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It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: jps already reported this. It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? Ms. Ralston is being discussed quite a bit in the real world, fella. After all, she was Jack Abramoff's executive assistant at Preston Gates and Ellis and later at the Greenberg Traurig law and lobbying firm, where she served as the assistant director of governmental affairs. Ms. Ralston assists Mr. Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, public liaison, and intergovernmental affairs efforts of the White House. Sounds potentially very juicy. Hope so. So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: jps already reported this. It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? Ms. Ralston is being discussed quite a bit in the real world, fella. After all, she was Jack Abramoff's executive assistant at Preston Gates and Ellis and later at the Greenberg Traurig law and lobbying firm, where she served as the assistant director of governmental affairs. Ms. Ralston assists Mr. Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, public liaison, and intergovernmental affairs efforts of the White House. Sounds potentially very juicy. Hope so. So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Harry conviniently turned a blind eye to this story http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112801683.html The reporter for Time magazine who recently agreed to testify in the CIA leak case is central to White House senior adviser Karl Rove's effort to fend off an indictment in the two-year-old investigation, according to two people familiar with the situation. Viveca Novak, who has written intermittently about the leak case for Time, has been asked to provide sworn testimony to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald in the next few weeks after Rove attorney Robert Luskin told Fitzgerald about a conversation he had with her, the two sources said. |
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: jps already reported this. It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? Ms. Ralston is being discussed quite a bit in the real world, fella. After all, she was Jack Abramoff's executive assistant at Preston Gates and Ellis and later at the Greenberg Traurig law and lobbying firm, where she served as the assistant director of governmental affairs. Ms. Ralston assists Mr. Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, public liaison, and intergovernmental affairs efforts of the White House. Sounds potentially very juicy. Hope so. So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Harry conviniently turned a blind eye to this story http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112801683.html The reporter for Time magazine who recently agreed to testify in the CIA leak case is central to White House senior adviser Karl Rove's effort to fend off an indictment in the two-year-old investigation, according to two people familiar with the situation. Viveca Novak, who has written intermittently about the leak case for Time, has been asked to provide sworn testimony to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald in the next few weeks after Rove attorney Robert Luskin told Fitzgerald about a conversation he had with her, the two sources said. Harry, has a very bad habit of only "reprinting" parts of the article and then editing other parts that will support his political view. I don't believe that Harry ever made any money off of Global Crossing it is just another in the long line of stories to puff up his self impression. |
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Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work.
According to Leopold "Rove instructed her (Ralston) not to log a phone call Rove had with Cooper about Plame in July 2003." Woodward already testified that he spoke with a government official ("not Rove") in mid-June. Why would Rove cover-up a conversation about Plame that he had with Cooper, if it was already common knowledge among the press corp (as Andrea Mitchell admitted to in Oct. 2003...and later recanted) in mid-June? It simply makes no sense. Do you have any reason to doubt Woodward when he says that Plame's name was mentioned very casually as an off-hand comment from someone other than Rove or Libby? "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: jps already reported this. It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? Ms. Ralston is being discussed quite a bit in the real world, fella. After all, she was Jack Abramoff's executive assistant at Preston Gates and Ellis and later at the Greenberg Traurig law and lobbying firm, where she served as the assistant director of governmental affairs. Ms. Ralston assists Mr. Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, public liaison, and intergovernmental affairs efforts of the White House. Sounds potentially very juicy. Hope so. |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:11:16 +0000, NOYB wrote:
Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. That would be dependent on the charges. Rove could be facing the same charges as Libby. That would make the timeline irrelevant. Do you have any reason to doubt Woodward when he says that Plame's name was mentioned very casually as an off-hand comment from someone other than Rove or Libby? No, but believing Woodward doesn't mean Rove or Libby have clear sailing. It also doesn't mean either one, or both, are not the leak. You overlook there could be multiple leaks, a conspiracy to leak, or just one leak that has yet to be charged. I'd also point out that Cheney has not been cleared. The investigation continues. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: jps already reported this. It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? Ms. Ralston is being discussed quite a bit in the real world, fella. After all, she was Jack Abramoff's executive assistant at Preston Gates and Ellis and later at the Greenberg Traurig law and lobbying firm, where she served as the assistant director of governmental affairs. Ms. Ralston assists Mr. Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, public liaison, and intergovernmental affairs efforts of the White House. Sounds potentially very juicy. Hope so. So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Harry conviniently turned a blind eye to this story http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112801683.html The reporter for Time magazine who recently agreed to testify in the CIA leak case is central to White House senior adviser Karl Rove's effort to fend off an indictment in the two-year-old investigation, according to two people familiar with the situation. Viveca Novak, who has written intermittently about the leak case for Time, has been asked to provide sworn testimony to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald in the next few weeks after Rove attorney Robert Luskin told Fitzgerald about a conversation he had with her, the two sources said. Harry, has a very bad habit of only "reprinting" parts of the article and then editing other parts that will support his political view. I don't believe that Harry ever made any money off of Global Crossing it is just another in the long line of stories to puff up his self impression. Bertbrain is soooo confused...a few minutes earlier, he asked: Bert Robbins wrote: \ So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Idiot. I may be an idiot but I earn more money than you do! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: jps already reported this. It's from Jason Leopold...the guy whose reputation was trashed after he fabricated a story posted on Salon.com. Don't you read any decent news articles? Ms. Ralston is being discussed quite a bit in the real world, fella. After all, she was Jack Abramoff's executive assistant at Preston Gates and Ellis and later at the Greenberg Traurig law and lobbying firm, where she served as the assistant director of governmental affairs. Ms. Ralston assists Mr. Rove in overseeing the strategic planning, political affairs, public liaison, and intergovernmental affairs efforts of the White House. Sounds potentially very juicy. Hope so. So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Harry conviniently turned a blind eye to this story http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112801683.html The reporter for Time magazine who recently agreed to testify in the CIA leak case is central to White House senior adviser Karl Rove's effort to fend off an indictment in the two-year-old investigation, according to two people familiar with the situation. Viveca Novak, who has written intermittently about the leak case for Time, has been asked to provide sworn testimony to Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald in the next few weeks after Rove attorney Robert Luskin told Fitzgerald about a conversation he had with her, the two sources said. Harry, has a very bad habit of only "reprinting" parts of the article and then editing other parts that will support his political view. I don't believe that Harry ever made any money off of Global Crossing it is just another in the long line of stories to puff up his self impression. Bertbrain is soooo confused...a few minutes earlier, he asked: Bert Robbins wrote: \ So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Idiot. Harry, I see you have taken some lessons from Kevin. |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
You want to get them so bad that you are ignoring everything that points to the simple fact that almost everybody knew who and what she was from the beginning, not to mention that her status as a "covert" operative was totally and completely debunked. Rove, you betcha. He has a history of very dirty tricks. Trashing anyone who doesn't walk the line. Damn straight, I'd love to see him in wide stripes. Libby? I've nothing against him. I almost feel sorry for him. He seems like he was being a good soldier, nothing more. But, and this is important, I'm more than willing to let the law run it's course. If it was broken, we have a justice system that is built just for this purpose. As for Plame being "covert", you are probably right that she doesn't meet the IIPA's definition, and, to my knowledge, Fitzgerald hasn't claimed she did. However, her status was classified, and leaking classified information is a crime. This Grand Jury isn't going anywhere either - ham sandwich or not. They've got nothing and Woodward just blew the Libby charges up and there's nothing more to "get". Woodward's testimony doesn't change anything. Not the charges against Libby, not Rove's status, nothing. It's just more information that was made public. Oh, and the Abramhoff (sp?) thing you were so hip on? Turns out he was in the Democrats pockets too. Wonder where that one is going? And that makes a difference? If they're dirty, hang 'em. I don't get it. We complain about corruption in government. Yet, when someone is caught with their hand in the cookie jar, we should look the other way, because we agree with their politics? Not me, if their dirty, hang 'em. And personally, I'd hang 'em higher if I agreed with their politics. It's a matter of trust and it brings shame on my side of the aisle. Really - it ain't gonna happen. I know you want it to, I know you hope it does - it ain't gonna happen. Maybe, maybe not, but Fitzgerald is still investigating and the fat lady still hasn't sung. I think there is more to come. |
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If you want to know what I do for a living ask. My life is an open book. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: I don't believe that Harry ever made any money off of Global Crossing it is just another in the long line of stories to puff up his self impression. Bertbrain is soooo confused...a few minutes earlier, he asked: Bert Robbins wrote: \ So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Idiot. I may be an idiot but I earn more money than you do! I'm sure earn more money than Hertvik or Smithers. They're both too embarrassed by what they do to say what they do. :} -- I'm proud of my country, but appalled by my government. |
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"Narcissistic men can be infatuated with their own looks, too, .............. but are more likely than women to get hung up on their intelligence or the importance of their work -- doesn't matter what the work is, if he's doing it, by definition it's more important than anything you could possibly do" "Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor. wrote in message . .. Harry, If you want to know what I do for a living ask. My life is an open book. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: I don't believe that Harry ever made any money off of Global Crossing it is just another in the long line of stories to puff up his self impression. Bertbrain is soooo confused...a few minutes earlier, he asked: Bert Robbins wrote: \ So, did you make your Global Crossing money on the backs of the union brotherhood? Idiot. I may be an idiot but I earn more money than you do! I'm sure earn more money than Hertvik or Smithers. They're both too embarrassed by what they do to say what they do. :} -- I'm proud of my country, but appalled by my government. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. According to Leopold "Rove instructed her (Ralston) not to log a phone call Rove had with Cooper about Plame in July 2003." Woodward already testified that he spoke with a government official ("not Rove") in mid-June. Why would Rove cover-up a conversation about Plame that he had with Cooper, if it was already common knowledge among the press corp (as Andrea Mitchell admitted to in Oct. 2003...and later recanted) in mid-June? It simply makes no sense. Do you have any reason to doubt Woodward when he says that Plame's name was mentioned very casually as an off-hand comment from someone other than Rove or Libby? Covering his own ass, just like Karl and Scooter? Why? He isn't being accused of revealing the name, nor of lying to the grand jury. So why would he lie about the casualness of his conversation with a gov't official in June 2003? |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... doesn't change anything. Not the charges against Libby Horsepoop. The charges of Libby stem from the fact that Fitzgerald believed that Libby was lying when he said that "all the press already knew about Plame" and that he may have found out about Plame from them. Since Woodward's testimony corroborates Libby's testimony, it's impossible for the perjury charges to stick. Fitzgerald's entire timeline blew up in his face with the Woodward testimony. Maybe, maybe not, but Fitzgerald is still investigating and the fat lady still hasn't sung. What does Barney Frank have to do with it? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. Sorry, but you're a dentist in the boondocks, not a prosecutor in the nation's capitol. And you should thank your lucky stars for that. Or I'd be investigating that Global Crossing profit you made. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. Sorry, but you're a dentist in the boondocks, not a prosecutor in the nation's capitol. And you should thank your lucky stars for that. Or I'd be investigating that Global Crossing profit you made. Really? Why? I had no "insider" information. It wouldn't matter if there was a crime. Maybe I could stretch it out for 2 years and catch you in a misstatement...which I could turn into a perjury charge. |
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Harry would have to actually purchased Global Crossing stock. Harry has a long track record of saying he purchased stock after the prices go sky-high and are reported in the news. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. Sorry, but you're a dentist in the boondocks, not a prosecutor in the nation's capitol. And you should thank your lucky stars for that. Or I'd be investigating that Global Crossing profit you made. |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:36:58 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Horsefeathers. What she did may have been classified - viewing documents and analyzing data, but she wasn't classified in any sense of the word. "She works for the CIA" isn't a crime. I've got two neighbors who worked for the CIA - I know it, they told me. Are they criminals? No. Not all CIA employees status is classified, but Plame's was. The Libby indictment clearly states that. As does the memo on Air Force One. It changes everything. One of the issues surrounding Libby was he couldn't remember who told him - he thought it was Russert. Turns out it was probably Woodward. No lie - no foul. Ah, if he couldn't remember, he wouldn't have been charged. He was charged because he clearly remembered Russert telling him. This after Fitzgerald has him discussing Plame half dozen times. Not to mention that you can't lie about a non-crime - no crime, no lie. You have to have a crime - there isn't a crime - no crime. Not true. Perjury is a crime and, as a lawyer, Libby was well aware it was a crime. And I've been right so far. Big to do about nothing. Maybe, maybe not. The CIA has not done a damage assessment as yet. Clearly, Plame was safely in this country and her outing did not put her at risk. Her high profile marriage to Wilson made her an unlikely candidate for any future covert work. So, it is probably safe to say little or no damage was done to her or her career. But what about others? She was at one time a NOC. It is quite likely that the bad guys are checking there databases for any of her contacts. Are they at risk? Along with outing Plame, Brewster Jennings was also outed as a CIA front. Were there any other covert agents associated with Brewster Jennings? Could they be at risk? It might be a big to do about nothing, but can you be sure? |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:25:09 +0000, NOYB wrote:
Horsepoop. The charges of Libby stem from the fact that Fitzgerald believed that Libby was lying when he said that "all the press already knew about Plame" and that he may have found out about Plame from them. Since Woodward's testimony corroborates Libby's testimony, it's impossible for the perjury charges to stick. Fitzgerald's entire timeline blew up in his face with the Woodward testimony. Come on, NOYB, we have both read the indictment. That is not the reasoning behind the charges. And, the timeline *hasn't changed. Fitzgerald has Libby learning of Plame's status as early as June 11 or 12. Woodward learned about her status mid-June. Seems to fit quite nicely. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. Sorry, but you're a dentist in the boondocks, not a prosecutor in the nation's capitol. And you should thank your lucky stars for that. Or I'd be investigating that Global Crossing profit you made. Really? Why? I had no "insider" information. It wouldn't matter if there was a crime. Maybe I could stretch it out for 2 years and catch you in a misstatement...which I could turn into a perjury charge. My guess is that the books of an overly leveraged dentist would yield more fodder Yes, to the overly leveraged. No, to the fodder. My books are squeaky clean. All of my interest is a write-off, so why would I have to cheat to get deductions? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Sorry, but the timeline just doesn't work. Sorry, but you're a dentist in the boondocks, not a prosecutor in the nation's capitol. And you should thank your lucky stars for that. Or I'd be investigating that Global Crossing profit you made. Really? Why? I had no "insider" information. It wouldn't matter if there was a crime. Maybe I could stretch it out for 2 years and catch you in a misstatement...which I could turn into a perjury charge. My guess is that the books of an overly leveraged dentist would yield more fodder Yes, to the overly leveraged. No, to the fodder. My books are squeaky clean. All of my interest is a write-off, so why would I have to cheat to get deductions? If you are earning a profit you are cheating according to Harry. |
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