of
abortion rights and embryonic stem-cell ...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nation ...
ics/2002084916_catholic08.html , one of a bunch in the search engine.

I'll let you sleuth out vindication and overwhelming. Easily done.

Sorry, but I didn't see your question about the New Year's resolutions.
There are too many posts to read them all, especially since most of
them are just volleys in the name calling and pig piling wars.