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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of
the bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after
President George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat
the insurgency.

How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this
news Harry?

This story must have made your day.
You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop,
and you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me
you're gung ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.
You're using news of American soldiers' deaths as propaganda to
further a political agenda. If that isn't the definition of
perverse, I'm not sure what is.

As soon as you offer up your body in Iraq to Bush's Folly, I'll take
you more seriously.
I don't care whether or not you take me seriously. The fact is that
you're using news of US soldier deaths as a form of propaganda to
further a political agenda. That's the lazy-man's way to debate. If
you have a solution about how to go forward from here, let's hear it.

Harry and his fellow liberal/progressives won't put forth a plan of
actions because when they do and it doesn't work they will be subject to
criticism. Trying and failing is better than just sitting around bitching
about it.




My plan of action:

1. Tell the Iraqis they have 180 days to take over and control their
country.

2. Pull out on 1 July 2006.


There are supposed to be hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in their new
security forces. There are only supposed to be 10.000 "insurgents" active
in Iraq.

You and Dougie really don't know what it takes to have an combat ready
battalion operational. The support services are massive. Beans and bullets
are just the first needs. There are a very large number of supporting untis
that are needed too.


Iraq is going to divide into two or three states. Let it.

The Turks are going to get really ****ed when their Kurds break away.

The Sunni's and Shia are just going to keep walking further up the river and
****ing into the others drinking water.

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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of
the bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after
President George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat the
insurgency.


How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this news
Harry?

This story must have made your day.

You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop, and
you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me you're
gung ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.

Freedom has a cost to attain and a cost to keep.

Nothing taking place in Iraq has anything to do with freedom in the USA.

The cost of maintaining freedom in the US is dependnt upon what is happening
around the world.

Are we safer now or were we safer when the Soviet Union was still around?

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 18:29:53 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of the
bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after President
George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat the insurgency.



How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this news
Harry?

This story must have made your day.


You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop, and
you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me you're gung
ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.

Freedom has a cost to attain and a cost to keep.

Quite the paradox. Down is up, black is white, cold is hot. Typical
rightie "thinking."

What is your goal in posting about all of the deaths? What about all of the
good that is being done in Iraq? You know, building schools, medical
facilities, putting the utilities back in services. What about all of those
satellite dishes appearing on the houses all over Iraq?


Those are 'good' things, and therefore not bad for Bush, and therefore
not 'good for the country', using Harry's logic.

--
John

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:35:32 -0500, Harry Krause
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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of
the bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after
President George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat the
insurgency.

How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this news
Harry?

This story must have made your day.
You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop, and
you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me you're
gung ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.
You're using news of American soldiers' deaths as propaganda to further
a political agenda. If that isn't the definition of perverse, I'm not
sure what is.

As soon as you offer up your body in Iraq to Bush's Folly, I'll take you
more seriously.
I don't care whether or not you take me seriously. The fact is that
you're using news of US soldier deaths as a form of propaganda to further
a political agenda. That's the lazy-man's way to debate. If you have a
solution about how to go forward from here, let's hear it.

Harry and his fellow liberal/progressives won't put forth a plan of actions
because when they do and it doesn't work they will be subject to criticism.
Trying and failing is better than just sitting around bitching about it.




My plan of action:

1. Tell the Iraqis they have 180 days to take over and control their
country.

2. Pull out on 1 July 2006.


There are supposed to be hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in their new
security forces. There are only supposed to be 10.000 "insurgents"
active in Iraq.

Iraq is going to divide into two or three states. Let it.

Wow, what a plan!

Inane.

--
John

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:13:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

We were safer when the Soviet Union was still around.

Now *that's* not inane!!

--
John

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Wishing you the best as we celebrate the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

NOYB,

Harry has offered a plan. His plan was very simple:
1. Drop leaflets informing the Iraqi's we were going to bomb their country
into the stone age.
2. Give them a reasonable amount of time to leave the country.
3. Bomb every city, town and hobble. Total destroy their entire
infrastructure.
4. Then set up a massive "Marshall Plan" so we could rebuild the country.

As crazy as it sounds, that was Harry's plan.


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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of
the bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after
President George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat the
insurgency.


How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this news
Harry?

This story must have made your day.

You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop, and
you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me you're
gung ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.

You're using news of American soldiers' deaths as propaganda to further
a political agenda. If that isn't the definition of perverse, I'm not
sure what is.


As soon as you offer up your body in Iraq to Bush's Folly, I'll take you
more seriously.

I don't care whether or not you take me seriously. The fact is that
you're using news of US soldier deaths as a form of propaganda to further
a political agenda. That's the lazy-man's way to debate. If you have a
solution about how to go forward from here, let's hear it.

Harry,
I see you have changed your plan from bombing Iraq into the stone age.


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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of
the bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after
President George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat
the insurgency.

How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this
news Harry?

This story must have made your day.
You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop,
and you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me
you're gung ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.
You're using news of American soldiers' deaths as propaganda to
further a political agenda. If that isn't the definition of
perverse, I'm not sure what is.

As soon as you offer up your body in Iraq to Bush's Folly, I'll take
you more seriously.
I don't care whether or not you take me seriously. The fact is that
you're using news of US soldier deaths as a form of propaganda to
further a political agenda. That's the lazy-man's way to debate. If
you have a solution about how to go forward from here, let's hear it.

Harry and his fellow liberal/progressives won't put forth a plan of
actions because when they do and it doesn't work they will be subject to
criticism. Trying and failing is better than just sitting around bitching
about it.




My plan of action:

1. Tell the Iraqis they have 180 days to take over and control their
country.

2. Pull out on 1 July 2006.


There are supposed to be hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in their new
security forces. There are only supposed to be 10.000 "insurgents" active
in Iraq.

Iraq is going to divide into two or three states. Let it.



--
GOP healthy forest: No tree left behind.

Harry,
You sound like the isolationist before WWI and WWII


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Huge roadside bomb kills 10 U.S. Marines near Fallujah

By YASSER FAISAL

Saturday, December 3, 2005 Page A27

Reuters News Service

FALLUJAH -- Ten U.S. Marines were killed by an Iraqi bomb in one of
the bloodiest incidents of the war for Americans, a day after
President George W. Bush laid out a strategy he said would defeat the
insurgency.


How many will be attending your party tonight to *celebrate* this news
Harry?

This story must have made your day.

You guys are really perverse. I think these killings ought to stop, and
you righties think we ought to have more of them. Seems to me you're
gung ho for more US deaths in Iraq, while I am not.

Freedom has a cost to attain and a cost to keep.

Nothing taking place in Iraq has anything to do with freedom in the USA.



--
smarter family.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:59:19 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:


Iraq is going to divide into two or three states. Let it.

The Turks are going to get really ****ed when their Kurds break away.

The Sunni's and Shia are just going to keep walking further up the river
and ****ing into the others drinking water.

Oh, I think it would be considerably worse than that. There's no telling
how long, or how expansive the resulting Civil War would be, but one thing
is certain, Iran's sphere of influence would be greatly enlarged. That is
not a good thing, coupled with the damage to this country's influence and
prestige. But then, Bush and his neo-con buddies should have thought it
through, wouldn't you think? There was a very good reason Bush I stopped
*before* Baghdad, but then he wasn't a nitwit.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:04:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


You know, there *must* be some advisers to the Bush Administration who
tried to tell it what the probable outcome of deposing Saddam was going to
be, and I don't mean the advisers who thought we'd be greeted with rose
petals.

Harry, for all we know, this war may still be going exactly according to
their plans. There are many, very smart people in this administration who
must have known replacing Saddam wasn't going to be easy. I firmly
believe the "rose petals", the WMD, were just so much BS for domestic
consumption. I think NOYB "gets it", as does Marshall. These guys are
insane.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea....marshall.html



The very best thing for *this* country would be for the utter dissolution
of Iraq to take place early in 2008, prior to the fall presidential
elections. so that the neocons can be totally discredited, and we can
elect a new POTUS with a working brain and advisers who are not
warmongers.

I think they were discredited before they started. They needed deception
to make their plans work. Those plans would never survived an open
debate. They had to lie. 9/11 was a gift to the neo-cons. Imagine
selling an Iraq invasion, prior to 9/11. Hell, even in this forum,
besides NOYB and a very few others, how many would have supported a
preemptive invasion of Iraq, before 9/11?