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Miracle Oil Additives.
In another thread people were talking about the benefits of oil additives.
I have always been leery of these "Miracle Additives" ever since Slick 50 was shown to actually damage engines. This was especially bad news for me, since I used Slick 50 in my new boat, thinking it would reduce wear when the engine was started after sitting for a few weeks, or over the winter. Here is what "Landline" (a magazine for professional truckers) says: "I researched professional journals on lubrication and spoke with my contacts at The Technology and Maintenance Council (TMC) from the oil companies, engine manufacturers and wholesale oil additive chemical suppliers, companies like Lubrizol and Exxon-Mobil. They sell the component chemicals that oil refiners put into their oils. They were unanimous in their opinions: Truck operators should not put anything in their oil. Oil is a delicate balance of about 30 percent to 35 percent additives blended under controlled conditions and proprietary processes with selected base stocks of mineral or synthetic oil. Having too much of any particular additive could reduce the benefits of other additives, and if an aftermarket additive is not compatible with a component or refiner's oil, the additive could damage the engine." What do the additive suppliers say? Typical comments a "The oil companies don't want our products used because it would cut their sales volume by at least 10 to 20 percent (mix ratios) and probably more because we make oil last longer," and "We have a breakthrough product, and the establishment testing hasn't caught up with our performance." Many rely on anecdotal evidence, not controlled tests. Some refer to "a prestigious university" or "a well-known testing laboratory," but rarely identify which ones. Many that are identified are outside the United States. I still haven't seen evidence from any manufacturer with properly documented tests. Normally, when test results are published, verifiable reports give the location and dates of testing, names of personnel conducting the tests, a description of test procedures if new, or a list of established test protocols developed through the scientific process (reaching consensus and addressing all objections) by ASTM, SAE, API and other recognized technical organizations" and finally a conclusion: "Can we reach a conclusion? This is one of those questions drivers argue about now and will argue about for decades to come. I've heard owner-operators swear by the oil they use, most often Rotella-T, Delo 400, Delvac 1300 or Delvac 1. I then hear those same drivers rave about the good that Lucas or some other additive does. Well, which is it? Is the oil good, but only with the additive? And what does "good" mean? How is oil performance really determined? Engines and oils have improved in the past decade, and we have 10-year-old engines that have gone a million miles or more with extended oil-drain intervals. My own personal opinion is that if it were my truck, I'd pick one oil based on its reputation and use it for the life of the engine without any oil additives. One of the oils I'd consider would be Lucas. LL Paul Abelson can be reached at ." So it would appear that if any of the additives are any good, Lucas just might be a good one. What sold me on NOT using Lucas is their web site. They did not show any test results, they based all of their success on Testimonials. I am leery of Testimonials. from: http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/...t/maint_qa.htm |
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What sold me on NOT using Lucas is their web site. They did not show
any test results, they based all of their success on Testimonials. I am leery of Testimonials. I've used Lucas, and I imagine it's as good as anything els. I've run straight oils and think they're about as good as anything else too. I really haven't seen any evidence that shows oil additives have really helped performance, engine longivity, , or economy, on anything. |
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If additives "might" help, but didn't hurt, I would think about them as a
lost cost insurance. The problem is, the more I look into it, the more I see where it could hurt, and one additive might help with one oil blend and actually hurt with another oil blend. It seems that is a can of worms, I prefer to stay away from. wrote in message oups.com... What sold me on NOT using Lucas is their web site. They did not show any test results, they based all of their success on Testimonials. I am leery of Testimonials. I've used Lucas, and I imagine it's as good as anything els. I've run straight oils and think they're about as good as anything else too. I really haven't seen any evidence that shows oil additives have really helped performance, engine longivity, , or economy, on anything. |
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Tom,
Normally in the 3,000 - 4,000 range. "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:57:27 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote: If additives "might" help, but didn't hurt, I would think about them as a lost cost insurance. The problem is, the more I look into it, the more I see where it could hurt, and one additive might help with one oil blend and actually hurt with another oil blend. It seems that is a can of worms, I prefer to stay away from. How often do you change your oil? |
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Tom,
As I said, if I thought the additives were harmless, I might use some of the additives and as inexpensive insurance. But, I don't change my oil every 3,000 miles because of the recommendations of the oil companies or mechanics who profit from me changing my oil every 3000 miles. I change my oil every 3000 miles because of the recommendations of the auto manufacturers, and ALL auto experts I can find recommend changing the oil every 3000 miles, and these experts do not profit from me changing my oil every 3000 miles. I have had some friends who are mechanical engineers who told me they always change their oil every 3000 miles. I had one who used Mobil 1, and he said he always changed the filter every 3000 miles, even though he would go 12-15,000 between oil changes. I understand they now make filters that are supposed to last the full 15 m miles, but this was 10 yrs ago. I typed in "how often should I change my oil" in Google, universally, unless you drive in ideal conditions, which I do not, all of the experts (who do not profit from my oil change in any manner) agree that it is best to change your oil every 3000 miles ". As Yahoo Auto stated: " if frequent short trips (less than 10 miles, especially during cold weather), stop-and-go city traffic driving, driving in dusty conditions (gravel roads, etc.), and driving at sustained highway speeds during hot weather. For this type of driving, which is actually "severe service: driving, the recommendation is to change the oil every 3,000 miles or six months." So I might be getting fooled and suckered, because heck what do I know, but I look at it as inexpensive insurance. How often do you change your oil? "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:42:41 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote: Tom, Normally in the 3,000 - 4,000 range. So you are suspicious of claims of oil additives, but buy into the oil company hype about 3,000 mile oil changes. Interesting. Later, Tom |
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Wow, I had to check how often I replace my fuel filter. I think it is every
30,000 miles. After you mentioned that I checked on it, and it looks like the experts recommend changing it 12,000 miles or once a year. From memory you have some very old cars, so you must be doing something right. I have two cars w/ 50,000 miles and the dealer and Firestone recommended changing brake fluids and steering fluids. I don't remember doing this in the past, but when I checked it seems that this is considered very prudent. As I said, I want to drive these cars as long as possible, so I can trying to keep up with the maintenance. "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:52:14 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote: How often do you change your oil? About 10K or so, oil, filter, fuel filter. |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:52:14 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote: How often do you change your oil? About 10K or so, oil, filter, fuel filter. I keep it at 6k miles or so on all our cars. I also change the oil and filter on the boat engine every fall. I would change it more often if I put on more than the 50-80 hours/season I put on the boat. We only used our larger boats for general cruising, mainly to beaches for swimming. This year may be different as the boat we now own is smaller and will be conducive to fishing once I replace the helm seat. It is also small enough that I can comfortably take it out by myself. I will change the oil on the boat at 100 hours (and again at haul out) when/if I reach that number this year. |
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PS - I change the oil and fuel filter on my boat engine which is a 5.7 liter
every 50 hrs or once a year, when I winterize the engine. I normally will change the impeller and every other year. I check the outdrive fluid to make sure it is not milky and then top it off. Every other year I change the fluid in the outdrive. Do you see any drastic mistakes I am doing with the boat? "Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote in message ... Wow, I had to check how often I replace my fuel filter. I think it is every 30,000 miles. After you mentioned that I checked on it, and it looks like the experts recommend changing it 12,000 miles or once a year. From memory you have some very old cars, so you must be doing something right. I have two cars w/ 50,000 miles and the dealer and Firestone recommended changing brake fluids and steering fluids. I don't remember doing this in the past, but when I checked it seems that this is considered very prudent. As I said, I want to drive these cars as long as possible, so I can trying to keep up with the maintenance. "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:52:14 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote: How often do you change your oil? About 10K or so, oil, filter, fuel filter. |
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"Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote in message . .. PS - I change the oil and fuel filter on my boat engine which is a 5.7 liter every 50 hrs or once a year, when I winterize the engine. I normally will change the impeller and every other year. I check the outdrive fluid to make sure it is not milky and then top it off. Every other year I change the fluid in the outdrive. Do you see any drastic mistakes I am doing with the boat? Yes. You should be changing the outdrive oil at the end of every season and checking the condition of the oil you removed. If not, and water got past a defective seal and into the oil you could face a big problem come spring. It is easy to do and cheap insurance. |
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Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Tom, As I said, if I thought the additives were harmless, I might use some of the additives and as inexpensive insurance. But, I don't change my oil every 3,000 miles because of the recommendations of the oil companies or mechanics who profit from me changing my oil every 3000 miles. I change my oil every 3000 miles because of the recommendations of the auto manufacturers, and ALL auto experts I can find recommend changing the oil every 3000 miles, and these experts do not profit from me changing my oil every 3000 miles. I have had some friends who are mechanical engineers who told me they always change their oil every 3000 miles. I had one who used Mobil 1, and he said he always changed the filter every 3000 miles, even though he would go 12-15,000 between oil changes. I understand they now make filters that are supposed to last the full 15 m miles, but this was 10 yrs ago. I typed in "how often should I change my oil" in Google, universally, unless you drive in ideal conditions, which I do not, all of the experts (who do not profit from my oil change in any manner) agree that it is best to change your oil every 3000 miles ". As Yahoo Auto stated: " if frequent short trips (less than 10 miles, especially during cold weather), stop-and-go city traffic driving, driving in dusty conditions (gravel roads, etc.), and driving at sustained highway speeds during hot weather. For this type of driving, which is actually "severe service: driving, the recommendation is to change the oil every 3,000 miles or six months." So I might be getting fooled and suckered, because heck what do I know, but I look at it as inexpensive insurance. How often do you change your oil? When the indicator light, or the mileage indicator in the other car, show it's time to take it in. Usually 12K-14K miles. Dan |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:37:53 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote: Short oil change intervals are not a bad idea, at least you are removing dirt and acids from the engine. Short oil changes *can* be a bad idea. Every time you start/service your engine, you have what is called "dry run". This is when an engine is running, but proper oil pressure has not been reached. Have you ever noticed how you oil light stays on a few seconds more after an oil change? That is dry run, and its a killer to an engine. Our lab did extensive testing on the subject, and found that (of course) engine with more dry run time had *significantly* more wear/damage. Think about it...change your oil every 5k...assume 2 seconds of dry run for each change, over the course of 100k miles, that's 40 seconds. Now change your oil every 1k...that's a whopping accrued dry run time of 3 minutes and 20 seconds for 100k miles! Anybody ever seen the inside of an engine after it has ran for over 3 minutes with no oil pressure? I have, and it aint pretty. Listen to the engine manufacturer (not your lube store) and do NOT over service. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
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To All:
Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. They then had Mario Andretti do the same thing over a race course, of course, he won the race. They then would remove the value covers, throw dirt into the engine, spray it with water, cut the radiator lines, red line the engine and the engine was "perfect". This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. "Netsock" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:37:53 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: Short oil change intervals are not a bad idea, at least you are removing dirt and acids from the engine. Short oil changes *can* be a bad idea. Every time you start/service your engine, you have what is called "dry run". This is when an engine is running, but proper oil pressure has not been reached. Have you ever noticed how you oil light stays on a few seconds more after an oil change? That is dry run, and its a killer to an engine. Our lab did extensive testing on the subject, and found that (of course) engine with more dry run time had *significantly* more wear/damage. Think about it...change your oil every 5k...assume 2 seconds of dry run for each change, over the course of 100k miles, that's 40 seconds. Now change your oil every 1k...that's a whopping accrued dry run time of 3 minutes and 20 seconds for 100k miles! Anybody ever seen the inside of an engine after it has ran for over 3 minutes with no oil pressure? I have, and it aint pretty. Listen to the engine manufacturer (not your lube store) and do NOT over service. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
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PS - I forget they also removed the oil pan to make sure there was no oil in
the car. "Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote in message ... To All: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. They then had Mario Andretti do the same thing over a race course, of course, he won the race. They then would remove the value covers, throw dirt into the engine, spray it with water, cut the radiator lines, red line the engine and the engine was "perfect". This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. "Netsock" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:37:53 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: Short oil change intervals are not a bad idea, at least you are removing dirt and acids from the engine. Short oil changes *can* be a bad idea. Every time you start/service your engine, you have what is called "dry run". This is when an engine is running, but proper oil pressure has not been reached. Have you ever noticed how you oil light stays on a few seconds more after an oil change? That is dry run, and its a killer to an engine. Our lab did extensive testing on the subject, and found that (of course) engine with more dry run time had *significantly* more wear/damage. Think about it...change your oil every 5k...assume 2 seconds of dry run for each change, over the course of 100k miles, that's 40 seconds. Now change your oil every 1k...that's a whopping accrued dry run time of 3 minutes and 20 seconds for 100k miles! Anybody ever seen the inside of an engine after it has ran for over 3 minutes with no oil pressure? I have, and it aint pretty. Listen to the engine manufacturer (not your lube store) and do NOT over service. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
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Smithers wrote: To All: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. They then had Mario Andretti do the same thing over a race course, of course, he won the race. They then would remove the value covers, throw dirt into the engine, spray it with water, cut the radiator lines, red line the engine and the engine was "perfect". This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. I don't remember the name, but I did see this same engine, every week, sitting and idling at a flea market by where I lived, it didn't have an oil pan on it, and was supposed to show the incredible results of the product. The thing idled so slow it barely ran, and when you wasn't looking, the guy would squirt oil on the rod bearings. Come to find out, the guy replaced the bearings with leather that soaked oil, and provided padding. |
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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message k.net... wrote: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. I believe you are referring to Prolong, a snake oil additive that was popular some years back before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. Bill Grannis service manager |
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before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and
demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. You mean the ones where the electrode's would break off and jam themselves into the head , piston, and valves??? I remember back in the 60's J.C.Whitney was selling "Fire Injector" sparkplugs. My dad bout a set to put in our '60 Plymouth stationwagon w/ a 383... Fire Injector? more like "Foul inductor" |
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I believe you are referring to Prolong, a snake oil additive that was popular some years back before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. Bill Grannis service manager Here's what Bill is talking about: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/09/prolong.htm But you CAN still buy the stuff: http://www.prolongsales.com/?gclid=C...FQP4PgodaihaCw |
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Bill,
That's the one. There are still selling it, but it looks like they are getting around the FTC by using the Internet instead of TV. http://www.prolong.com/Main.aspx Here is the transcript of the infomercial. This was one of the most impressive, unbelievable ads I had ever seen. http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/09/pslcmp.htm and the complaint against the company. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/09/prolong.htm When I was Googling Prolong, I also found something Harry might find helpful. http://www.askmen.com/love/product_g...ct_review.html "Billgran" wrote in message . .. "Dan Krueger" wrote in message k.net... wrote: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. I believe you are referring to Prolong, a snake oil additive that was popular some years back before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. Bill Grannis service manager |
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http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/legal/
This is a great review of various "Snake Oils" and other Miracles. "Billgran" wrote in message . .. "Dan Krueger" wrote in message k.net... wrote: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. I believe you are referring to Prolong, a snake oil additive that was popular some years back before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. Bill Grannis service manager |
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Here are some interesting observations from Dave Mann of Detroit, Michigan
Truck and Automotive Engineers and Lubrication Specialists. If you read the article, I especially liked the part where they went to a trade show and had one of the Snake Oil'ers test his new improved additive. It showed excellent results using their test. The additive was repackaged Head and Shoulders shampoo. http://www.performanceoiltechnology....tadditives.htm "Tucked into a musty corner of the massive petroleum industry, sheltered by the indifference of oil marketers, auto makers, retailers and the American Petroleum Institute, is the $150 million aftermarket lube additive market – a virtual plague of engine oil additives, supplemental additives, oil treatments and engine treatments." Question One: What real benefits does this “mouse milk” (to use the oil industry’s own snickering phrase) provide? The Answer: None, nada zip, zero. Question Two: Do ALAs cause any harm? The Answer: To engines, some probably do. To consumers and their wallets, yes. And to the environment, a resounding yes. In its owner’s manual, Ford Motor Co. recommends against the use of aftermarket lubricant additives (ALAs) for engines, transmissions, transaxles, etc. For example, the engine oil section in the 2003 Ranger pickup’s manual states twice, for emphasis, on the same page, “Do not use supplemental engine oil additives, cleaners or other engine treatments. They are unnecessary and could lead to engine damage that is not covered by Ford warranty.” q “Don’t add anything to you oil.” – 1998 Buick Regal owner’s manual q “Do not add any material (other than leak detection dyes) to engine oil. Engine oil is an engineered product and its performance may be impaired by supplemental additives.” – 2003 DaimlerChrysler owner’s manual q “Using supplemental additives is generally unnecessary and can even be harmful (emphasis added). One should never use an additive to fix a mechanical problem.” – Detroit Diesel bulletin several years ago "What part of NO do you not understand". q “ExxonMobil does not recommend (additive supplements and/or engine treatments).” – Mobil 1 website http://www.performanceoiltechnology....tadditives.htm "Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote in message ... http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/legal/ This is a great review of various "Snake Oils" and other Miracles. "Billgran" wrote in message . .. "Dan Krueger" wrote in message k.net... wrote: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. I believe you are referring to Prolong, a snake oil additive that was popular some years back before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. Bill Grannis service manager |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:10:13 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: You do have your supporters, though... Jaxashby ranted on for months in support of your position... I hope to hell you used a crucifix, hung a string of garlic around your monitor and had a mirror handy along with a small bottle of Holy Water when you wrote that. And per Buffy, a good sharp stick. |
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Well, I drive an old Nissan truck with Z28 engine with 295428 miles and
will continue to drive it till the odometer says 333,333. I rarely change the oil closer than 8000 miles ebtween changes. I also have NEVER washed my truck and it looks pretty good still. I have never used oil additives either. Currently, she burns a quart every 1150 miles. |
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:10:13 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote: When changing oil, you don't have a dry start... unless you have figured out a way to suck the oil from between the bearing/journal clearances. You are correct, however,"dry start" is a term used in the engine industry for when an engine is turning over or running with "less than spec" oil pressure. I've pulled apart engines that have sat for *years* and there was still a film of oil coating the journals and bearings. Recip aircraft engines are run up to 30 seconds with NO oil pressure showing on the gage....with no damage expected... per the manufacturers manual. "Expected" damage is subjective. Oil will lubricate with NO pressure... and does, every time you start your engine. Lubricate, yes. Gene, do you know the dynamics of a pressurized galley and Babbitt bearing system? If the quality of your oil does not provide for boundary lubrication as well as hydrodynamic... you've got problems, anyway. Um...agreed. Pre-oiling is preferred, but running dirty oil is just recycling what amounts to abrasives through the engine. Um...agreed again. Our lab did extensive testing on the subject, and found that (of course) engine with more dry run time had *significantly* more wear/damage. Citation? I don't have any of the documentation from that study, but I read the results, and saw/measured the damage myself. How many percent do you have to turn on that turbine engine before you have any oil pressure? Less than 1%. But then turbines run forever between oil changes, don't they! No. Wonder why? No. I know why. You do have your supporters, though... Jaxashby ranted on for months in support of your position... Its not a position of support...its fact. Take care Gene. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
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PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:56:47 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:27:09 -0500, Netsock wrote: Certainly. Wanna compare expertise? No thanks...you have already clearly demonstrated your knowledge on the subject. But anyway, you should know in the absence of pressure, the journals would ride more on the bearings, thus causing more wear. If you own the lab, you certainly should own the results. Shouldn't you? I didn't own the lab. Less than 1%. That is total BS even for you! In order for you to even SEE any oil pressure at 1%, oil pressure would have to lead RPM.... and on this planet (Earth) that isn't going to happen. As soon as the turbine starts spinning, the oil pump starts pumping. At that point, there is measurable oil pressure. BTW, 1% is equal to approximately 200 rpm. But then turbines run forever between oil changes, don't they! No. You obviously haven't been paying attention. Think SOAP. And you obviously don't know what you are talking about... The manufacture/builder cites a change interval for the oil, so again...no...turbines do not "run forever between oil changes"...whatever that exactly means anyway. Wonder why? No. I know why. You deny and then comprehend same? With your first statement being incorrect, the point is moot, however, if you need explanation, I will be happy to do so... "No" I don't "wonder why", because I already know why. Got it now? Its not a position of support...its fact. Gosh, that's what Jax said! Then he's a smart man. Like I said Gene, I have read the results, and have seen the wear with my own eyes. Frankly, for as smart as you put yourself off here, I'm surprised at your lack of grasp on the issue. But hey...to each their own. Take care Gene. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
Miracle Oil Additives.
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:36:10 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote: By your own admission, you only take this thing out once or twice a year.. You're beginning to sound like Krause...I said I only took it out a few times that summer. so oil properties and changes are probably pretty fuzzy for you, so I'll help you out. I'm waiting... First of all 1% would blast past you faster than you could ever see... Whatever that means. you couldn't possibly see oil pressure at 1% unless you somehow limited RPM such as on a compressor wash... so, we must discount that part of your post.... as not reasonable or verifiable... Speaking for the group Gene? *You* can discount it all you want, but the facts remain...there *is* "measurable" oil pressure at 1%. As usual, it seems I must help further your education..... LOL! You have yet to "educate" me on anything you have ever posted here. http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellteos.pdf And that proved nothing about your claims, in fact, its supports my position more than yours...nice try tho... Your debating tactics are looking more and more like Krause's fabrications. Inserting words that weren't there, bait-n-switching the issue, cut-n-pasting from the internet...all in a feeble, but failed attempt, to back pedal. 1. Pressurized galley babbitt bearing systems (as found in auto/boat engines) will wear excessively with no oil pressure. 2. Turbines do not "run forever between oil changes". 3. There is indeed measurable oil pressure in my turbine at 1%. 4. You have never educated me about anything. Anything you have ever said here, I have already known. The above are facts Gene. I'm sorry if the truth hurts...maybe you should stick to taking pictures of the back-side of teenage girls in the woods, attaching your inappropriate comments to them, then posting them on the internet. Take care Gene, and happy holidays. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
Miracle Oil Additives.
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:24:11 -0500, Netsock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:36:10 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote: By your own admission, you only take this thing out once or twice a year.. You're beginning to sound like Krause...I said I only took it out a few times that summer. so oil properties and changes are probably pretty fuzzy for you, so I'll help you out. I'm waiting... First of all 1% would blast past you faster than you could ever see... Whatever that means. you couldn't possibly see oil pressure at 1% unless you somehow limited RPM such as on a compressor wash... so, we must discount that part of your post.... as not reasonable or verifiable... Speaking for the group Gene? *You* can discount it all you want, but the facts remain...there *is* "measurable" oil pressure at 1%. As usual, it seems I must help further your education..... LOL! You have yet to "educate" me on anything you have ever posted here. http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellteos.pdf And that proved nothing about your claims, in fact, its supports my position more than yours...nice try tho... Your debating tactics are looking more and more like Krause's fabrications. Inserting words that weren't there, bait-n-switching the issue, cut-n-pasting from the internet...all in a feeble, but failed attempt, to back pedal. 1. Pressurized galley babbitt bearing systems (as found in auto/boat engines) will wear excessively with no oil pressure. 2. Turbines do not "run forever between oil changes". 3. There is indeed measurable oil pressure in my turbine at 1%. 4. You have never educated me about anything. Anything you have ever said here, I have already known. The above are facts Gene. I'm sorry if the truth hurts...maybe you should stick to taking pictures of the back-side of teenage girls in the woods, attaching your inappropriate comments to them, then posting them on the internet. Take care Gene, and happy holidays. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ Hey Netsock! I read your reply to Gene, and I could not find where your derogatory comments about Krause added anything to your post. We're *really* trying hard to make this a decent newsgroup to visit. Any cooperation on your part would be appreciated. -- John H **** May your Christmas be Spectacular!**** *****...and your New Year even Better!***** |
Miracle Oil Additives.
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:13:49 GMT, Gene Kearns
found on the web and posted: Seeing that this is headed towards the mud filled dancing studio...... Exactly. .... have a nice holiday. Back from mine, and it was nice. Hope yours was the same. __ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
Miracle Oil Additives.
Smithers wrote: http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/legal/ This is a great review of various "Snake Oils" and other Miracles. "Billgran" wrote in message . .. "Dan Krueger" wrote in message k.net... wrote: Years ago their was a Miracle Additive, that was on Late Night Infomercial, that would eliminate 99% of the heat and friction. They would run the car with this additive for a few hundred miles, drain the engine, remove the oil filter and then run it all over town for hundreds of miles. The engine was " perfect" and it wouldn't even get hot. This product had endorsements from God and the world. For some reason I don't see this product being advertised anymore. I wonder what happened. ; ) I would have thought this would have taken over the lubrication industry. PS - Does anyone remember the name of the product. I would like to do a Google. I believe you are referring to Prolong, a snake oil additive that was popular some years back before the Federal Trade Commission stepped in and demanded proof, just like they did to the Splitfire sparkplugs. Bill Grannis service manager Speaking of "snake oil" it's interesting to note that Schlik-50 is owned by Quaker State. Huh! One of the worse oil aditives, owned by one of the worse oils...... Maybe the schlik-50 will help cut out the gunky, engine clogging parafin that Quaker State has an over-abundance of...... |
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