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NOYB November 30th 05 02:36 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:zz0jf.616
What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?

They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.

Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this, and
they were fired.


But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation through
other sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold
story about the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled
again. "



D'oh. You really don't get it. I don't care about the messenger or the
message, so long as they contribute even indirectly to crippling Bush even
a little so he is less able to destroy America.


If the messenger is Jason Leopold, the message has absolutely no affect on
Bush. The only people reading his stuff are the DUmmies over at Democratic
Underground.



Got it now?

You should. I have been very consistent on this. I am in favor of anything
that harms Bush politically.

It's an attribute I learned from the Bush primary campaign of 2000, when
the future presidummy's handlers went after John McCain.


McCain needed "going after". The man is unstable.




Doug Kanter November 30th 05 02:38 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:zz0jf.616

What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?


They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.


Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this, and
they were fired.


But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation through
other sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold story
about the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled
again. "



Oh no...you're repeating your president's worst lines now?



John H. November 30th 05 04:16 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:zz0jf.616
What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?

They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.

Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this, and
they were fired.


But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation through other
sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold story about
the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled
again. "



D'oh. You really don't get it. I don't care about the messenger or the
message, so long as they contribute even indirectly to crippling Bush
even a little so he is less able to destroy America.

Got it now?

You should. I have been very consistent on this. I am in favor of
anything that harms Bush politically.

It's an attribute I learned from the Bush primary campaign of 2000, when
the future presidummy's handlers went after John McCain.


What you can't seem to understand is that your attitude does more to help Bush
than hinder him. It has become obvious that many Democrat extremists want *only*
what's 'bad for Bush', regardless of what it does to this country.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]

NOYB November 30th 05 04:31 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:zz0jf.616
What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?
They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.

Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this,
and they were fired.
But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation through
other sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold
story about the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled
again. "


D'oh. You really don't get it. I don't care about the messenger or the
message, so long as they contribute even indirectly to crippling Bush
even a little so he is less able to destroy America.

Got it now?

You should. I have been very consistent on this. I am in favor of
anything that harms Bush politically.

It's an attribute I learned from the Bush primary campaign of 2000, when
the future presidummy's handlers went after John McCain.


What you can't seem to understand is that your attitude does more to help
Bush
than hinder him. It has become obvious that many Democrat extremists want
*only*
what's 'bad for Bush', regardless of what it does to this country.



With little exception, what is bad for Bush is good for this country.


GI's get killed------bad for the Commander in Chief. Is it good for the
country?

News about prison abuse used as propaganda-----bad for Bush. Good for the
country?

30,000 jobs lost at GM----bad for Bush. Good for the country?

I'm wondering what "exceptions" you're talking about?



P Fritz November 30th 05 04:44 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:17 -0500, Harry Krause


wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:zz0jf.616
What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?
They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.

Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this,
and they were fired.
But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation

through
other sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold
story about the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get

fooled
again. "


D'oh. You really don't get it. I don't care about the messenger or the
message, so long as they contribute even indirectly to crippling Bush
even a little so he is less able to destroy America.

Got it now?

You should. I have been very consistent on this. I am in favor of
anything that harms Bush politically.

It's an attribute I learned from the Bush primary campaign of 2000,

when
the future presidummy's handlers went after John McCain.

What you can't seem to understand is that your attitude does more to

help
Bush
than hinder him. It has become obvious that many Democrat extremists

want
*only*
what's 'bad for Bush', regardless of what it does to this country.



With little exception, what is bad for Bush is good for this country.


GI's get killed------bad for the Commander in Chief. Is it good for the
country?

News about prison abuse used as propaganda-----bad for Bush. Good for

the
country?

30,000 jobs lost at GM----bad for Bush. Good for the country?

I'm wondering what "exceptions" you're talking about?



"Narcissists are noted for their negative, pessimistic, cynical, or gloomy
outlook on life. Sarcasm seems to be a narcissistic specialty, not to
mention spite. Lacking love and pleasure, they don't have a good reason for
anything they do and they think everyone else is just like them, except
they're honest and the rest of us are hypocrites. Nothing real is ever
perfect enough to satisfy them, so are they are constantly complaining and
criticizing -- to the point of verbal abuse and insult. "






NOYB November 30th 05 04:46 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:zz0jf.616
What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?
They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.

Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this,
and they were fired.
But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation
through other sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a
Leopold story about the Plame investigation. I guess some folks
never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get
fooled again. "


D'oh. You really don't get it. I don't care about the messenger or the
message, so long as they contribute even indirectly to crippling Bush
even a little so he is less able to destroy America.

Got it now?

You should. I have been very consistent on this. I am in favor of
anything that harms Bush politically.

It's an attribute I learned from the Bush primary campaign of 2000,
when the future presidummy's handlers went after John McCain.
What you can't seem to understand is that your attitude does more to
help Bush
than hinder him. It has become obvious that many Democrat extremists
want *only*
what's 'bad for Bush', regardless of what it does to this country.

With little exception, what is bad for Bush is good for this country.


GI's get killed------bad for the Commander in Chief. Is it good for the
country?

News about prison abuse used as propaganda-----bad for Bush. Good for
the country?

30,000 jobs lost at GM----bad for Bush. Good for the country?

I'm wondering what "exceptions" you're talking about?



GI's get killed...more evidence of Bush's bad judgment
Prison abuses...more evidence of Bush's bad leadership
Layoffs...more evidence of Bush's lack of a plan to re-industrialize
America.


You told me how those things are bad for Bush. You didn't tell me how those
things are good for America.

So I'll ask again:

How is it good for the country if GI's are killed or abuse prisoners?

How is it good if GM lays off 30,000 people?




NOYB November 30th 05 04:58 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


wasted lives of US troops coming home in body bags... In the long run,
these will help get us out of Iraq.


So as we said, your side benefits from a high death count...which is why in
some morbid sort of way you delight in the fact that it has gone over 2100.






*JimH* November 30th 05 05:07 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


wasted lives of US troops coming home in body bags... In the long run,
these will help get us out of Iraq.


So as we said, your side benefits from a high death count...which is why
in some morbid sort of way you delight in the fact that it has gone over
2100.


My "side" laments these wasted deaths. At the moment, there is nothing we
can do about them. But we do see that as the numbers pile up, more and
more decent Americans are reaching a state of revulsion over Bush's lies.

But go ahead and make something more out my statement than I mean. It's
about all you righties have left, eh?

Your war against Iraq is an utter failure. Once again, we have shown the
world that our mighty military cannot defeat a dedicated insurgency,
especially in an artificial country that was only held together by the
actions of a brutal dictator.

Iraq will disintegrate. Bet on it.


I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and
can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but
the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the
primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing,
self-securing nationhood--unless the great American military that has given
them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.
Progress is visible and practical. In the Kurdish North, there is continuing
security and growing prosperity. The primarily Shiite South remains largely
free of terrorism, receives much more electric power and other public
services than it did under Saddam, and is experiencing greater economic
activity. The Sunni triangle, geographically defined by Baghdad to the east,
Tikrit to the north and Ramadi to the west, is where most of the terrorist
enemy attacks occur. And yet here, too, there is progress.

There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the
roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraqi hands than before.
All of that says the Iraqi economy is growing. And Sunni candidates are
actively campaigning for seats in the National Assembly. People are working
their way toward a functioning society and economy in the midst of a very
brutal, inhumane, sustained terrorist war against the civilian population
and the Iraqi and American military there to protect it.

It is a war between 27 million and 10,000; 27 million Iraqis who want to
live lives of freedom, opportunity and prosperity and roughly 10,000
terrorists (bush haters and Liberals ) who are either Saddam revanchists,
Iraqi Islamic extremists or al Qaeda foreign fighters who know their
wretched causes will be set back if Iraq becomes free and modern. The
terrorists are intent on stopping this by instigating a civil war to produce
the chaos that will allow Iraq to replace Afghanistan as the base for their
fanatical war-making. We are fighting on the side of the 27 million because
the outcome of this war is critically important to the security and freedom
of America. If the terrorists win, they will be emboldened to strike us
directly again and to further undermine the growing stability and progress
in the Middle East, which has long been a major American national and
economic security priority.

Before going to Iraq last week, I visited Israel and the Palestinian
Authority. Israel has been the only genuine democracy in the region, but it
is now getting some welcome company from the Iraqis and Palestinians who are
in the midst of robust national legislative election campaigns, the Lebanese
who have risen up in proud self-determination after the Hariri assassination
to eject their Syrian occupiers (the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah
militias should be next), and the Kuwaitis, Egyptians and Saudis who have
taken steps to open up their governments more broadly to their people. In my
meeting with the thoughtful prime minister of Iraq, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, he
declared with justifiable pride that his country now has the most open,
democratic political system in the Arab world. He is right.
In the face of terrorist threats and escalating violence, eight million
Iraqis voted for their interim national government in January, almost 10
million participated in the referendum on their new constitution in October,
and even more than that are expected to vote in the elections for a
full-term government on Dec. 15. Every time the 27 million Iraqis have been
given the chance since Saddam was overthrown, they have voted for
self-government and hope over the violence and hatred the 10,000 terrorists
offer them. Most encouraging has been the behavior of the Sunni community,
which, when disappointed by the proposed constitution, registered to vote
and went to the polls instead of taking up arms and going to the streets.
Last week, I was thrilled to see a vigorous political campaign, and a large
number of independent television stations and newspapers covering it.

None of these remarkable changes would have happened without the coalition
forces led by the U.S. And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in
Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if those forces are
withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country.

The leaders of Iraq's duly elected government understand this, and they
asked me for reassurance about America's commitment. The question is whether
the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from
both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more
focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three
years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war
will bring them down in next November's elections, than they are concerned
about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.

Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public
opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing
pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi
universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off
than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives
in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal
mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose
this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize
defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.

The leaders of America's military and diplomatic forces in Iraq, Gen. George
Casey and Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, have a clear and compelling vision of
our mission there. It is to create the environment in which Iraqi democracy,
security and prosperity can take hold and the Iraqis themselves can defend
their political progress against those 10,000 terrorists who would take it
from them.


Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in
Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people
that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the
years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and
no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have
learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from
what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent
use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy
as I saw it being implemented last week.
We are now embedding a core of coalition forces in every Iraqi fighting
unit, which makes each unit more effective and acts as a multiplier of our
forces. Progress in "clearing" and "holding" is being made. The Sixth
Infantry Division of the Iraqi Security Forces now controls and polices more
than one-third of Baghdad on its own. Coalition and Iraqi forces have
together cleared the previously terrorist-controlled cities of Fallujah,
Mosul and Tal Afar, and most of the border with Syria. Those areas are now
being "held" secure by the Iraqi military themselves. Iraqi and coalition
forces are jointly carrying out a mission to clear Ramadi, now the most
dangerous city in Al-Anbar province at the west end of the Sunni Triangle.

Nationwide, American military leaders estimate that about one-third of the
approximately 100,000 members of the Iraqi military are able to "lead the
fight" themselves with logistical support from the U.S., and that that
number should double by next year. If that happens, American military forces
could begin a drawdown in numbers proportional to the increasing
self-sufficiency of the Iraqi forces in 2006. If all goes well, I believe we
can have a much smaller American military presence there by the end of 2006
or in 2007, but it is also likely that our presence will need to be
significant in Iraq or nearby for years to come.

The economic reconstruction of Iraq has gone slower than it should have, and
too much money has been wasted or stolen. Ambassador Khalilzad is now
implementing reform that has worked in Afghanistan--Provincial
Reconstruction Teams, composed of American economic and political experts,
working in partnership in each of Iraq's 18 provinces with its elected
leadership, civil service and the private sector. That is the "build" part
of the "clear, hold and build" strategy, and so is the work American and
international teams are doing to professionalize national and provincial
governmental agencies in Iraq.

These are new ideas that are working and changing the reality on the ground,
which is undoubtedly why the Iraqi people are optimistic about their
future--and why the American people should be, too.


I cannot say enough about the U.S. Army and Marines who are carrying most of
the fight for us in Iraq. They are courageous, smart, effective, innovative,
very honorable and very proud. After a Thanksgiving meal with a great group
of Marines at Camp Fallujah in western Iraq, I asked their commander whether
the morale of his troops had been hurt by the growing public dissent in
America over the war in Iraq. His answer was insightful, instructive and
inspirational: "I would guess that if the opposition and division at home go
on a lot longer and get a lot deeper it might have some effect, but,
Senator, my Marines are motivated by their devotion to each other and the
cause, not by political debates."
Thank you, General. That is a powerful, needed message for the rest of
America and its political leadership at this critical moment in our nation's
history. Semper Fi.




*JimH* November 30th 05 05:17 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


wasted lives of US troops coming home in body bags... In the long run,
these will help get us out of Iraq.
So as we said, your side benefits from a high death count...which is
why in some morbid sort of way you delight in the fact that it has gone
over 2100.
My "side" laments these wasted deaths. At the moment, there is nothing
we can do about them. But we do see that as the numbers pile up, more
and more decent Americans are reaching a state of revulsion over Bush's
lies.

But go ahead and make something more out my statement than I mean. It's
about all you righties have left, eh?

Your war against Iraq is an utter failure. Once again, we have shown the
world that our mighty military cannot defeat a dedicated insurgency,
especially in an artificial country that was only held together by the
actions of a brutal dictator.

Iraq will disintegrate. Bet on it.


I have just returned


Is there some reason why you keep projectile vomiting that
"speech"?


I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and
can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but
the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the
primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing,
self-securing nationhood--unless the great American military that has given
them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.
Progress is visible and practical. In the Kurdish North, there is continuing
security and growing prosperity. The primarily Shiite South remains largely
free of terrorism, receives much more electric power and other public
services than it did under Saddam, and is experiencing greater economic
activity. The Sunni triangle, geographically defined by Baghdad to the east,
Tikrit to the north and Ramadi to the west, is where most of the terrorist
enemy attacks occur. And yet here, too, there is progress.

There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the
roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraqi hands than before.
All of that says the Iraqi economy is growing. And Sunni candidates are
actively campaigning for seats in the National Assembly. People are working
their way toward a functioning society and economy in the midst of a very
brutal, inhumane, sustained terrorist war against the civilian population
and the Iraqi and American military there to protect it.

It is a war between 27 million and 10,000; 27 million Iraqis who want to
live lives of freedom, opportunity and prosperity and roughly 10,000
terrorists (bush haters and Liberals ) who are either Saddam revanchists,
Iraqi Islamic extremists or al Qaeda foreign fighters who know their
wretched causes will be set back if Iraq becomes free and modern. The
terrorists are intent on stopping this by instigating a civil war to produce
the chaos that will allow Iraq to replace Afghanistan as the base for their
fanatical war-making. We are fighting on the side of the 27 million because
the outcome of this war is critically important to the security and freedom
of America. If the terrorists win, they will be emboldened to strike us
directly again and to further undermine the growing stability and progress
in the Middle East, which has long been a major American national and
economic security priority.

Before going to Iraq last week, I visited Israel and the Palestinian
Authority. Israel has been the only genuine democracy in the region, but it
is now getting some welcome company from the Iraqis and Palestinians who are
in the midst of robust national legislative election campaigns, the Lebanese
who have risen up in proud self-determination after the Hariri assassination
to eject their Syrian occupiers (the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah
militias should be next), and the Kuwaitis, Egyptians and Saudis who have
taken steps to open up their governments more broadly to their people. In my
meeting with the thoughtful prime minister of Iraq, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, he
declared with justifiable pride that his country now has the most open,
democratic political system in the Arab world. He is right.
In the face of terrorist threats and escalating violence, eight million
Iraqis voted for their interim national government in January, almost 10
million participated in the referendum on their new constitution in October,
and even more than that are expected to vote in the elections for a
full-term government on Dec. 15. Every time the 27 million Iraqis have been
given the chance since Saddam was overthrown, they have voted for
self-government and hope over the violence and hatred the 10,000 terrorists
offer them. Most encouraging has been the behavior of the Sunni community,
which, when disappointed by the proposed constitution, registered to vote
and went to the polls instead of taking up arms and going to the streets.
Last week, I was thrilled to see a vigorous political campaign, and a large
number of independent television stations and newspapers covering it.

None of these remarkable changes would have happened without the coalition
forces led by the U.S. And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in
Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if those forces are
withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country.

The leaders of Iraq's duly elected government understand this, and they
asked me for reassurance about America's commitment. The question is whether
the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from
both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more
focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three
years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war
will bring them down in next November's elections, than they are concerned
about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.

Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public
opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing
pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi
universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off
than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives
in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal
mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose
this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize
defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.

The leaders of America's military and diplomatic forces in Iraq, Gen. George
Casey and Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, have a clear and compelling vision of
our mission there. It is to create the environment in which Iraqi democracy,
security and prosperity can take hold and the Iraqis themselves can defend
their political progress against those 10,000 terrorists who would take it
from them.

Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in
Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people
that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the
years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and
no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have
learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from
what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent
use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy
as I saw it being implemented last week.
We are now embedding a core of coalition forces in every Iraqi fighting
unit, which makes each unit more effective and acts as a multiplier of our
forces. Progress in "clearing" and "holding" is being made. The Sixth
Infantry Division of the Iraqi Security Forces now controls and polices more
than one-third of Baghdad on its own. Coalition and Iraqi forces have
together cleared the previously terrorist-controlled cities of Fallujah,
Mosul and Tal Afar, and most of the border with Syria. Those areas are now
being "held" secure by the Iraqi military themselves. Iraqi and coalition
forces are jointly carrying out a mission to clear Ramadi, now the most
dangerous city in Al-Anbar province at the west end of the Sunni Triangle.

Nationwide, American military leaders estimate that about one-third of the
approximately 100,000 members of the Iraqi military are able to "lead the
fight" themselves with logistical support from the U.S., and that that
number should double by next year. If that happens, American military forces
could begin a drawdown in numbers proportional to the increasing
self-sufficiency of the Iraqi forces in 2006. If all goes well, I believe we
can have a much smaller American military presence there by the end of 2006
or in 2007, but it is also likely that our presence will need to be
significant in Iraq or nearby for years to come.

The economic reconstruction of Iraq has gone slower than it should have, and
too much money has been wasted or stolen. Ambassador Khalilzad is now
implementing reform that has worked in Afghanistan--Provincial
Reconstruction Teams, composed of American economic and political experts,
working in partnership in each of Iraq's 18 provinces with its elected
leadership, civil service and the private sector. That is the "build" part
of the "clear, hold and build" strategy, and so is the work American and
international teams are doing to professionalize national and provincial
governmental agencies in Iraq.

These are new ideas that are working and changing the reality on the ground,
which is undoubtedly why the Iraqi people are optimistic about their
future--and why the American people should be, too.

I cannot say enough about the U.S. Army and Marines who are carrying most of
the fight for us in Iraq. They are courageous, smart, effective, innovative,
very honorable and very proud. After a Thanksgiving meal with a great group
of Marines at Camp Fallujah in western Iraq, I asked their commander whether
the morale of his troops had been hurt by the growing public dissent in
America over the war in Iraq. His answer was insightful, instructive and
inspirational: "I would guess that if the opposition and division at home go
on a lot longer and get a lot deeper it might have some effect, but,
Senator, my Marines are motivated by their devotion to each other and the
cause, not by political debates."

Thank you, General. That is a powerful, needed message for the rest of
America and its political leadership at this critical moment in our nation's
history. Semper Fi.




John H. November 30th 05 06:10 PM

OT--More bias in the press...especially from those liberal news organizations
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:28:59 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:24:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:zz0jf.616
What did the NYT do with the reporters who faked their stories?
They have fired the ones who have been caught at it, as they had no
choice.

Thanks for the information. To summarize, a few reporters did this, and
they were fired.
But folks like Jason Leopold continue to spread misinformation through other
sources. For instance, both jps and Harry jumped on a Leopold story about
the Plame investigation. I guess some folks never learn.

" Fool me once, shameon - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled
again. "


D'oh. You really don't get it. I don't care about the messenger or the
message, so long as they contribute even indirectly to crippling Bush
even a little so he is less able to destroy America.

Got it now?

You should. I have been very consistent on this. I am in favor of
anything that harms Bush politically.

It's an attribute I learned from the Bush primary campaign of 2000, when
the future presidummy's handlers went after John McCain.


What you can't seem to understand is that your attitude does more to help Bush
than hinder him. It has become obvious that many Democrat extremists want *only*
what's 'bad for Bush', regardless of what it does to this country.



With little exception, what is bad for Bush is good for this country.


Again, that statement is the height of stupidity.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"
[A Self-obsessed Hypocrite]


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