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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:22:46 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Typical, Christian zealots need to rule by fear, because there are no facts! Pat Robertson warns Pa. town of disaster THE ASSOCIATED PRESS VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design. Robertson takes the term "loose cannon" to totally new levels. :-) But, Robertson is right the issue. Either you acknowlege God or you don't. If you don't acknowledge God then why are you asking Him for things? which has what to do with science? and it was freedom, not religion, that made america great. saudi arabia has religion. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:25:38 -0500, "P Fritz"
wrote: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Typical, Christian zealots need to rule by fear, because there are no facts! Pat Robertson warns Pa. town of disaster THE ASSOCIATED PRESS VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design. Robertson takes the term "loose cannon" to totally new levels. :-) But, Robertson is right the issue. Either you acknowlege God or you don't. If you don't acknowledge God then why are you asking Him for things? It is pretty funny to see the claim about ruling by fear.........that is straight out of the liebral playbook. robertson's a liberal?? gee...you must be ghengis khan. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:48:22 -0500, "Bert Robbins"
wrote: He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. ROFLMAO!! he never read the bible! jesus did PRECISELY this! --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... jps wrote: Put Robertson in a robe and you'd have a hard time distinguishing him from a fanatical Islamic lunatic. ...or the Looney Left's Howard Dean. Pardon me Snippy, but I don't recall Howard Dean using God as a hammer. Could you please cite an example or, as you are able, cut and paste something together that supports your vapid theory. Who put the muzzle on Dean. The guy is laughable and the DNC is ****ed that they let him be their leader. As soon as Hillary starts here run he will be out on his ass. What in God's name does this have to do with Pat Robertson being a religious zealot? I realize you're in the running for the Snippy Trophy of Density (STD), but, in order to win you'll have to make comments that exceed Snippy's density. Happy birthday just the same Bertie. The happy birthday wish is a day late but I thank you for remembering. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Why Rev. Chuck I didn't know you were a Net-Evangilist. For someone that hates religion you sure do quote the bible alot. |
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and
you can sell him fishing equipment.”—Author unknown "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak."-Author unknown "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested. Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is: John Chapter 21 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead. 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me." If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer than I could have ever believed. It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith. No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name. jps |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote: In article , PocoLoco415 @hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean it is going to the poor. You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should have known. He's using the Union Local's and and National's as his example. |
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“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he
will sit in the boat and drink beer all day.”—OldFox "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you can sell him fishing equipment.”—Author unknown "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak."-Author unknown "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested. Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is: John Chapter 21 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead. 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me." If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer than I could have ever believed. It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith. No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name. jps |
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"Teach a man to fish, and you introduce another competitor into the
overcrowded fishing industry. Give a man a fish, and you stimulate demand for your product" "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you can sell him fishing equipment.”—Author unknown "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak."-Author unknown "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested. Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is: John Chapter 21 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead. 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me." If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer than I could have ever believed. It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith. No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name. jps |
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Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and run the
risk of overfishing, contravening EU fishing policy, reducing the biodiversity of the world's oceans and increasing the economic decline of our once-great fishing industry." "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he will sit in the boat and drink beer all day.”—OldFox "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you can sell him fishing equipment.”—Author unknown "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak."-Author unknown "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested. Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is: John Chapter 21 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead. 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me." If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer than I could have ever believed. It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith. No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name. jps |
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"Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message . .. Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and run the risk of overfishing, contravening EU fishing policy, reducing the biodiversity of the world's oceans and increasing the economic decline of our once-great fishing industry." "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he will sit in the boat and drink beer all day."-OldFox "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you can sell him fishing equipment."-Author unknown "Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to sell fish and he eats steak."-Author unknown "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Only a person unwilling to know and understand the Bible would take that passage as you and Chuck took it. A truly spiritual person sees much more in it..........certainly not what Chuck suggested. Read this passage and tell me what your interpretation is: John Chapter 21 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish. 9 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead. 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to dress yourself and go where you wanted; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19 He said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when he had said this, he said to him, "Follow me." If you think this passage is about teaching a man to fish you're dimmer than I could have ever believed. It's a metaphor for the direction in which you cast your life and faith. No wonder neo-christians have such a bad name. jps |
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*JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. The origin of the line, "Teach a man to fish" is from a Buddhist philosopher , btw. Doesn't appear anywhere in the Bible- to the very best of my knowledge. |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. There is little more ironic on the internet than "Christian conservatives" trying to figure out what Jesus would do and then claiming their behavior towards those who need help fits that model. taught, conflicting biblical passages notwithstanding. Sorry Harry but you are reading far too much into my reply. |
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"Mr. Smithers" The University called, I lost my PhD. wrote in message ... Most church books are subject to an audit. There is a financial committee who oversees the spending, and an independent auditor reviewing it annually. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote: In article , PocoLoco415 @hotmail.com says... On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote: Bert Robbins wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article .com, says... What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals. All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote folks for any number of reasons. There are consequences. While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was a raging liberal. He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves. Gotcha! Matthew, Chapter 14 14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me. 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. 14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. 14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. 14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies, "Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-) Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well. :-) You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay for the fish! That's the point you want to make, post facto. The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to fish." Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on didn't quite pan out. Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich would see reason in redistributing wealth. "easier for a camel..." jps Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how much is *voluntarily* given to the poor. A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean it is going to the poor. You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should have known. That's right, John. Churches never lie about where the money is going, and Army recruiters never lie to those they are trying to induce into signing up. Everything is perfect in your world. Except: March 5: Missing Church Funds Reported and Web Produced by: I-Team Updated: 03/05/04 17:35:08 THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MISUSE OF FUNDS AT CINCINNATI'S LARGEST PARISH IS NOW WITH THE HAMILTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR. I-TEAM REPORTER LAURE QUINLIVAN HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE ALLEGED MISUSE OF FUNDS AT GOOD SHEPHERD PARISH BY FORMER PASTOR REVEREND TOM AXE. LAURE WHAT'S THE LATEST? PROSECUTOR MIKE ALLEN MUST NOW DECIDE WHETHER TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO A GRAND JURY. REVEREND TOM AXE IS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF ARCHBISHOP DANIEL PILARCZYK, AND THE ARCHDIOCESE IS REFUSING COMMENT ON THIS CASE. FATHER AXE TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT IN NOVEMBER. IN HIS LAST TALK FROM THE PULPIT, HE TOLD PARISHONERS AN AUDIT FOUND SOME FUNDS IN A DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNT WENT FOR THE PASTOR'S PERSONAL BENEFIT. HE SAID A FULL AUDIT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE SOON. FOUR MONTHS LATER, GOOD SHEPHERD PARISHONERS ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE THE AUDIT. PARISHONERS WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS TAKEN AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. MONTGOMERY POLICE CHIEF KIRK NORDBLOOM BEGAN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN DECEMBER. And about 20,000 other hits. You can certainly find corruption in all religions Harry. We are human and have potential moral weaknesses. I knew someone responsible for counting the collection plate basket and stole cash from it. Did this make my Church bad or evil? Yes, there are bad players in all religions. However, I do not think that the *Church* in general intestinally lies about their donations and budgets. That's not my point. My point was that without audited financials, one has no idea where that collected money is going. My house of worship publishes an annual financial report AND a quarterly balance sheet in its newsletter. So does my father-in-law's. Fair enough. I agree that the Church's books should be subject to audit. I did not know they weren't. Maybe they are thinking of Rev. Jackson's church. |
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*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. Still confused, sorry. I don't have any idea whether you are a Christian or not, and it doesn't really matter; do you agree or disagree that according to the 14th Chapter of Matthew Jesus passed out free fish to 5000 hungry people? Do you feel that the story never occured and is simply a metaphor illustrating the wise husbandry of natural resources (fish and grain) managed for abundance rather than exploited for profit? (That's still a reasonably liberal idea- if Jesus had been a conservative with enough bread and fish to feed 5000 hungry people he would have done a quick bit of market research and determined what the going price ought to be. just kidding!) Do you agree or disagree with Bert's statement that Jesus would be more likely to tell a hungry person to go and learn to fish, and perhaps even offer free fishing lessons, than to alleviate the immediate hunger? A group I am loosely associated with helped feed hot chili and chicken soup to over 200 homeless and people yesterday in Occidental Park, near Pioneer Square. In about half an hour, I will be going back downtown to work a breakfast in the basement of an old church, where something around another 200 people will come in for a hot, sit-down meal. We used to do the Saturday feedings at another park just a few blocks away, but frankly the "Christians" ran us out. One guy who was sort of afraid, I guess, to set foot in the park filled with homeless people would stand across the street and yell about hell-fire and damnation on a bullhorn. He was bent on convincing these folks that the next bad decision they made was going to send them straight to hell, where they would burn and suffer for eternity. Another woman who couldn't sing to save her life would stand in the park and bellow "Amazing Grace", "The Old Rugged Cross", and etc- also through a bullhorn. I suspect the folks with the bullhorns threatening eternal suffering in hell or providing some contemporary suffering through really awful and ridiculously loud singing would probably inspire people to go learn to fish. :-) Maybe Bert was right. I sort of see feeding the indigent poor sort of like being a fireman. You can drive down the street and see a house and say, "Oh, look. That house isn't being cared for very well. The yard is overgrown, the paint is peeling off, the porch is sagging and the roof looks bad. It probably needs better plumbing, wiring, and should be remodeled to include a media room. We should pressure the owner to improve his property and bring it up to neighborhood standards. Oh, and yeah- by the way, it's on fire." First thing you do is put out the fire. If our little group feeds 400 people a month, for a year, that's 4800 meals. I would guess that 4799 lives will probably not be significantly altered as the result of a cup of hot chili or a plate of biscuits, sausage, gravy, (and sometimes eggs). But if one person, during the year, either makes a good decision or avoid making a bad one because they have something in thier stomach for a while and that puts their life on a slightly more positive course then it's all worth it. Would Jesus feed the people in the park of serve breakfast in the old church? Who knows. It isn't really about religion, it's about demonstrating some compassion and doing a very small, somewhat insignificant thing to alleviate some want and suffering. Whatever Jesus would do, my point is that there is no Biblical evidence that he would respond to hungry people by suggesting they go and learn to fish. Heck, according to another story he even provided wine to a bunch of folks at a wedding party who had *already* consumed the party's entire supply and couldn't have been entirely sober. Maybe he should have told them to go plant a vinyard. :-) |
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wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. Still confused, sorry. Nope. I am not. It seems you are though, so I will say it again one more time. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. I don't have any idea whether you are a Christian or not, and it doesn't really matter; You are correct. do you agree or disagree that according to the 14th Chapter of Matthew Jesus passed out free fish to 5000 hungry people?= I believe that the miracle occured. Do you agree or disagree with Bert's statement that Jesus would be more likely to tell a hungry person to go and learn to fish, and perhaps even offer free fishing lessons, than to alleviate the immediate hunger? I did not read where Bert said Jesus would just tell someone to go and learn to fish if they were hungry. Could you point that particular quote out for me Chuck? A group I am loosely associated with helped feed hot chili and chicken soup to over 200 homeless and people yesterday in Occidental Park, near Pioneer Square. In about half an hour, I will be going back downtown to work a breakfast in the basement of an old church, where something around another 200 people will come in for a hot, sit-down meal. And that is a great thing you are doing. When are you moving on to the next step........ teaching these folks so they can get a job and provide food for themselves. We used to do the Saturday feedings at another park just a few blocks away, but frankly the "Christians" ran us out. What does a *Christian* look like Chuck? One guy who was sort of afraid, I guess, to set foot in the park filled with homeless people would stand across the street and yell about hell-fire and damnation on a bullhorn. He was bent on convincing these folks that the next bad decision they made was going to send them straight to hell, where they would burn and suffer for eternity. Another woman who couldn't sing to save her life would stand in the park and bellow "Amazing Grace", "The Old Rugged Cross", and etc- also through a bullhorn. I suspect the folks with the bullhorns threatening eternal suffering in hell or providing some contemporary suffering through really awful and ridiculously loud singing would probably inspire people to go learn to fish. :-) Those folks are better described as lunatics Chuck. Yes, I suppost they might be some sort of Christians, but their behavior puts them on the lunatic fringe. BTW: Why do you need to embelish the story? I doubt what you told was anything close to accurate. I sort of see feeding the indigent poor sort of like being a fireman. You can drive down the street and see a house and say, "Oh, look. That house isn't being cared for very well. The yard is overgrown, the paint is peeling off, the porch is sagging and the roof looks bad. It probably needs better plumbing, wiring, and should be remodeled to include a media room. We should pressure the owner to improve his property and bring it up to neighborhood standards. Oh, and yeah- by the way, it's on fire." First thing you do is put out the fire. Yep, and then you teach him how to fish. If our little group feeds 400 people a month, for a year, that's 4800 meals. I would guess that 4799 lives will probably not be significantly altered as the result of a cup of hot chili or a plate of biscuits, sausage, gravy, (and sometimes eggs). But if one person, during the year, either makes a good decision or avoid making a bad one because they have something in thier stomach for a while and that puts their life on a slightly more positive course then it's all worth it. Not if they keep coming back and rely on *you* for their food. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: March 5: Missing Church Funds blah, blah... And about 20,000 other hits. So? I got 15.7 MILLION hits for "union corruption". |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:48:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Jack Goff wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: March 5: Missing Church Funds blah, blah... And about 20,000 other hits. So? I got 15.7 MILLION hits for "union corruption". Hey...don't forget this one, jackoff: Results 1 - 30 of about 1,470,000 English pages for "jack off" You're famous! And I only got 317,000 hits for "rectal fissure". As I suspected, you're a nobody. |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:44:07 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:48:39 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: March 5: Missing Church Funds blah, blah... And about 20,000 other hits. So? I got 15.7 MILLION hits for "union corruption". Hey...don't forget this one, jackoff: Results 1 - 30 of about 1,470,000 English pages for "jack off" You're famous! And I only got 317,000 hits for "rectal fissure". As I suspected, you're a nobody. You're letting yourself get sucked into his pit. -- John H. "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
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*JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. Still confused, sorry. Nope. I am not. It seems you are though, so I will say it again one more time. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. I don't have any idea whether you are a Christian or not, and it doesn't really matter; You are correct. do you agree or disagree that according to the 14th Chapter of Matthew Jesus passed out free fish to 5000 hungry people?= I believe that the miracle occured. Do you agree or disagree with Bert's statement that Jesus would be more likely to tell a hungry person to go and learn to fish, and perhaps even offer free fishing lessons, than to alleviate the immediate hunger? I did not read where Bert said Jesus would just tell someone to go and learn to fish if they were hungry. Could you point that particular quote out for me Chuck? Certainly: "He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves." A group I am loosely associated with helped feed hot chili and chicken soup to over 200 homeless and people yesterday in Occidental Park, near Pioneer Square. In about half an hour, I will be going back downtown to work a breakfast in the basement of an old church, where something around another 200 people will come in for a hot, sit-down meal. And that is a great thing you are doing. When are you moving on to the next step........ teaching these folks so they can get a job and provide food for themselves. We used to do the Saturday feedings at another park just a few blocks away, but frankly the "Christians" ran us out. What does a *Christian* look like Chuck? Like all sorts of things. You can't tell a Christian by looking. However, some Christians are more easily identified by particular behaviors. One guy who was sort of afraid, I guess, to set foot in the park filled with homeless people would stand across the street and yell about hell-fire and damnation on a bullhorn. He was bent on convincing these folks that the next bad decision they made was going to send them straight to hell, where they would burn and suffer for eternity. Another woman who couldn't sing to save her life would stand in the park and bellow "Amazing Grace", "The Old Rugged Cross", and etc- also through a bullhorn. I suspect the folks with the bullhorns threatening eternal suffering in hell or providing some contemporary suffering through really awful and ridiculously loud singing would probably inspire people to go learn to fish. :-) Those folks are better described as lunatics Chuck. Yes, I suppost they might be some sort of Christians, but their behavior puts them on the lunatic fringe. BTW: Why do you need to embelish the story? I doubt what you told was anything close to accurate. Not embellished a bit. And you don't have to look far to find bizarre characters doing strange things in the name of religion. Are you telling me you don't have "street preachers" in your little suburb in Ohio? You probably don't- but next time you're off in an actual city someplace and not hanging out in a well-policed shopping mall keep an eye peeled for street preachers. I've never been to a big city where there *aren't* street preachers. Those two bull horn shouters were on hand for several Saturdays in a row. No embellishment required. |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. Still confused, sorry. Nope. I am not. It seems you are though, so I will say it again one more time. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. I don't have any idea whether you are a Christian or not, and it doesn't really matter; You are correct. do you agree or disagree that according to the 14th Chapter of Matthew Jesus passed out free fish to 5000 hungry people?= I believe that the miracle occured. Do you agree or disagree with Bert's statement that Jesus would be more likely to tell a hungry person to go and learn to fish, and perhaps even offer free fishing lessons, than to alleviate the immediate hunger? I did not read where Bert said Jesus would just tell someone to go and learn to fish if they were hungry. Could you point that particular quote out for me Chuck? Certainly: "He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves." There is quite a bit of difference between what you claimed he said and what he actually said. Nice try though. |
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Nov 13, 9:57 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.boats From: Harry Krause - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:57:34 -0500 Local: Sun, Nov 13 2005 9:57 pm Subject: OT Right Wing Christian Zealots Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Nov 20, 9:57 pm). - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - wrote: *JimH* wrote: wrote in message ups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Remind me again where I said this passage is about teaching a man to fish. If you can reply without name calling it would truly be a miracle. You didn't state that. However, after Bert said, "If Jesus had been a liberal he would have passed out fish instead of teaching people to fish" and I cited the Bible story where Jesus passed out fish to 5,000 people (without asking any of them to learn to fish), you offered your passage in rebuttal. That would seem, by extension, to be supporting Bert's statement that Jesus didn't pass out food to hungry people and instead told them to go learn to fish. Nope. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. Still confused, sorry. Nope. I am not. It seems you are though, so I will say it again one more time. I simply asked jps how he would interpret the passage I quoted. His interpretation was spot on and provided support to my initial point. I don't have any idea whether you are a Christian or not, and it doesn't really matter; You are correct. do you agree or disagree that according to the 14th Chapter of Matthew Jesus passed out free fish to 5000 hungry people?= I believe that the miracle occured. Do you agree or disagree with Bert's statement that Jesus would be more likely to tell a hungry person to go and learn to fish, and perhaps even offer free fishing lessons, than to alleviate the immediate hunger? I did not read where Bert said Jesus would just tell someone to go and learn to fish if they were hungry. Could you point that particular quote out for me Chuck? Certainly: "He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves." A group I am loosely associated with helped feed hot chili and chicken soup to over 200 homeless and people yesterday in Occidental Park, near Pioneer Square. In about half an hour, I will be going back downtown to work a breakfast in the basement of an old church, where something around another 200 people will come in for a hot, sit-down meal. And that is a great thing you are doing. When are you moving on to the next step........ teaching these folks so they can get a job and provide food for themselves. We used to do the Saturday feedings at another park just a few blocks away, but frankly the "Christians" ran us out. What does a *Christian* look like Chuck? Like all sorts of things. You can't tell a Christian by looking. However, some Christians are more easily identified by particular behaviors. One guy who was sort of afraid, I guess, to set foot in the park filled with homeless people would stand across the street and yell about hell-fire and damnation on a bullhorn. He was bent on convincing these folks that the next bad decision they made was going to send them straight to hell, where they would burn and suffer for eternity. Another woman who couldn't sing to save her life would stand in the park and bellow "Amazing Grace", "The Old Rugged Cross", and etc- also through a bullhorn. I suspect the folks with the bullhorns threatening eternal suffering in hell or providing some contemporary suffering through really awful and ridiculously loud singing would probably inspire people to go learn to fish. :-) Those folks are better described as lunatics Chuck. Yes, I suppost they might be some sort of Christians, but their behavior puts them on the lunatic fringe. BTW: Why do you need to embelish the story? I doubt what you told was anything close to accurate. Not embellished a bit. And you don't have to look far to find bizarre characters doing strange things in the name of religion. Are you telling me you don't have "street preachers" in your little suburb in Ohio? You probably don't- but next time you're off in an actual city someplace and not hanging out in a well-policed shopping mall keep an eye peeled for street preachers. I've never been to a big city where there *aren't* street preachers. Those two bull horn shouters were on hand for several Saturdays in a row. No embellishment required. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll be sure to bring that up the next time someone in our little area some sort of shopping center: it'll attract religious zealots, and that is reason enough to turn down any shopping center! Seriously, there are some Jesus-freaks with powered megaphones nearly every day at the park at Connecticut and K in downtown DC, and some of these droolers sometimes wander across the street to the sidewalk of a building in which we have a long-time client. I've managed toresist the temptation to pour water on them from an upper floor. Don't let the Bullhorns bother you Harry, it's been going on now for better than 250 years. You ought to appreciate them Harry, seeing you are such a defender of free speech, that is unless that speech is something you seemingly don't agree with. "Bullhorning" is one thing that actually helped make the United States. I http://www.jewishworldreview.com/mic...lkin110299.asp |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Harry Krause Nov 13, 9:57 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.boats From: Harry Krause - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:57:34 -0500 Local: Sun, Nov 13 2005 9:57 pm Subject: OT Right Wing Christian Zealots Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Nov 20, 9:57 pm). I'll be sure to bring that up the next time someone in our little area some sort of shopping center: it'll attract religious zealots, and that is reason enough to turn down any shopping center! Seriously, there are some Jesus-freaks with powered megaphones nearly every day at the park at Connecticut and K in downtown DC, and some of these droolers sometimes wander across the street to the sidewalk of a building in which we have a long-time client. I've managed toresist the temptation to pour water on them from an upper floor. Don't let the Bullhorns bother you Harry, it's been going on now for better than 250 years. You ought to appreciate them Harry, seeing you are such a defender of free speech, that is unless that speech is something you seemingly don't agree with. "Bullhorning" is one thing that actually helped make the United States. I http://www.jewishworldreview.com/mic...lkin110299.asp What's all that extra crap on the top of all your responses here, fella? Can't you edit it out? I support free speech, but that doesn't mean some religious idiots ought to be allowed to use powered megaphones in a small public park to disrupt everyone within hearing distance. In nice weather, that little park used to be frequented by office folks enjoying their lunch. Now, the nutcases with the powered megaphones have driven just about everyone out of the park at lunchtime. Hey, you want to get up on a soapbox, yak, and hand out flyers on public property, go for it. But to force everyone to hear your insanity because you are using powered megaphones to disturb everyone's lunch? Nah. Does your town have noise ordnances? Call the cops. My town's got a clause in its rules which say that the use of powered amplification equipment in public places requires a permit because it falls under the heading of "parade" or some such thing. Obviously, the cops don't bother with school football games whose announcer is audible 3 blocks away. But, they *do* show up at public parks to provide "adjustments" to people who bring enormous boom boxes and think the whole world wants to listen to their music. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Harry Krause Nov 13, 9:57 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.boats From: Harry Krause - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:57:34 -0500 Local: Sun, Nov 13 2005 9:57 pm Subject: OT Right Wing Christian Zealots Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Nov 20, 9:57 pm). I'll be sure to bring that up the next time someone in our little area some sort of shopping center: it'll attract religious zealots, and that is reason enough to turn down any shopping center! Seriously, there are some Jesus-freaks with powered megaphones nearly every day at the park at Connecticut and K in downtown DC, and some of these droolers sometimes wander across the street to the sidewalk of a building in which we have a long-time client. I've managed toresist the temptation to pour water on them from an upper floor. Don't let the Bullhorns bother you Harry, it's been going on now for better than 250 years. You ought to appreciate them Harry, seeing you are such a defender of free speech, that is unless that speech is something you seemingly don't agree with. "Bullhorning" is one thing that actually helped make the United States. I http://www.jewishworldreview.com/mic...lkin110299.asp What's all that extra crap on the top of all your responses here, fella? Can't you edit it out? I support free speech, but that doesn't mean some religious idiots ought to be allowed to use powered megaphones in a small public park to disrupt everyone within hearing distance. In nice weather, that little park used to be frequented by office folks enjoying their lunch. Now, the nutcases with the powered megaphones have driven just about everyone out of the park at lunchtime. Hey, you want to get up on a soapbox, yak, and hand out flyers on public property, go for it. But to force everyone to hear your insanity because you are using powered megaphones to disturb everyone's lunch? Nah. Does your town have noise ordnances? Call the cops. My town's got a clause in its rules which say that the use of powered amplification equipment in public places requires a permit because it falls under the heading of "parade" or some such thing. Obviously, the cops don't bother with school football games whose announcer is audible 3 blocks away. But, they *do* show up at public parks to provide "adjustments" to people who bring enormous boom boxes and think the whole world wants to listen to their music. I dunno what the ordnance is in DC regarding noise. You really have to be obnoxious in DC to get arrested for any kind of free speech or demonstration behavior, though. I'm sure *some* cops would approach them and ask them to turn it down, or off. It's at least worth asking a cop if such an ordinance exists. Actually, YOU could ask them to turn it down. It might actually work if they're real Kristians. |
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