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John H. December 15th 05 06:33 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 
On 15 Dec 2005 07:42:58 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 15 Dec 2005 06:23:06 -0800,
wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Jack Goff wrote:
On 14 Dec 2005 12:08:52 -0800,
wrote:


Your wife is greedy for making you sell your boat for her.

And then he wrote:

And yes, I
think that ANYBODY who would bring someone's, ANYONE'S mother, or kids
into a conversation is nothing short of a low life scum.

Of course, ANYBODY who would bring ANYONE'S wife into a converstaion
is nothing short of low life scum. Just a nasty little gnat-like piece
of ****. To make matters worse, I'm sure your wife doesn't know you
act in this manner. No woman would approve of her husband acting like
atl-man or Kevin, unless she, too is a low life scum sucking pig.

That's just another reason Kevin-man posts from work, not home.

But since atl-man obviously thinks it's OK to talk about someone's
wife, I'm sure he has no problem with this.

Jack :-)

I'm not Kevin, you idiot. But, alas, you need to chastise Jim Hertvik,
not me. HE is the one who thinks it's okay to to talk about someone's
wife, dead mother, even their children.


Good morning alt_man.

So sorry, but I never talked about *your* dead mother or wife.

I did say that *your* kids are greedy though. Based on their 'ever growing'
Christmas list you posted here they do indeed seem spoiled, materialistic
and greedy.

Have a nice

How the hell do you know about what MY kids are, asshole? They are 6
and 10, you ****ing low life piece of ****. Feel like a REAL man
talking **** about someone 6 and 10??? What a nasty little pussy you
are. I'd LOVE to spit right in your **** stained face. You are truly
lower than any person I've seen here. You know nothing about my kids.
The list came from their letters to Santa. Have you ever known a kid
that didn't go overboard in hope with those letters? What did you do,
stomp on your kid's heads if they asked for anything more than an
orange or two? Are you that poor? And YES, asshole, you HAVE talked
about my dead mother, my wife, and my kids. You are a -poor excuse for
a human, and a worse excuse for a man. No one here would agree that
what you are doing is anything that any kind of stand up, real man
would do. I ****ing DARE you to let your greedy wife know what you are
saying about other people's famlies.

Here is one of your wedding day pics I found of your lovely bride
http://tinyurl.com/dy95q


How can one who is as anti-Christmas as you are allow your children to write letters to Santa?

Isn't there a bit of hypocrisy in there somewhere?
--
John Herring

The only hypocrite here is Jim Hertvik, the low life scum of usenet. I
never said I was "anti-Christmas". Quite the contrary. I simply take it
for what it is, which is NOT a holiday celebrating the birth of your
Jesus.


So you're a pagan?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

John H. December 15th 05 06:35 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 
On 15 Dec 2005 10:01:01 -0800, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
Although I disagree with it, that was a well written
editorial
Kevin.
I
saw no cussing or personal attacks in your post. I also
see
you
did
not
use the words idiot, ignorant, dumb, dumbass, dip****,
asshole
or
dolt
even once.


While I don't object to cussing, you do. Yet you republish
the
very
words
you claim offend you.

Why is that?



When they are used to attack or degrade a person they offend
me.

Gee, Jim, if that type of thing bothers you, what do you feel
about
someone who would post lies about someone's dead mother? How
do
you
feel about someone who would make degrading remarks about
someone's
wife and children? You do just exactly that, you low life
scum.


I may have said something about Kevin's mother, wife and
children
smoking
the weed he grows. Why does that offend you?

YOU, you low life scum said those things about MY dead mother, MY
wife,
and MY children. YOU have proven yourself to be the lowest piece
of
**** here, Jim. A person just can't go any lower than that. ****
you.
Now, do something about that, you worthless little twit.
So, Jim, how come your wife is so greedy that she made you sell
your
boat?


Calm down.

Remarks were made about Kevin's mother and wife smoking dope.
You
said
you talked to Kevin over the weekend about the remarks with Kevin
claiming
he would talk to his lawyer to sue me.

So, just what do you know about Kevin's mother and wife smoking
dope?
Answer. Nothing. Pure ignorance on your part, huh? Admit it.

I did, however, say that I think your kids are being greedy for
asking
for a
bike, iPod, Nintendo, PS2 and other things for Christmas, with the
list,
according to you, growing longer every day.

If that offends you.........tough.

Your wife is greedy for making you sell your boat for her. And yes,
I
think that ANYBODY who would bring someone's, ANYONE'S mother, or
kids
into a conversation is nothing short of a low life scum. It has
nothing
to do with "offending" me. You are just scum. Just a nasty little
gnat
like piece of ****. To make matters worse, I'm sure you lied about
your
wife saying that she thought it was okay for you to act in this
manner.
No woman would approve of her husband acting like you, unless she,
too
is a low life.


When you see Kevin next weekend to discuss the things I said about his
mother and wife, tell him happy anniversary for me.....I think it was
one
year last November.

Kevin sent me a picture taken on his wedding day. We have it framed
and
sitting on a shelf in our family room.

http://tinyurl.com/5mel5

Tell Kevin my wife says congratulations also.

Kevin want's to know why you are such a low life piece of scum.


Tell Kevin to post his question here and I will be happy to answer why I
think his mother and wife smoke the marijuana he grows.

I'll ask! Why DO you think his mother and wife smoke marijuana?


Just a hunch, especially considering Kevin is your friend and you have
posted in the marijuana NG.


Just a hunch???!!!! What a piece of **** you are! Is it just a hunch
about your penchant for young men?


Do the posts you've made so far today endear you to such as Don, Harry, Chuck, jps, etc.?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

JimH December 15th 05 06:38 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On 15 Dec 2005 10:01:01 -0800, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
Although I disagree with it, that was a well written
editorial
Kevin.
I
saw no cussing or personal attacks in your post. I
also
see
you
did
not
use the words idiot, ignorant, dumb, dumbass, dip****,
asshole
or
dolt
even once.


While I don't object to cussing, you do. Yet you
republish
the
very
words
you claim offend you.

Why is that?



When they are used to attack or degrade a person they
offend
me.

Gee, Jim, if that type of thing bothers you, what do you
feel
about
someone who would post lies about someone's dead mother?
How
do
you
feel about someone who would make degrading remarks about
someone's
wife and children? You do just exactly that, you low life
scum.


I may have said something about Kevin's mother, wife and
children
smoking
the weed he grows. Why does that offend you?

YOU, you low life scum said those things about MY dead
mother, MY
wife,
and MY children. YOU have proven yourself to be the lowest
piece
of
**** here, Jim. A person just can't go any lower than that.
****
you.
Now, do something about that, you worthless little twit.
So, Jim, how come your wife is so greedy that she made you
sell
your
boat?


Calm down.

Remarks were made about Kevin's mother and wife smoking dope.
You
said
you talked to Kevin over the weekend about the remarks with
Kevin
claiming
he would talk to his lawyer to sue me.

So, just what do you know about Kevin's mother and wife smoking
dope?
Answer. Nothing. Pure ignorance on your part, huh? Admit it.

I did, however, say that I think your kids are being greedy for
asking
for a
bike, iPod, Nintendo, PS2 and other things for Christmas, with
the
list,
according to you, growing longer every day.

If that offends you.........tough.

Your wife is greedy for making you sell your boat for her. And
yes,
I
think that ANYBODY who would bring someone's, ANYONE'S mother,
or
kids
into a conversation is nothing short of a low life scum. It has
nothing
to do with "offending" me. You are just scum. Just a nasty
little
gnat
like piece of ****. To make matters worse, I'm sure you lied
about
your
wife saying that she thought it was okay for you to act in this
manner.
No woman would approve of her husband acting like you, unless
she,
too
is a low life.


When you see Kevin next weekend to discuss the things I said about
his
mother and wife, tell him happy anniversary for me.....I think it
was
one
year last November.

Kevin sent me a picture taken on his wedding day. We have it
framed
and
sitting on a shelf in our family room.

http://tinyurl.com/5mel5

Tell Kevin my wife says congratulations also.

Kevin want's to know why you are such a low life piece of scum.


Tell Kevin to post his question here and I will be happy to answer
why I
think his mother and wife smoke the marijuana he grows.

I'll ask! Why DO you think his mother and wife smoke marijuana?


Just a hunch, especially considering Kevin is your friend and you have
posted in the marijuana NG.


Just a hunch???!!!! What a piece of **** you are! Is it just a hunch
about your penchant for young men?


Do the posts you've made so far today endear you to such as Don, Harry,
Chuck, jps, etc.?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!




Do they endear him to anyone here? I think most folks have giving up trying
to defend him. He even turned on Chuck when Chuck tried to do so earlier
today.

My, my.



JimH December 15th 05 06:39 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"John H." wrote in message
...
On 15 Dec 2005 10:01:01 -0800, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
Although I disagree with it, that was a well written
editorial
Kevin.
I
saw no cussing or personal attacks in your post. I
also
see
you
did
not
use the words idiot, ignorant, dumb, dumbass,
dip****,
asshole
or
dolt
even once.


While I don't object to cussing, you do. Yet you
republish
the
very
words
you claim offend you.

Why is that?



When they are used to attack or degrade a person they
offend
me.

Gee, Jim, if that type of thing bothers you, what do you
feel
about
someone who would post lies about someone's dead mother?
How
do
you
feel about someone who would make degrading remarks about
someone's
wife and children? You do just exactly that, you low life
scum.


I may have said something about Kevin's mother, wife and
children
smoking
the weed he grows. Why does that offend you?

YOU, you low life scum said those things about MY dead
mother, MY
wife,
and MY children. YOU have proven yourself to be the lowest
piece
of
**** here, Jim. A person just can't go any lower than that.
****
you.
Now, do something about that, you worthless little twit.
So, Jim, how come your wife is so greedy that she made you
sell
your
boat?


Calm down.

Remarks were made about Kevin's mother and wife smoking dope.
You
said
you talked to Kevin over the weekend about the remarks with
Kevin
claiming
he would talk to his lawyer to sue me.

So, just what do you know about Kevin's mother and wife smoking
dope?
Answer. Nothing. Pure ignorance on your part, huh? Admit it.

I did, however, say that I think your kids are being greedy
for
asking
for a
bike, iPod, Nintendo, PS2 and other things for Christmas, with
the
list,
according to you, growing longer every day.

If that offends you.........tough.

Your wife is greedy for making you sell your boat for her. And
yes,
I
think that ANYBODY who would bring someone's, ANYONE'S mother,
or
kids
into a conversation is nothing short of a low life scum. It has
nothing
to do with "offending" me. You are just scum. Just a nasty
little
gnat
like piece of ****. To make matters worse, I'm sure you lied
about
your
wife saying that she thought it was okay for you to act in this
manner.
No woman would approve of her husband acting like you, unless
she,
too
is a low life.


When you see Kevin next weekend to discuss the things I said
about his
mother and wife, tell him happy anniversary for me.....I think it
was
one
year last November.

Kevin sent me a picture taken on his wedding day. We have it
framed
and
sitting on a shelf in our family room.

http://tinyurl.com/5mel5

Tell Kevin my wife says congratulations also.

Kevin want's to know why you are such a low life piece of scum.


Tell Kevin to post his question here and I will be happy to answer
why I
think his mother and wife smoke the marijuana he grows.

I'll ask! Why DO you think his mother and wife smoke marijuana?


Just a hunch, especially considering Kevin is your friend and you have
posted in the marijuana NG.

Just a hunch???!!!! What a piece of **** you are! Is it just a hunch
about your penchant for young men?


Do the posts you've made so far today endear you to such as Don, Harry,
Chuck, jps, etc.?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!




Do they endear him to anyone here? I think most folks have given up
trying to defend him. He even turned on Chuck when Chuck tried to do so
earlier today.

My, my.



edit





P Fritz December 15th 05 06:45 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On 15 Dec 2005 07:42:58 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 15 Dec 2005 06:23:06 -0800,
wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Jack Goff wrote:
On 14 Dec 2005 12:08:52 -0800,
wrote:


Your wife is greedy for making you sell your boat for her.

And then he wrote:

And yes, I
think that ANYBODY who would bring someone's, ANYONE'S mother,

or kids
into a conversation is nothing short of a low life scum.

Of course, ANYBODY who would bring ANYONE'S wife into a

converstaion
is nothing short of low life scum. Just a nasty little gnat-like

piece
of ****. To make matters worse, I'm sure your wife doesn't know

you
act in this manner. No woman would approve of her husband acting

like
atl-man or Kevin, unless she, too is a low life scum sucking pig.

That's just another reason Kevin-man posts from work, not home.

But since atl-man obviously thinks it's OK to talk about

someone's
wife, I'm sure he has no problem with this.

Jack :-)

I'm not Kevin, you idiot. But, alas, you need to chastise Jim

Hertvik,
not me. HE is the one who thinks it's okay to to talk about

someone's
wife, dead mother, even their children.


Good morning alt_man.

So sorry, but I never talked about *your* dead mother or wife.

I did say that *your* kids are greedy though. Based on their 'ever

growing'
Christmas list you posted here they do indeed seem spoiled,

materialistic
and greedy.

Have a nice

How the hell do you know about what MY kids are, asshole? They are 6
and 10, you ****ing low life piece of ****. Feel like a REAL man
talking **** about someone 6 and 10??? What a nasty little pussy you
are. I'd LOVE to spit right in your **** stained face. You are truly
lower than any person I've seen here. You know nothing about my kids.
The list came from their letters to Santa. Have you ever known a kid
that didn't go overboard in hope with those letters? What did you do,
stomp on your kid's heads if they asked for anything more than an
orange or two? Are you that poor? And YES, asshole, you HAVE talked
about my dead mother, my wife, and my kids. You are a -poor excuse for
a human, and a worse excuse for a man. No one here would agree that
what you are doing is anything that any kind of stand up, real man
would do. I ****ing DARE you to let your greedy wife know what you are
saying about other people's famlies.

Here is one of your wedding day pics I found of your lovely bride
http://tinyurl.com/dy95q

How can one who is as anti-Christmas as you are allow your children to

write letters to Santa?

Isn't there a bit of hypocrisy in there somewhere?
--
John Herring

The only hypocrite here is Jim Hertvik, the low life scum of usenet. I
never said I was "anti-Christmas". Quite the contrary. I simply take it
for what it is, which is NOT a holiday celebrating the birth of your
Jesus.


So you're a pagan?


Kevin once again paints himself into a corner LMAO


--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!




John H. December 15th 05 07:13 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:45:15 -0500, "P Fritz" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On 15 Dec 2005 07:42:58 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 15 Dec 2005 06:23:06 -0800,
wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Jack Goff wrote:
On 14 Dec 2005 12:08:52 -0800,
wrote:


Your wife is greedy for making you sell your boat for her.

And then he wrote:

And yes, I
think that ANYBODY who would bring someone's, ANYONE'S mother,

or kids
into a conversation is nothing short of a low life scum.

Of course, ANYBODY who would bring ANYONE'S wife into a

converstaion
is nothing short of low life scum. Just a nasty little gnat-like

piece
of ****. To make matters worse, I'm sure your wife doesn't know

you
act in this manner. No woman would approve of her husband acting

like
atl-man or Kevin, unless she, too is a low life scum sucking pig.

That's just another reason Kevin-man posts from work, not home.

But since atl-man obviously thinks it's OK to talk about

someone's
wife, I'm sure he has no problem with this.

Jack :-)

I'm not Kevin, you idiot. But, alas, you need to chastise Jim

Hertvik,
not me. HE is the one who thinks it's okay to to talk about

someone's
wife, dead mother, even their children.


Good morning alt_man.

So sorry, but I never talked about *your* dead mother or wife.

I did say that *your* kids are greedy though. Based on their 'ever

growing'
Christmas list you posted here they do indeed seem spoiled,

materialistic
and greedy.

Have a nice

How the hell do you know about what MY kids are, asshole? They are 6
and 10, you ****ing low life piece of ****. Feel like a REAL man
talking **** about someone 6 and 10??? What a nasty little pussy you
are. I'd LOVE to spit right in your **** stained face. You are truly
lower than any person I've seen here. You know nothing about my kids.
The list came from their letters to Santa. Have you ever known a kid
that didn't go overboard in hope with those letters? What did you do,
stomp on your kid's heads if they asked for anything more than an
orange or two? Are you that poor? And YES, asshole, you HAVE talked
about my dead mother, my wife, and my kids. You are a -poor excuse for
a human, and a worse excuse for a man. No one here would agree that
what you are doing is anything that any kind of stand up, real man
would do. I ****ing DARE you to let your greedy wife know what you are
saying about other people's famlies.

Here is one of your wedding day pics I found of your lovely bride
http://tinyurl.com/dy95q

How can one who is as anti-Christmas as you are allow your children to

write letters to Santa?

Isn't there a bit of hypocrisy in there somewhere?
--
John Herring

The only hypocrite here is Jim Hertvik, the low life scum of usenet. I
never said I was "anti-Christmas". Quite the contrary. I simply take it
for what it is, which is NOT a holiday celebrating the birth of your
Jesus.


So you're a pagan?


Kevin once again paints himself into a corner LMAO


--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!



He must have forgotten this one:
************************************************** ****
On 12 Dec 2005 05:07:01 -0800, wrote:


John H. wrote:
http://www.powerpres.com/xmascard03.html
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular,
and your New Year even Better!


I didn't know you were a Pagan. You Pagans sure like your holiday
rituals such as decorating an evergreen tree, don't you?

************************************************** ***********************
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

Jeff Rigby December 15th 05 07:54 PM

OT Easy Answers to Conservative Lies
 

wrote in message
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Want to have some ammunition the next time a conservative begins
talking about this sick drive toward what they like to term "smaller
government" when they actually mean a government that kneels in
supplication before Corporate America while passing tax "cuts" that
just transfer the cost of government from the wealthy onto the backs of
the middle-class and poor? Well, here are just a few questions, with
supporting examples, to pose and then watch them squirm (the squirm
part is the one I like best)
First, for those who state that the Canadian national health system is
a bad idea and that the "market" will keep the costs of medical
coverage low and that the American medical community doesn't want it
even discussed, call their bluff with this little quote from the
premier medical journal of the AMA, the Journal of the American Medical
Association (1)

Stating early in the article that the "experiment with market medicine"
is "a failure", it then goes on to proclaim that "The drive for profit
is compromising the quality of care, the number of uninsured persons is
increasing, those with insurance are increasingly dissatisfied,
bureaucracy is proliferating, and costs are again rapidly escalating.
We believe national health insurance deserves a second look."

Remember, the Right could never uncover an intelligent reason to
completely destroy Clinton's plan for a national health care system nor
could they devise a system to offer in its place themselves (but all
the Republicans have ever been good at is overturn whatever social net
exists for the poor). Instead, they played on the average American's
inability to differentiate between reality and actors mouthing scripts
and scared the public with those reprehensible "Harry and Louise" ads
where the two rather poor actors warned about having "Big Government in
our medicine cabinets".

Your argument is, thus, a simple one. When even the AMA states that we
must revisit the question of a medical health system that covers every
American, not just those who can afford it, and the best that the Rabid
Right can offer in rebuttal is a poor imitation of a commercial, then
it is, indeed, time for the Right to get out of the way of a fair and
evenhanded healthcare system.

When you hear the arguments about the over regulation of the
pharmaceutical companies, remind them of the horror stories that are
still being reported about the diabetes drug Rezulin.

Because of the budget cuts forced on the FDA (Food & Drug
Administration) by the Rabid Right at the behest of their corporate
owners, the agency is forced to curtail the length and extent of its
testing, putting the drug on its Congressionally mandated "6 month fast
track" and, as in this case, even allow a physician on the payroll of
the drug manufacturer to control and direct the testing. This massive
and, without a doubt, illegal conflict of interest has resulted in the
deaths of, so far, nearly a hundred Americans and has caused massive
liver failure in one out of eight of the patients to whom it has been
prescribed. Even when the evidence was produced that the drug's safety
was simply too questionable to keep it on the market, the FDA folded to
industry pressure and it is still being given to patients with diabetes
with little or follow-up nor even a warning to physicians that they
must constantly monitor these patients for the early signs of the
decline in liver functions which inevitably lead to massive liver
failure and a very painful and unnecessary death.

Compare this sorry example of the Rabid Right's notion of corporate
Nirvana with the episode in Sixties when an FDA physician, Dr. Francis
O. Kelsey, first delayed, and ultimately withheld, approval of a
proposed sedative meant primarily for pregnant women. Two years later,
her logical actions, given her many doubts regarding the drug, were
proven correct when thousands of disfigured newborns were born
worldwide. Members of Congress as well as President Kennedy honored her
insight and resolve in protecting the American public from the drug,
thalidomide.

Would she still have the power or available research to act in that
fashion these days? Of course not. Would she even have been in a
position to conduct the research which alerted her to the possible
issues that would need to be investigated before placing the drug for
sale to Americans? Of course not. Should we allow the Rabid Right to
continue its on going destruction of the FDA? Of course not. It is our
only protection from the greed and insanity of the Right and their
owners in Corporate America. How much longer it will retain even a hint
of its former regulatory powers is the only question that will probably
count, though. (2, 3, 4)

Finally, whenever these self-righteous moral midgets use the term the
"scandal plagued Clinton Administration", remind them that in the long
and truly despicable investigation by that little hemorrhoid, Starr,
and all of his lackeys produced only one, JUST ONE, actual indictment
and that was of the President lying about an incident that had
absolutely nothing to do with his responsibilities to the office and
even that mean spirited indictment, although used as the Rabid Right's
justification for impeachment proceedings, resulted is a "not guilty"
verdict. The only scandal during these last eighth years has been the
absolute stupidity and smallness exhibited by the Rabid Right and their
followers in the conservative media.

Finally, remind them that during the horrors of the Reagan
Administration, nearly four hundred of his appointees were investigated
and ultimately indicted, with more than a hundred being found guilty
and serving sentences or paying fines. Just be very certain that you
are not within reach when you point this little anomaly out to them,
though, since the Rabid Right hates being confronted with the truth
about their little sock puppet God.

Well, there are just a couple of the many easily refuted lies and
misleading nonsense that passes for thought among the Rabid Right. All
that is usually needed to negate any arguments that the Rabid Right can
invent is, of course, only a mind capable of independent thought, a
rare commodity within their ranks.


See: http://www.rateitall.com/i-12891-gary-trudeau.aspx

Again lies from the left! Gesh, don't they know it's easy to check facts
today with google and the internet.



P Fritz December 15th 05 08:00 PM

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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Want to have some ammunition the next time a conservative begins
talking about this sick drive toward what they like to term "smaller
government" when they actually mean a government that kneels in
supplication before Corporate America while passing tax "cuts" that
just transfer the cost of government from the wealthy onto the backs of
the middle-class and poor? Well, here are just a few questions, with
supporting examples, to pose and then watch them squirm (the squirm
part is the one I like best)
First, for those who state that the Canadian national health system is
a bad idea and that the "market" will keep the costs of medical
coverage low and that the American medical community doesn't want it
even discussed, call their bluff with this little quote from the
premier medical journal of the AMA, the Journal of the American Medical
Association (1)

Stating early in the article that the "experiment with market medicine"
is "a failure", it then goes on to proclaim that "The drive for profit
is compromising the quality of care, the number of uninsured persons is
increasing, those with insurance are increasingly dissatisfied,
bureaucracy is proliferating, and costs are again rapidly escalating.
We believe national health insurance deserves a second look."

Remember, the Right could never uncover an intelligent reason to
completely destroy Clinton's plan for a national health care system nor
could they devise a system to offer in its place themselves (but all
the Republicans have ever been good at is overturn whatever social net
exists for the poor). Instead, they played on the average American's
inability to differentiate between reality and actors mouthing scripts
and scared the public with those reprehensible "Harry and Louise" ads
where the two rather poor actors warned about having "Big Government in
our medicine cabinets".

Your argument is, thus, a simple one. When even the AMA states that we
must revisit the question of a medical health system that covers every
American, not just those who can afford it, and the best that the Rabid
Right can offer in rebuttal is a poor imitation of a commercial, then
it is, indeed, time for the Right to get out of the way of a fair and
evenhanded healthcare system.

When you hear the arguments about the over regulation of the
pharmaceutical companies, remind them of the horror stories that are
still being reported about the diabetes drug Rezulin.

Because of the budget cuts forced on the FDA (Food & Drug
Administration) by the Rabid Right at the behest of their corporate
owners, the agency is forced to curtail the length and extent of its
testing, putting the drug on its Congressionally mandated "6 month fast
track" and, as in this case, even allow a physician on the payroll of
the drug manufacturer to control and direct the testing. This massive
and, without a doubt, illegal conflict of interest has resulted in the
deaths of, so far, nearly a hundred Americans and has caused massive
liver failure in one out of eight of the patients to whom it has been
prescribed. Even when the evidence was produced that the drug's safety
was simply too questionable to keep it on the market, the FDA folded to
industry pressure and it is still being given to patients with diabetes
with little or follow-up nor even a warning to physicians that they
must constantly monitor these patients for the early signs of the
decline in liver functions which inevitably lead to massive liver
failure and a very painful and unnecessary death.

Compare this sorry example of the Rabid Right's notion of corporate
Nirvana with the episode in Sixties when an FDA physician, Dr. Francis
O. Kelsey, first delayed, and ultimately withheld, approval of a
proposed sedative meant primarily for pregnant women. Two years later,
her logical actions, given her many doubts regarding the drug, were
proven correct when thousands of disfigured newborns were born
worldwide. Members of Congress as well as President Kennedy honored her
insight and resolve in protecting the American public from the drug,
thalidomide.

Would she still have the power or available research to act in that
fashion these days? Of course not. Would she even have been in a
position to conduct the research which alerted her to the possible
issues that would need to be investigated before placing the drug for
sale to Americans? Of course not. Should we allow the Rabid Right to
continue its on going destruction of the FDA? Of course not. It is our
only protection from the greed and insanity of the Right and their
owners in Corporate America. How much longer it will retain even a hint
of its former regulatory powers is the only question that will probably
count, though. (2, 3, 4)

Finally, whenever these self-righteous moral midgets use the term the
"scandal plagued Clinton Administration", remind them that in the long
and truly despicable investigation by that little hemorrhoid, Starr,
and all of his lackeys produced only one, JUST ONE, actual indictment
and that was of the President lying about an incident that had
absolutely nothing to do with his responsibilities to the office and
even that mean spirited indictment, although used as the Rabid Right's
justification for impeachment proceedings, resulted is a "not guilty"
verdict. The only scandal during these last eighth years has been the
absolute stupidity and smallness exhibited by the Rabid Right and their
followers in the conservative media.

Finally, remind them that during the horrors of the Reagan
Administration, nearly four hundred of his appointees were investigated
and ultimately indicted, with more than a hundred being found guilty
and serving sentences or paying fines. Just be very certain that you
are not within reach when you point this little anomaly out to them,
though, since the Rabid Right hates being confronted with the truth
about their little sock puppet God.

Well, there are just a couple of the many easily refuted lies and
misleading nonsense that passes for thought among the Rabid Right. All
that is usually needed to negate any arguments that the Rabid Right can
invent is, of course, only a mind capable of independent thought, a
rare commodity within their ranks.


See: http://www.rateitall.com/i-12891-gary-trudeau.aspx

Again lies from the left! Gesh, don't they know it's easy to check facts
today with google and the internet.


Yes, they could not get out of the first paragraph without lying.






Jack Goff December 16th 05 04:21 AM

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On 15 Dec 2005 06:23:06 -0800, wrote:


I'm not Kevin, you idiot. But, alas, you need to chastise Jim Hertvik,
not me. HE is the one who thinks it's okay to to talk about someone's
wife, dead mother, even their children.


But atl-man (Kevin?) also wrote:

I ****ing DARE you to let your greedy wife know what you are
saying about other people's famlies.

Here is one of your wedding day pics I found of your lovely bride
http://tinyurl.com/dy95q

So does atl-boy (Kevin?) think it's OK to talk about one's wife, or
not? He seem very confused, yes? And posting his wedding pictures...
does his wife know? bow-wow.

Jack Goff December 16th 05 04:22 AM

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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:49:05 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


Kevin, here is a collection of your *contributions* just this morning:
===================

you are such a low life piece of scum.



you idiot.



you are such a nasty little ****



By the way, are ALL of your kids prostituting? Are you still pimping?



Asshole



you ****ing low life piece of ****.



you little low life pussy.



I'd LOVE to spit right in your **** stained face



What a nasty little pussy you are.

========================





Are you proud of that?


His mama is very proud of him. Does he kiss her with that mouth?


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