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December 2, 2005--Confidence in the War on Terror is up sharply compared to
a month ago. Forty-eight percent (48%) Americans now believe the U.S. and
its Allies are winning. That's up nine points from 39% a month ago and
represents the highest level of confidence measured in 2005.
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(They must have polled Joe Lieberman's household).

As goes Iraq, so goes Bush's poll numbers.

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And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Capt. Jeff

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Harry,
Have you noticed even the Dem's don't want to set a timetable to pull out of
Iraq.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Capt. Jeff

Did we pull out of Iraq over the weekend? That's the only way we'll win
there.


--
Warriors

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"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Absolutely.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Capt. Jeff

Did we pull out of Iraq over the weekend? That's the only way we'll win
there.


When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from Iraq.



That's pretty strange company that you keep.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from Iraq.
That's pretty strange company that you keep.
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a "freedom
fighter"?

Jim C.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
According to your idiot president, more than 80% of those fighting us in
Iraq are not terrorists, but locals, who want us the hell out of their
country.

Of the remaining 20%, only 1% are terrorists. The remainder are NASCAR
fans and hockey players.
Harry, be careful of whom you call " Hockey Players." They fight back!
;-)

Jim C.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Capt. Jeff
Did we pull out of Iraq over the weekend? That's the only way we'll win
there.


When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from
Iraq.


According to your idiot president, more than 80% of those fighting us in
Iraq are not terrorists, but locals, who want us the hell out of their
country.


He never used those numbers.


a.. Terrorists affiliated with or inspired by Al Qaida make up the smallest
enemy group but are the most lethal and pose the most immediate threat
because (1) they are responsible for the most dramatic atrocities, which
kill the most people and function as a recruiting tool for further terrorism
and (2) they espouse the extreme goals of Osama Bin Laden -- chaos in Iraq
which will allow them to establish a base for toppling Iraq's neighbors and
launching attacks outside the region and against the U.S. homeland.
a.. The terrorists have identified Iraq as central to their global
aspirations. For that reason, terrorists and extremists from all parts of
the Middle East and North Africa have found their way to Iraq and made
common cause with indigenous religious extremists and former members of
Saddam's regime. This group cannot be won over and must be defeated --
killed or captured -- through sustained counterterrorism operations.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from
Iraq.
That's pretty strange company that you keep.
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for
the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a "freedom
fighter"?


If another country attacked Canada, and Harry decided to fight for the
freedom of Canadians by blowing up Canadian infrastructure, terrorizing the
Canadian populace, and indescriminately killing the invading forces and
Candian citizens alike, then Harry would be called a "terrorist".

It's those foreign-born non-Iraqis that I'm referring to as terrorists.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim Carter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from
Iraq.
That's pretty strange company that you keep.
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for
the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a "freedom
fighter"?

Jim C.


Are you kidding? NOYB would try to hire someone to fight for him.

I most certainly wouldn't start bombing Canadian citizens and Canadian
infrastructure if Canada were invaded by a Chinese army hellbent on ousting
the Canadian government.

That's a more apt analogy to what's taking place in Iraq.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...
Jim Carter wrote:
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for
the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a
"freedom
fighter"?

Jim C.
I most certainly wouldn't start bombing Canadian citizens and Canadian
infrastructure if Canada were invaded by a Chinese army hellbent on
ousting
the Canadian government.
NOYB, you never answered my question. Terrorist or Freedom Fighter????

Jim C.

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Harry,
Have you noticed even the Dem's don't want to set a timetable to pull out
of
Iraq.

"Kerry drones that we need to "set benchmarks" for the "transfer of
authority." Actually, the administration's been doing that for two years --
setting dates for the return of sovereignty, for electing a national
assembly, for approving a constitution, etc, and meeting all of them. And
all during those same two years Kerry and his fellow Democrats have huffed
that these dates are far too premature, the Iraqis aren't in a position to
take over, hold an election, whatever. The Defeaticrats were against the
benchmarks before they were for them.
These sad hollow men may yet get their way -- which is to say they may
succeed in persuading the American people that a remarkable victory in the
Middle East is in fact a humiliating defeat. It would be an incredible
achievement. Peter Worthington, the Canadian columnist and veteran of World
War II and Korea, likes to say that there's no such thing as an unpopular
won war. The Democrat-media alliance are determined to make Iraq an
exception to that rule. In a week's time, Iraqis will participate in the
most open political contest in the history of the Middle East. They're
building the freest society in the region, and the only truly federal
system. In three-quarters of the country, life has never been better.
There's an economic boom in the Shia south and a tourist boom in the Kurdish
north, and, while the only thing going boom in the Sunni Triangle are the
suicide bombers, there were fewer of those in November than in the previous
seven months.

Meanwhile, Iraq's experiment in Arab liberty has had ripple effects beyond
its borders, pushing the Syrians most of the way out of Lebanon, and in
Syria itself significantly weakening Baby Assad's regime. Saad Eddin
Ibrahim, who's spent years as a beleaguered democracy advocate in Egypt,
told the Washington Post's Jim Hoagland the other day that, although he'd
opposed the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq, he had to admit it had
"unfrozen the Middle East, just as Napoleon's 1798 expedition did. Elections
in Iraq force the theocrats and autocrats to put democracy on the agenda,
even if only to fight against us. Look, neither Napoleon nor President Bush
could impregnate the region with political change. But they were able to be
the midwives."

The Egyptians get it, so do the Iraqis, the Lebanese, the Jordanians and the
Syrians. The choice is never between a risky action and the status quo --
i.e., leaving Saddam in power, U.N. sanctions, U.S. forces sitting on his
borders. The stability fetishists in the State Department and the European
Union fail to understand that there is no status quo: things are always
moving in some direction and, if you leave a dictator and his psychotic sons
in business, and his Oil-for-Food scam up and running, and his nuclear R&D
teams in places, chances are they're moving in his direction.

Toppling Saddam was worth doing in and of itself. Toppling Saddam and trying
to "midwife" (in Ibrahim's word) a free society would be worth doing even if
it failed. But, as it happens, I don't believe it will fail, not just
because of Bush but because enough Iraqis -- Shia, Kurds and even
significant numbers of Sunnis -- are determined not to let it fail."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn...t-steyn04.html






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Tamaroak wrote:
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Capt. Jeff

Did we pull out of Iraq over the weekend? That's the only way we'll win
there.


--
Warriors

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:21:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Absolutely.


Ditto. And, anyone who would open their eyes to something other than NBC, CNN, et al, would also
know so.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...
Jim Carter wrote:
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight
for
the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a
"freedom
fighter"?

Jim C.
I most certainly wouldn't start bombing Canadian citizens and Canadian
infrastructure if Canada were invaded by a Chinese army hellbent on
ousting
the Canadian government.
NOYB, you never answered my question. Terrorist or Freedom Fighter????

I answered your question...but perhaps the answer was a little bit too
subtle for your liking.

The folks who are doing most of the killing of US soldiers and Iraqis are
terrorists. They are foreign-born, and have come to Iraq to conduct
terrorist activities against the US, and anybody who supports the US.

I was born in the US. If I were trying to kill soldiers and blow up
military equipment from an invading country, I'd be a "freedom fighter".
However, if I were using roadside bombs to indescriminately kill American
citizens, American police and security forces, American government offices,
American hotels, and the forces of the invading army, I'd be a terrorist.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from
Iraq.
That's pretty strange company that you keep.
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for
the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a "freedom
fighter"?


If another country attacked Canada, and Harry decided to fight for the
freedom of Canadians by blowing up Canadian infrastructure, terrorizing
the Canadian populace, and indescriminately killing the invading forces
and Candian citizens alike, then Harry would be called a "terrorist".

It's those foreign-born non-Iraqis that I'm referring to as terrorists.





What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and otherwise
creating mayhem for US troops?

If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the majority
of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are being conducted
by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.

