When WWIII Started
 

A must read historical account of Terrorism against the US:

This is not very long, but very informative. You have to read the
catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone
can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home
from Iraq, sit back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no
one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III
began in November 1979... that alarm has been ringing for years.

US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station,
Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave. It is an
accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this
action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more
than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it
should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has
been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button
and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students
attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an
outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's
most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on
this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the
next 25 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience
and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President
Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in
the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol
of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since
the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly
organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was
doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and
killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect
her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil
continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven
into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63
people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once
more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden
down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the
US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed.
America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives
is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her
slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the
gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a
restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into
the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and
the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are
continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achilles Laura is
hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of
the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners
when they
bombed TAW Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic
bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing
259.

Clifton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still
trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993,
two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in
Largely, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested
after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground
parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people
are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an
act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35
yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It
destroys the Kohlrabi Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and
injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they
see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with
precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks
and goes back to sleep.

The US Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12
October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded
killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war,
but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans
think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong
they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we
chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high
officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know.
But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you
can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA
or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been
developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think
we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until
we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of
Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever.. We have
to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of
life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again
and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems
all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we
need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

--
Skipper

When WWIII Started
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
A must read historical account of Terrorism against the US:

It's curious you would bring anything like this up, Adolf, since so many
of your kind worked so hard during World War II in Europe to kill so
many Allied soldiers.

You know, Bad Moon Rising is a GREAT sound, Krause. Though it does
remind one of your influence on this once fine NG.

--
Skipper

When WWIII Started
 

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

--
Skipper

So when will you signup?

When WWIII Started
 

Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

So when will you signup?

I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

--
Skipper

When WWIII Started
 

Skipper wrote:

Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

So when will you signup?

I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

If those fundamentalists came up the street to burn my car...well,
fortunately, I live in a country were it is legal to keep and bear arms.
Those fundies might just receive more than they bargained for...

--
Skipper

When WWIII Started
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

So when will you signup?

I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?

Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of medals.
I'm VERY proud of that kid. He's now working for an operation in San
Diego modifying and maintaining choppers.

--
Skipper

When WWIII Started
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

So when will you signup?

I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of
war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?

Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of medals.


That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped over to
Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.



The Marines who have served/are serving in Iraq who I have acquaintances
with all say differently, including a US Marine who just came back to the
States for a 2 week leave after serving over 9 months in
Iraq.............and he will be returning to Iraq after this brief R&R.

When WWIII Started
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:49:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
A must read historical account of Terrorism against the US:

Skipper


It's curious you would bring anything like this up, Adolf, since so many
of your kind worked so hard during World War II in Europe to kill so
many Allied soldiers.

Tell us, Harry...what is his "kind." Try to be specific.


--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

When WWIII Started
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:01:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

So when will you signup?

I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?

Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of medals.


That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped over
to Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.

But the question was about you, Adolf. If you've signed up, why are you
still in Derby, Kansas, pretending to be a boater?

They said all that in their request to stop sending stuff? I think you're making
up more crap, Harry.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

When WWIII Started
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:09:11 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.

So when will you signup?

I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of
war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?

Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of medals.


That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped over to
Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.



The Marines who have served/are serving in Iraq who I have acquaintances
with all say differently, including a US Marine who just came back to the
States for a 2 week leave after serving over 9 months in
Iraq.............and he will be returning to Iraq after this brief R&R.


He's making up more crap.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

When WWIII Started
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:07:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:09:11 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
snip..
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.
So when will you signup?
I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of
war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.
You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?
Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of medals.

That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped over to
Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.


The Marines who have served/are serving in Iraq who I have acquaintances
with all say differently, including a US Marine who just came back to the
States for a 2 week leave after serving over 9 months in
Iraq.............and he will be returning to Iraq after this brief R&R.


He's making up more crap.


Yeah, yeah, everything is wonderful and everyone supports the war, and
all the families who have lost sons in Iraq feel terrific about it...
except for the many who do not, and whose feelings you dismiss and
cannot accept, because they fly in the face of your life.

The real feelings of families are not the topic. The topic is the bull****
you're inventing.

Nothing new though.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

When WWIII Started
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:43:31 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:07:49 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:09:11 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
snip..
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.
So when will you signup?
I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of
war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.
You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?
Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of medals.

That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped over to
Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.

The Marines who have served/are serving in Iraq who I have acquaintances
with all say differently, including a US Marine who just came back to the
States for a 2 week leave after serving over 9 months in
Iraq.............and he will be returning to Iraq after this brief R&R.

He's making up more crap.

Yeah, yeah, everything is wonderful and everyone supports the war, and
all the families who have lost sons in Iraq feel terrific about it...
except for the many who do not, and whose feelings you dismiss and
cannot accept, because they fly in the face of your life.

The real feelings of families are not the topic. The topic is the bull****
you're inventing.

Nothing new though.



It isn't my problem that you are delusional enough to think that a great
number of families of soldiers killed in Bush's war don't feel that the
lives of their loved ones were wasted. Some of these families have been
interview on television, though probably not on Fox, which apparently is
all you watch for news.

Support for your president and his war is in the tank, John. That's the
reality, though your reality obviously differs.

The real feelings of families are not the topic. The topic is the bull****
you're inventing.

Nothing new though.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

When WWIII Started
 

Harry Krause wrote:
It isn't my problem that you are delusional enough to think that a great
number of families of soldiers killed in Bush's war don't feel that the
lives of their loved ones were wasted. Some of these families have been
interview on television, though probably not on Fox, which apparently is
all you watch for news.

Support for your president and his war is in the tank, John. That's the
reality, though your reality obviously differs.

"Delusional"? -- Krauseter, surely you jest. Yale, MD, Lobster Boat?

Best wishes,

William

When WWIII Started
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Some of these families have been interview on television, though
probably not on Fox, which apparently is all you watch for news.

Sad. You really are becoming a mental midget, Krause.

--
Skipper

When WWIII Started
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Skipper wrote:

Don White wrote:


Skipper wrote:
snip..


Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.


So when will you signup?


I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.

--
Skipper



You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?


I think he meant he goes down to wave the new recruits off and wish them
good luck, not to actually put himself in harms way.

When WWIII Started
 

John,
One of Harry's favorite tricks is to read an article and then summarize the
article as "a friend sent me email". It must be tough to have to invent all
of these imaginary friends.


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:07:49 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:09:11 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
snip..
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the
courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is
not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.
So when will you signup?
I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of
war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they
are
now doing in France.
You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with
your
chest?
Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of
medals.

That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of
three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped
over to
Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.


The Marines who have served/are serving in Iraq who I have
acquaintances
with all say differently, including a US Marine who just came back to
the
States for a 2 week leave after serving over 9 months in
Iraq.............and he will be returning to Iraq after this brief R&R.


He's making up more crap.


Yeah, yeah, everything is wonderful and everyone supports the war, and
all the families who have lost sons in Iraq feel terrific about it...
except for the many who do not, and whose feelings you dismiss and
cannot accept, because they fly in the face of your life.

The real feelings of families are not the topic. The topic is the bull****
you're inventing.

Nothing new though.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes

When WWIII Started
 

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Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
snip..


Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.


So when will you signup?


I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they are
now doing in France.


--
Skipper



You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with your
chest?

Harry, why arn't you and Guzzi-boy over there acting as human shields
for the insurgents?

When WWIII Started
 

Yup.


On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:13:42 -0500, "Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @
Diploma Mill .com wrote:

John,
One of Harry's favorite tricks is to read an article and then summarize the
article as "a friend sent me email". It must be tough to have to invent all
of these imaginary friends.


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:07:49 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:09:11 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Don White wrote:
Skipper wrote:
snip..
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the
courage,
political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't
have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is
not a
political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our
children in years to come.
So when will you signup?
I have signed up to support our troops and the CiC during a time of
war.
I'm not one of those continually hitting the snooze alarm as they
are
now doing in France.
You have? Then why aren't you over in Iraq, stopping an IED with
your
chest?
Well, actually, my favorite nephew recently returned from lengthily
Marine Corps tours in Iraq and Afghanistan with a chest full of
medals.

That's nice. I recently had indirect contract with the families of
three
hard-working young men who were in the National Guard, got shipped
over to
Iraq, and came back dead in a bag with chests full of shrapnel.

Wasted lives. And their families think so, too.


The Marines who have served/are serving in Iraq who I have
acquaintances
with all say differently, including a US Marine who just came back to
the
States for a 2 week leave after serving over 9 months in
Iraq.............and he will be returning to Iraq after this brief R&R.


He's making up more crap.


Yeah, yeah, everything is wonderful and everyone supports the war, and
all the families who have lost sons in Iraq feel terrific about it...
except for the many who do not, and whose feelings you dismiss and
cannot accept, because they fly in the face of your life.

The real feelings of families are not the topic. The topic is the bull****
you're inventing.

Nothing new though.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes