Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

The loan company says that the boat must be CG documented. What are the
rules/requirements for CG documentation? And what's the purpose of it?

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

The loan company says that the boat must be CG documented. What are the
rules/requirements for CG documentation? And what's the purpose of it?


The CG document is a certificate of ownership.

In some ways, it is like a "title" that you could get from your state
government, but the CG document trumps state titles (and in fact,
states are prohibited from issuing titles to boats with a CG document).
The document will list the HIN, the builder, the owner (you), and the
leinholder (the loan company).

Your lender prefers a document to a state title because it is a lot
easier to repo the boat if you stop making payments and decide to hide
out in Alabam or Louisiana to avoid your creditors :-)

Most states still require that you *register* the boat and pay any
associated sales or use tax, even though your boat will be "documented"
rather than titled. The regulation that prevents states from issuing
titles to documented boats does not prohibit states from requiring a
registration. However, you can not display state registration numbers
on your hull if you are documented.

There is some chance you may be boating in a foreign country, such as
the Bahamas (?),
and you will have some itsy bitsy little teeny bit better security in
the ownership of your boat with a certificate of ownership backed up by
the US Government than one backed up by the State of _________.

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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

The loan company says that the boat must be CG documented. What are the
rules/requirements for CG documentation? And what's the purpose of it?


The CG document is a certificate of ownership.

In some ways, it is like a "title" that you could get from your state
government, but the CG document trumps state titles (and in fact,
states are prohibited from issuing titles to boats with a CG document).
The document will list the HIN, the builder, the owner (you), and the
leinholder (the loan company).

Your lender prefers a document to a state title because it is a lot
easier to repo the boat if you stop making payments and decide to hide
out in Alabam or Louisiana to avoid your creditors :-)

They must have looked at my debt to income ratio. ;-)


Most states still require that you *register* the boat and pay any
associated sales or use tax, even though your boat will be "documented"
rather than titled. The regulation that prevents states from issuing
titles to documented boats does not prohibit states from requiring a
registration. However, you can not display state registration numbers
on your hull if you are documented.


Great info! But the boat that I'm buying:
a) has a title
b) has state registration numbers
c) has not been documented

The current owner doesn't have a lien against it. Perhaps that's why he
never documented it?

I am paying cash for the boat, and then turning around and financing it
after the fact. The title will be in my possession by then. I suspect that
I'll have to surrender the title to the finance company in exchange for the
CG document.





There is some chance you may be boating in a foreign country, such as
the Bahamas (?),
and you will have some itsy bitsy little teeny bit better security in
the ownership of your boat with a certificate of ownership backed up by
the US Government than one backed up by the State of _________.

Is that the only "benefit"?

Where does the name have to appear on the boat? Gunwales? Transom? And
how soon after the purchase do I have to get that info stickered or painted
on the boat?

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

The loan company says that the boat must be CG documented. What are the
rules/requirements for CG documentation? And what's the purpose of it?

Here's a couple.....

http://www.excelcredit.com/coast_gua...umentation.htm
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/vdoc/nvdc.htm

--

Thanks.

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NOYB wrote in message
nk.net...


Where does the name have to appear on the boat? Gunwales? Transom? And
how soon after the purchase do I have to get that info stickered or
painted
on the boat?


Usually a documented boat has the name on the transom at a minimum, along
with the hailing port name. There are regulations as to the size of the
lettering of the hailing port. Also, the documentation number is supposed to
be permanently affixed to an internal structural part of the hull in a
manner in which it's removal would be noticeable. These numbers also have
size requirements. My boat has the numbers burned into a teak plank that is
affixed to a bulkhead in the engine room. I cheated by simply bolting the
plank to the bulkhead whereas most I've seen are glassed on.

I am not sure what the requirements are for a twin engine outboard though.
Seems there may not be enough room on the transom for a boat name and
hailing port.
BTW - Florida *is* one of the states that requires a state registration even
though the boat is federally documented. I had my Navigator in Florida
waters for over a year and was technically supposed to register it there.
(90 day rule). I never did and got away with it. MA does not require state
registration of documented boats, although I am sure it will occur to some
bureaucrat that it would be another revenue stream someday. One nice thing
about documenting the boat is that the yearly renewal is free and the USCG
automatically sends a renewal notice.

Eisboch

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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
nk.net...


Where does the name have to appear on the boat? Gunwales? Transom? And
how soon after the purchase do I have to get that info stickered or
painted
on the boat?


Usually a documented boat has the name on the transom at a minimum, along
with the hailing port name. There are regulations as to the size of the
lettering of the hailing port. Also, the documentation number is supposed
to
be permanently affixed to an internal structural part of the hull in a
manner in which it's removal would be noticeable. These numbers also have
size requirements. My boat has the numbers burned into a teak plank that
is
affixed to a bulkhead in the engine room. I cheated by simply bolting the
plank to the bulkhead whereas most I've seen are glassed on.

I am not sure what the requirements are for a twin engine outboard though.
Seems there may not be enough room on the transom for a boat name and
hailing port.
BTW - Florida *is* one of the states that requires a state registration
even
though the boat is federally documented.

Does that mean the boat will have "FL" numbers as well? I thought you
couldn't put state registration numbers on a documented boat?

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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?


Yeah, right. Like I would tell you so that you can monkey with the surveyor
and/or seller.

I'll post the marina's name on Sunday when I get back to Naples...after the
sale goes through.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:07:46 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Does that mean the boat will have "FL" numbers as well? I thought you
couldn't put state registration numbers on a documented boat?

================================================== =

No registration numbers but you are supposed to display the small
square "FL sticker" somewhere on the forward port side of the boat.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

NOYB,
I am wondering if you are offering rides and fishing trips on your new boat.
If you want I can bring Kevin down with me.


"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message
...
NOYB,
I am wondering if you are offering rides and fishing trips on your new
boat. If you want I can bring Kevin down with me.


I suspect that he'd leave the same slime on my boat that a catfish leaves on
your fishing line. And once that happens, the other fish stop biting. No
thanks.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.


So what have you almost bought?

Did you choose gas because you got a huge discount compared to a diesel
boat, or do you actually prefer gas?

If you have never operated a twin screw boat, it isn't that hard to
learn but you will want to stay mentally sharp- particularly at first.
I operate a single screw most of the time, so when I am called upon to
operate twins I wind up deliberately thinking my way through the
process- but running my single is almost "instinctive". If you have
operated smaller twin screws, the upsize to 31' won't be a huge issue-
and in many respects a larger boat can be a little easier to operate
(greater inertia) than a smaller one. You do have less room to recover
if you get into trouble with a larger boat, but if you stay out of
trouble in the first place you should be fine.

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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.


So what have you almost bought?

Grady White 30' Marlin



Did you choose gas because you got a huge discount compared to a diesel
boat, or do you actually prefer gas?


Twin Yamaha outboards. I need a shallow draft boat down here. They're
2-strokes because all of the four-stroke boats were too much money for my
budget.

But if you look at Yamaha performance specs for the 250 hp two-stroke vs.
the four-stroke, the two-stroke's fuel economy at cruise is not far off from
the four-stroke.

2-stroke: Almost 33 mph yielding a little over 1.4mpg
4-stroke: Approx. 30 mph yielding just under 1.6mpg

At trolling speed and WOT, there is a much bigger difference though with the
2-stroke.



If you have never operated a twin screw boat, it isn't that hard to
learn but you will want to stay mentally sharp- particularly at first.
I operate a single screw most of the time, so when I am called upon to
operate twins I wind up deliberately thinking my way through the
process- but running my single is almost "instinctive". If you have
operated smaller twin screws, the upsize to 31' won't be a huge issue-
and in many respects a larger boat can be a little easier to operate
(greater inertia) than a smaller one. You do have less room to recover
if you get into trouble with a larger boat, but if you stay out of
trouble in the first place you should be fine.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:40:02 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.

======================================

Yes, and you can also turn the engines (steering wheel) in the
direction you want to spin the boat.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What helped me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
nk.net...


Where does the name have to appear on the boat? Gunwales? Transom?
And
how soon after the purchase do I have to get that info stickered or
painted
on the boat?


Usually a documented boat has the name on the transom at a minimum,
along
with the hailing port name. There are regulations as to the size of the
lettering of the hailing port. Also, the documentation number is
supposed
to
be permanently affixed to an internal structural part of the hull in a
manner in which it's removal would be noticeable. These numbers also
have
size requirements. My boat has the numbers burned into a teak plank that
is
affixed to a bulkhead in the engine room. I cheated by simply bolting
the
plank to the bulkhead whereas most I've seen are glassed on.