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Harry,
Can you prove that most of the terrorist are Iraqis, without citing anyone
connected with any political organization? There really is no reason to
believe anything you post in rec.boats. You have stated many times the only
reason you come to rec.boats is to harass the right wing trash.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and otherwise
creating mayhem for US troops?

If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are being
conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.


B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it. There's no reason to
believe anything the Bush misadministration says or claims about Iraq.



--
GOP healthy forest: No tree left behind.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and otherwise
creating mayhem for US troops?

If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are being
conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.


B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.

Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush administration)",
you have just ruled out every member of our armed forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are the
newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime Minister
al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the killing?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?
If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are
being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.

B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.

Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are the
newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime Minister
al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the killing?

- - -


There's no reason to believe Bush, his administration, or anyone who
reports to it or is beholden to it.


So then:

"Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?"

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Harry,
Tell me what is bothering you. Open up, and just say how you are feeling.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:
Harry,


You *still* haven't figured it out, eh, crap-for-brains?

There is not one opinion of yours nor one piece of advice or information
from you about which I give a ****. Same goes for your questions, your
comments, your "advice," your whatever.

Save your keystrokes for someone who cares.

Is that clear enough for you? Do you get it yet, scumbag?
We're *not* going to be engaging in dialogue, now or ever.
All you will get when I bother to respond at all is a canned response.

Got it?



--
Free markets: Halliburton no-bid contracts at taxpayer expense.

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NYOB,
Have you figured it out yet? Anyone you come up with to substantiate your
claim is not legitimate. If they were legitimate, they would support
Harry's claim.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?
If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the
"resistance" movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you
more. But the majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings
over there are being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are
foreign-born.
B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.
Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are
the newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime
Minister al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the
killing?
- - -


There's no reason to believe Bush, his administration, or anyone who
reports to it or is beholden to it.


So then:

"Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?"

You puzzle it out, and come back when you have some legitimate data.





--
Jesus: A Long Haired, Peace Loving, Anti Establishment, Liberal.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?
If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the
"resistance" movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you
more. But the majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings
over there are being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are
foreign-born.
B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.
Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are
the newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime
Minister al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the
killing?
- - -


There's no reason to believe Bush, his administration, or anyone who
reports to it or is beholden to it.


So then:

"Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?"

You puzzle it out, and come back when you have some legitimate data.

Sorry, I don't play that game. Tell who you'd trust, and I'll find the
reference data to support my statement.

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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
NYOB,
Have you figured it out yet? Anyone you come up with to substantiate your
claim is not legitimate. If they were legitimate, they would support
Harry's claim.

Harry cannot find anybody to support his claim.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:50:43 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:21:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Absolutely.


Ditto. And, anyone who would open their eyes to something other than NBC,
CNN, et al, would also know so.

That's great news, John. Seeing your news sources are so much better than
ours, perhaps you wouldn't mind answering a few questions for the rest of
us. What's the current status on electricity? Sewage? Water? What's
the current unemployment rate in Iraq? What percentage of the schools are
open? What about hospitals?

Now that the situation is improving, I guess we can stop spending money
with the Lincoln Group.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...n/13333175.htm

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:30:24 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from Iraq.
That's pretty strange company that you keep.
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a "freedom
fighter"?

Jim C.


If the people of the country had chosen a government, and the government was being attacked, I would
call the attackers insurgents or terrorists.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:03:24 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
When you say "we" will win, you mean, of course, you, moveon.org, the
Democratic party, and the terrorists who are seeking to oust us from
Iraq.
That's pretty strange company that you keep.
NOYB, if another county attacked the USA, and you decided to fight for
the
freedom of your country, would you be called a "terrorist" or a "freedom
fighter"?


If another country attacked Canada, and Harry decided to fight for the
freedom of Canadians by blowing up Canadian infrastructure, terrorizing the
Canadian populace, and indescriminately killing the invading forces and
Candian citizens alike, then Harry would be called a "terrorist".

It's those foreign-born non-Iraqis that I'm referring to as terrorists.





What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and otherwise
creating mayhem for US troops?

Are they supporting the government of Iraq, Harold?

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:16:30 -0500, "P Fritz" wrote:


"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Harry,
Have you noticed even the Dem's don't want to set a timetable to pull out
of
Iraq.

"Kerry drones that we need to "set benchmarks" for the "transfer of
authority." Actually, the administration's been doing that for two years --
setting dates for the return of sovereignty, for electing a national
assembly, for approving a constitution, etc, and meeting all of them. And
all during those same two years Kerry and his fellow Democrats have huffed
that these dates are far too premature, the Iraqis aren't in a position to
take over, hold an election, whatever. The Defeaticrats were against the
benchmarks before they were for them.

Kerry has two trains of thought.

If something went right, Kerry says, "I've been telling the administration to do that for months."

If something is not right, Kerry says, "I've got a plan that will fix anything."

Some people actually believe him.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?
If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the
"resistance" movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you
more. But the majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings
over there are being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are
foreign-born.
B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove
otherwise, without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying
Bush misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.
Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?
By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are
the newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime
Minister al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the
killing?
- - -


There's no reason to believe Bush, his administration, or anyone who
reports to it or is beholden to it.

So then:

"Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?"
You puzzle it out, and come back when you have some legitimate data.

Sorry, I don't play that game. Tell who you'd trust, and I'll find the
reference data to support my statement.

A legitimate party or organizations not connected in any way to the Bush
Administration or those who report to it or those it controls. There is
real data out there, it all conflicts, of course, but...if you are looking
for real answers, instead of Bush administration b.s., it's there for the
finding.


LOL. Nice dodge.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:26:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?

If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are
being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.


B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.

Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are the
newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime Minister
al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the killing?

NOYB, every source I have come up with cite the numbers of foreign
insurgents to be 10% or less of the insurgency.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4268904.stm

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:50:43 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:21:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?

Absolutely.


Ditto. And, anyone who would open their eyes to something other than NBC,
CNN, et al, would also know so.

That's great news, John. Seeing your news sources are so much better than
ours, perhaps you wouldn't mind answering a few questions for the rest of
us. What's the current status on electricity? Sewage? Water? What's
the current unemployment rate in Iraq? What percentage of the schools are
open? What about hospitals?

Now that the situation is improving, I guess we can stop spending money
with the Lincoln Group.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...n/13333175.htm

Watch *all* the news and reach your own conclusions.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:34:41 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Lord Reginald Smithers wrote:
Harry,


You *still* haven't figured it out, eh, crap-for-brains?

There is not one opinion of yours nor one piece of advice or information
from you about which I give a ****. Same goes for your questions, your
comments, your "advice," your whatever.

Save your keystrokes for someone who cares.

Is that clear enough for you? Do you get it yet, scumbag?
We're *not* going to be engaging in dialogue, now or ever.
All you will get when I bother to respond at all is a canned response.

Got it?

All that may be a true statement of your feelings, Harold. But...he was correct.

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:26:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?

If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are
being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.


B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.

Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are the
newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime Minister
al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the killing?

NOYB, every source I have come up with cite the numbers of foreign
insurgents to be 10% or less of the insurgency.

The number of foreign terrorists isn't what is being discussed here. We're
talking about who is doing most of the killing.

I repeated the opinion of the Bush administration, US military leaders, and
Iraq's government that the majority of the indiscriminate bombings and
killings over there are being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are
foreign-born.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:26:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?
If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are
being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.

B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.
Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are
the
newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime Minister
al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the killing?

NOYB, every source I have come up with cite the numbers of foreign
insurgents to be 10% or less of the insurgency.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4268904.stm


Darn. I was so hoping Noyb would find some resources on his own that
weren't connected to Presidummy.

We're not arguing about how many members of the resistance movement are
foreign born. We're arguing about *who* is doing most of the indiscriminate
killing via IED attacks.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:10:20 -0500, John H. wrote:


Are they supporting the government of Iraq, Harold?

Perhaps, they don't think the government in Iraq is valid. Think Vichy,
John.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:47:48 +0000, NOYB wrote:


The number of foreign terrorists isn't what is being discussed here. We're
talking about who is doing most of the killing.

I repeated the opinion of the Bush administration, US military leaders,
and
Iraq's government that the majority of the indiscriminate bombings and
killings over there are being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are
foreign-born.

I have read that most of the *suicide* bombings are foreign born, but I
haven't read that most of the indiscriminate bombers are foreign.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:36:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
What about the Iraqis who want us out and are shooting at and
otherwise creating mayhem for US troops?
If they're solely targeting US troops, then call them the "resistance"
movement...or "freedom fighters" if that pleases you more. But the
majority of the indiscriminate bombings and killings over there are
being conducted by terrorists...most of whom are foreign-born.
B.S. to the "foreign-born." Most of them are Iraqis. Prove otherwise,
without citing anyone in anyway connected to the lying Bush
misadministration, or anyone who reports to it.
Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?

By adding in the words "anyone who reports to it (the Bush
administration)", you have just ruled out every member of our armed
forces.

So the only other people with eyes and ears on the ground in Iraq are the
newly elected Iraqi officials. Would you like to hear Prime Minister
al-Jafari's take on the question about who's doing the killing?
- - -


There's no reason to believe Bush, his administration, or anyone who
reports to it or is beholden to it.


So then:

"Who would you consider a reputable source to substantiate my claim?"

You puzzle it out, and come back when you have some legitimate data.

In other words, "I know your claim is true, but I don't want to see the proof."

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:14:19 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:16:30 -0500, "P Fritz" wrote:

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Harry,
Have you noticed even the Dem's don't want to set a timetable to pull out
of
Iraq.
"Kerry drones that we need to "set benchmarks" for the "transfer of
authority." Actually, the administration's been doing that for two years --
setting dates for the return of sovereignty, for electing a national
assembly, for approving a constitution, etc, and meeting all of them. And
all during those same two years Kerry and his fellow Democrats have huffed
that these dates are far too premature, the Iraqis aren't in a position to
take over, hold an election, whatever. The Defeaticrats were against the
benchmarks before they were for them.

Kerry has two trains of thought.

That's two more than Bush or you have.

Have you noticed how often, especially in the past few days, your only recourse is a personal
attack?

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.

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Harry,
I know you didn't ask my opinion, but in my humble opinion you are incorrect
in your assumption.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:05:08 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:50:43 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:21:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
And you think the situation in Iraq is improving?
Absolutely.


Ditto. And, anyone who would open their eyes to something other than
NBC,
CNN, et al, would also know so.
That's great news, John. Seeing your news sources are so much better
than
ours, perhaps you wouldn't mind answering a few questions for the rest
of
us. What's the current status on electricity? Sewage? Water? What's
the current unemployment rate in Iraq? What percentage of the schools
are
open? What about hospitals?
Now that the situation is improving, I guess we can stop spending money
with the Lincoln Group.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...n/13333175.htm

Watch *all* the news and reach your own conclusions.

--
John H

What John is saying here is, he doesn't know and he doesn't care.


--
You were right, it's all abut character. Impeach Bush Now.

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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:28:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:14:19 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:16:30 -0500, "P Fritz" wrote:

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
Harry,
Have you noticed even the Dem's don't want to set a timetable to pull out
of
Iraq.
"Kerry drones that we need to "set benchmarks" for the "transfer of
authority." Actually, the administration's been doing that for two years --
setting dates for the return of sovereignty, for electing a national
assembly, for approving a constitution, etc, and meeting all of them. And
all during those same two years Kerry and his fellow Democrats have huffed
that these dates are far too premature, the Iraqis aren't in a position to
take over, hold an election, whatever. The Defeaticrats were against the
benchmarks before they were for them.
Kerry has two trains of thought.
That's two more than Bush or you have.

Have you noticed how often, especially in the past few days, your only recourse is a personal
attack?

--
John H

What makes you think you are worth more than a toss-away line?

See what I mean?

--
John H

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day.