I am not sure what the requirements are for a twin engine outboard
though.
Seems there may not be enough room on the transom for a boat name and
hailing port.
BTW - Florida *is* one of the states that requires a state registration
even
though the boat is federally documented.

Does that mean the boat will have "FL" numbers as well? I thought you
couldn't put state registration numbers on a documented boat?

If it is like Mich, the state will issue you numbers, but you do not
display them on the boat.

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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?


Yeah, right. Like I would tell you so that you can monkey with the surveyor
and/or seller.

I'll post the marina's name on Sunday when I get back to Naples...after the
sale goes through.

Jeez, you're paranoid little putz, aren't you? By telling the name of
the marina, how would anybody know who the surveyor, or owner was? It's
odd that every time that Harry mentions buying or selling something,
you all pig pile on, asking for all the details, and if they aren't
given, you call him a liar. Have an Ybor Gold for me, it's good stuff.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by
increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What helped
me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.


Just make sure to keep the wheel/ drives centered when using the throttles
to maneuver.

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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done
on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey
won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd
give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling
on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?


Yeah, right. Like I would tell you so that you can monkey with the
surveyor
and/or seller.

I'll post the marina's name on Sunday when I get back to Naples...after
the
sale goes through.

Jeez, you're paranoid little putz, aren't you? By telling the name of
the marina, how would anybody know who the surveyor, or owner was? It's
odd that every time that Harry mentions buying or selling something,
you all pig pile on, asking for all the details, and if they aren't
given, you call him a liar. Have an Ybor Gold for me, it's good stuff.

I never call Harry a liar. I believe that he owns the boats that he says he
does, and he has done the things that he says he has. But I'm pretty sure
that the lobster boat is co-owned with somebody else.

As for you...
I don't believe you have a *real* engineering degree. Possibly an
engineering technology degree...but certainly not a real, honest-to-goodness
bachelor degree in engineering.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

NOYB,
Can you imagine any project Kevin worked on? Kevin has never been one to
show any attention to detail that one would expect from an engineer.



"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being
done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey
won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd
give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling
on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?


Yeah, right. Like I would tell you so that you can monkey with the
surveyor
and/or seller.

I'll post the marina's name on Sunday when I get back to Naples...after
the
sale goes through.

Jeez, you're paranoid little putz, aren't you? By telling the name of
the marina, how would anybody know who the surveyor, or owner was? It's
odd that every time that Harry mentions buying or selling something,
you all pig pile on, asking for all the details, and if they aren't
given, you call him a liar. Have an Ybor Gold for me, it's good stuff.

I never call Harry a liar. I believe that he owns the boats that he says
he does, and he has done the things that he says he has. But I'm pretty
sure that the lobster boat is co-owned with somebody else.

As for you...
I don't believe you have a *real* engineering degree. Possibly an
engineering technology degree...but certainly not a real,
honest-to-goodness bachelor degree in engineering.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
I never call Harry a liar. I believe that he owns the boats that he says
he does, and he has done the things that he says he has. But I'm pretty
sure that the lobster boat is co-owned with somebody else.

OK NOYB, I will bet you $10,000 that Harry does not own the Lobster Boat and
has not graduated from Yale. ; )

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

Kevin,
What was the venue the saw the APO perform?


wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being done
on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey
won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd
give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling
on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?


Yeah, right. Like I would tell you so that you can monkey with the
surveyor
and/or seller.

I'll post the marina's name on Sunday when I get back to Naples...after
the
sale goes through.

Jeez, you're paranoid little putz, aren't you? By telling the name of
the marina, how would anybody know who the surveyor, or owner was? It's
odd that every time that Harry mentions buying or selling something,
you all pig pile on, asking for all the details, and if they aren't
given, you call him a liar. Have an Ybor Gold for me, it's good stuff.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

Edit Kevin,
What was the venue where you saw the APO perform?


wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
I just sent the check to the surveyor yesterday. Survey is being
done on
Friday. I'm looking at the boat on Saturday. The official survey
won't
be
sent to me until Monday or Tuesday, but the surveyor said that he'd
give
me
a verbal thumbs up or down by Saturday.

By Saturday at noon, I could be burning $350 worth of gas travelling
on
the
boat en route to Naples from the seller's marina near Tampa.

What marina?


Yeah, right. Like I would tell you so that you can monkey with the
surveyor
and/or seller.

I'll post the marina's name on Sunday when I get back to Naples...after
the
sale goes through.

Jeez, you're paranoid little putz, aren't you? By telling the name of
the marina, how would anybody know who the surveyor, or owner was? It's
odd that every time that Harry mentions buying or selling something,
you all pig pile on, asking for all the details, and if they aren't
given, you call him a liar. Have an Ybor Gold for me, it's good stuff.

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:47:36 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What helped me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.


Did you mean a bike, or a tricycle? They aren't the same, if there is anything
other than *very* slow speed on the bike.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:47:36 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by
increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What helped
me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.


Did you mean a bike, or a tricycle? They aren't the same, if there is
anything
other than *very* slow speed on the bike.

--


Yes, I mean your relative hand position when turning the handle bars on a
bicycle. Turn left and your left hand is down (towards your body) and
right hand pushed up (away from your body). Turn the bow on your boat to
the left (port) with the engines your left hand goes down (putting the port
engine in reverse gear) and your right hand goes up (putting the starboard
engine in forward gear).

I always sterned into the dock. The port engine generally stayed in reverse
and I did all/most of the maneuvering with the starboard engine (going
between forward and reverse gears). I never touched the steering wheel.

It worked for me. ;-)

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:45:25 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:47:36 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by
increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What helped
me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.


Did you mean a bike, or a tricycle? They aren't the same, if there is
anything
other than *very* slow speed on the bike.

--


Yes, I mean your relative hand position when turning the handle bars on a
bicycle. Turn left and your left hand is down (towards your body) and
right hand pushed up (away from your body). Turn the bow on your boat to
the left (port) with the engines your left hand goes down (putting the port
engine in reverse gear) and your right hand goes up (putting the starboard
engine in forward gear).

I always sterned into the dock. The port engine generally stayed in reverse
and I did all/most of the maneuvering with the starboard engine (going
between forward and reverse gears). I never touched the steering wheel.

It worked for me. ;-)


If you are going faster than a walking speed on a bicycle (or motorcycle),
pulling the left handlebar towards you will cause you to go right. Another way
of thinking of it is this, pushing the right handlebar away from you will cause
the bike to go right. Push right, go right. Push left, go left.

Maybe this will explain it better:

"If we intentionally move the contact patch line from vertically beneath the
Center of Gravity, the bike will start to lean. For example, if while riding the
bike straight ahead, we press on the left bar the front wheel points to the
right. The front wheel tracks to the right (sometimes called “out tracking”). So
the weight of bike and rider is now to the LEFT of it’s “support” on the ground,
the tire contact patches. Because the weight is to the left, the bike leans to
the left. It is important to note, for a LEFT turn, we initiate a lean to the
left by pressing on the left bar, turning the front wheel to the RIGHT. This is
often referred to as COUNTERSTEERING: a turn to the left initiated by turning
the front wheel to the right."

The above from: http://www.rider-ed.com/tips/motorcyclestability.htm

In your initial post, if you change the word to tricycle, you'll be correct,
UNLESS you're talking about going in reverse, which most of us can't do on a
bike anyway!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:45:25 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:47:36 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin
screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning
experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate
the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by
increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What
helped
me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse
and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you
were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.


Did you mean a bike, or a tricycle? They aren't the same, if there is
anything
other than *very* slow speed on the bike.

--


Yes, I mean your relative hand position when turning the handle bars on a
bicycle. Turn left and your left hand is down (towards your body) and
right hand pushed up (away from your body). Turn the bow on your boat to
the left (port) with the engines your left hand goes down (putting the
port
engine in reverse gear) and your right hand goes up (putting the starboard
engine in forward gear).

I always sterned into the dock. The port engine generally stayed in
reverse
and I did all/most of the maneuvering with the starboard engine (going
between forward and reverse gears). I never touched the steering wheel.

It worked for me. ;-)


If you are going faster than a walking speed on a bicycle (or motorcycle),
pulling the left handlebar towards you will cause you to go right. Another
way
of thinking of it is this, pushing the right handlebar away from you will
cause
the bike to go right. Push right, go right. Push left, go left.

Maybe this will explain it better:

"If we intentionally move the contact patch line from vertically beneath
the
Center of Gravity, the bike will start to lean. For example, if while
riding the
bike straight ahead, we press on the left bar the front wheel points to
the
right. The front wheel tracks to the right (sometimes called "out
tracking"). So
the weight of bike and rider is now to the LEFT of it's "support" on the
ground,
the tire contact patches. Because the weight is to the left, the bike
leans to
the left. It is important to note, for a LEFT turn, we initiate a lean to
the
left by pressing on the left bar, turning the front wheel to the RIGHT.
This is
often referred to as COUNTERSTEERING: a turn to the left initiated by
turning
the front wheel to the right."

The above from: http://www.rider-ed.com/tips/motorcyclestability.htm

In your initial post, if you change the word to tricycle, you'll be
correct,
UNLESS you're talking about going in reverse, which most of us can't do on
a
bike anyway!

--
John H.


Never mind John. You are trying to make this far more complicated then it
needs to be.

Have you ever had twins?

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

Wayne.B wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:07:46 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Does that mean the boat will have "FL" numbers as well? I thought you
couldn't put state registration numbers on a documented boat?

================================================== =

No registration numbers but you are supposed to display the small
square "FL sticker" somewhere on the forward port side of the boat.


What Wayne said.
It's just a way of gathering revenues.

Eisboch

Could have a new boat by Saturday
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:04:20 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:45:25 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:47:36 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:43:25 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

I've been boating for over 20 years, buy have never owned a twin
screw
boat
this size (31' LOA...10'7" beam). It should be a learning
experience.

=============================================

There are a few new tricks but with a ouboards that can be steered,
you can handle it almost like a single. One of the issues with twin
OBs is that the props are not usually far enough apart to generate
the
steering torque necessary to turn the boat in its own length, as most
twin inboards can by putting one engine in forward and the other in
reverse.

Thanks, Wayne. I heard that you can compensate a little bit by
increasing
the throttle with the reverse engine.



Once you learn to properly operate twins you will love them. What
helped
me
with my first boat with twins (IO's) was to think of the throttles as a
handle bar on a bike. To turn the bow to port put the port in reverse
and
starboard in forward. Your hand position would be the same as if you
were
turning a bike to the left.

The boat looks like a beauty. Congratulations.


Did you mean a bike, or a tricycle? They aren't the same, if there is
anything
other than *very* slow speed on the bike.

--


Yes, I mean your relative hand position when turning the handle bars on a
bicycle. Turn left and your left hand is down (towards your body) and
right hand pushed up (away from your body). Turn the bow on your boat to
the left (port) with the engines your left hand goes down (putting the
port
engine in reverse gear) and your right hand goes up (putting the starboard
engine in forward gear).

I always sterned into the dock. The port engine generally stayed in
reverse
and I did all/most of the maneuvering with the starboard engine (going
between forward and reverse gears). I never touched the steering wheel.

It worked for me. ;-)


If you are going faster than a walking speed on a bicycle (or motorcycle),
pulling the left handlebar towards you will cause you to go right. Another
way
of thinking of it is this, pushing the right handlebar away from you will
cause
the bike to go right. Push right, go right. Push left, go left.

Maybe this will explain it better:

"If we intentionally move the contact patch line from vertically beneath
the
Center of Gravity, the bike will start to lean. For example, if while
riding the
bike straight ahead, we press on the left bar the front wheel points to
the
right. The front wheel tracks to the right (sometimes called "out
tracking"). So
the weight of bike and rider is now to the LEFT of it's "support" on the
ground,
the tire contact patches. Because the weight is to the left, the bike
leans to
the left. It is important to note, for a LEFT turn, we initiate a lean to
the
left by pressing on the left bar, turning the front wheel to the RIGHT.
This is
often referred to as COUNTERSTEERING: a turn to the left initiated by
turning
the front wheel to the right."

The above from: http://www.rider-ed.com/tips/motorcyclestability.htm

In your initial post, if you change the word to tricycle, you'll be
correct,
UNLESS you're talking about going in reverse, which most of us can't do on
a
bike anyway!

--
John H.


Never mind John. You are trying to make this far more complicated then it
needs to be.

Have you ever had twins?


No, I was not trying to make it complicated. Having been a motorcycle riding
instructor, the small error you made was immediately noticeable. Your statement
was true for a tricycle, but not a bicycle at any speed other than walking.

No, I've not had any babies at all!

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes