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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:48:00 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:21:57 -0400, PocoLoco
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:37:50 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:12:18 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:26:53 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


In any event, Bush will be done in by the expiration of his term. Time to
start thinking about a successor, from both sides or more.

I heard an interesting statistic this afternoon. Paul Harvey, I think.
Last year the US graduated 70,000 new engineers. Japan graduated 350,000
and China graduated 650,000. Related, more money was spent in the US on
liability lawsuits than on new technical research and development. Seems
this country has taken it's eye off the ball, and I personally believe it
has a lot more to do with loosing traditional values than it does due to
the policies of any particular politician.

I'm always leery of that "traditional values" thing. I'm never sure what
values they mean. ;-) But you are right, we have lost something. Someone
promised us a free lunch, and we believed them. Those lawsuits are a
prime example. People get injured, and they think they have won the
lottery. We want it all, and we want it now, like spoiled children.

TANSTAAFL.

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

Where we've lost is in basic and middle education. We're much more
interested in diversity and socialization than in rote learning of
math and science skills.

Just yesterday, in a school system in which I am intimately aware of,
they eliminated a science period for the 7th graders so they could
have a "social" event - namely a make believe 20th reunion so the kids
could start thinking of where they are and where they are going.

At eleven years old, it's a little over the top.

Personally, I think the only thing they knew was (1) they got out of
science and (2) there was ice cream and cake.

As an observation, I have noticed that when I emergency substitute in
high school advanced math classes, they are getting smaller and
smaller because its' an elective and nobody believes it's important.

Don't know what that proves - something.

Amen. And, what percent of the students are Asian?

Um....we have to import students for diversity sessions.

We have one Turkish student and that's it.

Here almost half the students in the Calculus classes are Asian, mostly Korean.

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in message
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In the end, Bush will be done in by his incompetency.

Your hero.

Tough darts.

In any event, Bush will be done in by the expiration of his term. Time to
start thinking about a successor, from both sides or more.

I heard an interesting statistic this afternoon. Paul Harvey, I think.
Last year the US graduated 70,000 new engineers. Japan graduated 350,000
and China graduated 650,000. Related, more money was spent in the US on
liability lawsuits than on new technical research and development. Seems
this country has taken it's eye off the ball, and I personally believe it
has a lot more to do with loosing traditional values than it does due to
the
policies of any particular politician.

Eisboch



I think it is due to outsourcing - why go through the grueling curriculum of
engineering if there are no jobs for you in the US due to them being sent to
India.....
Which IS, by the way, due to a particular parties agenda..

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:37:40 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


That's the "Ka-Thunk" that went off somewhere in my (mostly empty) head as
I listened to this. It's a social change taking place where the concept
of earning something by working hard is being replaced with "It's owed to
me". It's a change whereby if you feel you've been wronged by a merchant -
you sue him, rather that accepting the fact that you learned a lesson and
won't do business with him again. It's a change where paying your dues is
not necessary, you are "entitled" simply because you exist. Its a change
whereby "I" has become paramount rather than "we". That's what I meant
by loosing traditional values. It may be inevitable as a evolutionary
step of our society, but I think it will be the primary reason of our
downfall as a nation if not corrected, rather than the actions of politics
and politicians.

I've been thinking on this. I realize there is no one root cause, but
something occurred to me, and I just want to throw it out for any
responses. We are talking about a fundamental societal change that seems
to be concurrent with our becoming a mobile country, and it's resultant
loss in "community". Think small town. Merchants couldn't wrong you if
they wished to stay in business. The whole village, in effect, raised the
children. Hell, even big cities had their neighborhoods, a virtual small
town in a big city. Now, I've read, the average person lives less than 5
years in one house. Neighbors often change so frequently you never get to
learn their names. There is an anonymity that allows us to think I,
rather than we. I don't know, maybe interstates weren't such a good idea. ;-)

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:37:40 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


That's the "Ka-Thunk" that went off somewhere in my (mostly empty) head
as
I listened to this. It's a social change taking place where the concept
of earning something by working hard is being replaced with "It's owed to
me". It's a change whereby if you feel you've been wronged by a
merchant -
you sue him, rather that accepting the fact that you learned a lesson and
won't do business with him again. It's a change where paying your dues is
not necessary, you are "entitled" simply because you exist. Its a change
whereby "I" has become paramount rather than "we". That's what I meant
by loosing traditional values. It may be inevitable as a evolutionary
step of our society, but I think it will be the primary reason of our
downfall as a nation if not corrected, rather than the actions of
politics
and politicians.

I've been thinking on this. I realize there is no one root cause, but
something occurred to me, and I just want to throw it out for any
responses. We are talking about a fundamental societal change that seems
to be concurrent with our becoming a mobile country, and it's resultant
loss in "community". Think small town. Merchants couldn't wrong you if
they wished to stay in business. The whole village, in effect, raised the
children. Hell, even big cities had their neighborhoods, a virtual small
town in a big city. Now, I've read, the average person lives less than 5
years in one house. Neighbors often change so frequently you never get to
learn their names. There is an anonymity that allows us to think I,
rather than we. I don't know, maybe interstates weren't such a good idea.
;-)

The root cause of this is the breakdown of the nuclear family brought on by
no-fault divorce and the welfare state. The plethora of lawyers and their
greed to make alot of bucks has also contributed to the problem.

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Harry Krause wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:37:40 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


That's the "Ka-Thunk" that went off somewhere in my (mostly empty) head
as
I listened to this. It's a social change taking place where the
concept
of earning something by working hard is being replaced with "It's owed
to
me". It's a change whereby if you feel you've been wronged by a
merchant -
you sue him, rather that accepting the fact that you learned a lesson
and
won't do business with him again. It's a change where paying your dues
is
not necessary, you are "entitled" simply because you exist. Its a
change
whereby "I" has become paramount rather than "we". That's what I
meant
by loosing traditional values. It may be inevitable as a evolutionary
step of our society, but I think it will be the primary reason of our
downfall as a nation if not corrected, rather than the actions of
politics
and politicians.

I've been thinking on this. I realize there is no one root cause, but
something occurred to me, and I just want to throw it out for any
responses. We are talking about a fundamental societal change that
seems
to be concurrent with our becoming a mobile country, and it's resultant
loss in "community". Think small town. Merchants couldn't wrong you if
they wished to stay in business. The whole village, in effect, raised
the
children. Hell, even big cities had their neighborhoods, a virtual
small
town in a big city. Now, I've read, the average person lives less than
5
years in one house. Neighbors often change so frequently you never get
to
learn their names. There is an anonymity that allows us to think I,
rather than we. I don't know, maybe interstates weren't such a good
idea. ;-)


Let's not leave out of this argument the fact that millions of
hard-working Americans have been screwed royally by their employers and
left on the side of the side of the road after years of loyal service.
That is not lost on the younger generation, that "the corporation" will
"f*ck" you at every opportunity.

True Harry, but think of why. Those doing the screwing are the large,
publicly held corporations. Small, private companies don't have a
reputation of screwing loyal employees.

The reason the public companies screw the employees is a constant,
never-ending motive to meet quarterly numbers and increase ROI to satisfy
the demands and expectations of the stockholders. Who are these greedy
stockholders? You, me and everyone else that holds stock in a company
directly or through retirement plans. So, who is really to blame?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:37:40 +0000, Eisboch wrote:


That's the "Ka-Thunk" that went off somewhere in my (mostly empty)
head
as
I listened to this. It's a social change taking place where the
concept
of earning something by working hard is being replaced with "It's
owed
to
me". It's a change whereby if you feel you've been wronged by a
merchant -
you sue him, rather that accepting the fact that you learned a lesson
and
won't do business with him again. It's a change where paying your
dues
is
not necessary, you are "entitled" simply because you exist. Its a
change
whereby "I" has become paramount rather than "we". That's what I
meant
by loosing traditional values. It may be inevitable as a
evolutionary
step of our society, but I think it will be the primary reason of our
downfall as a nation if not corrected, rather than the actions of
politics
and politicians.

I've been thinking on this. I realize there is no one root cause, but
something occurred to me, and I just want to throw it out for any
responses. We are talking about a fundamental societal change that
seems
to be concurrent with our becoming a mobile country, and it's
resultant
loss in "community". Think small town. Merchants couldn't wrong you
if
they wished to stay in business. The whole village, in effect, raised
the
children. Hell, even big cities had their neighborhoods, a virtual
small
town in a big city. Now, I've read, the average person lives less
than
5
years in one house. Neighbors often change so frequently you never
get
to
learn their names. There is an anonymity that allows us to think I,
rather than we. I don't know, maybe interstates weren't such a good
idea. ;-)


Let's not leave out of this argument the fact that millions of
hard-working Americans have been screwed royally by their employers and
left on the side of the side of the road after years of loyal service.
That is not lost on the younger generation, that "the corporation" will
"f*ck" you at every opportunity.

True Harry, but think of why. Those doing the screwing are the large,
publicly held corporations. Small, private companies don't have a
reputation of screwing loyal employees.

The reason the public companies screw the employees is a constant,
never-ending motive to meet quarterly numbers and increase ROI to satisfy
the demands and expectations of the stockholders. Who are these greedy
stockholders? You, me and everyone else that holds stock in a company
directly or through retirement plans. So, who is really to blame?

Eisboch


The purpose of a corporation, whether public or private, is to provide a
return on investment for its stock holders........its purpose is NOT to
provide jobs. Once again, harry and ilk wish to remove personal
responsibility from the equation.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9672058/



Thanks. Here is a bit of the good news:

Bush approval dips below 40 percent
NBC-WSJ poll shows only 28 percent believe U.S. headed in right direction
By Mark Murray
Political reporter
NBC News
Updated: 7:33 p.m. ET Oct. 12, 2005

WASHINGTON - It has been weeks since Hurricane Katrina slammed into the
Gulf Coast; since gas prices began spiking to record highs; and since
Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, held her antiwar vigil
outside President Bush’s Texas ranch. But, according to the latest NBC
News/Wall Street Journal poll, the fortunes of the Bush administration and
the Republican Party have not yet begun to recover.

For the first time in the poll, Bush’s approval rating has sunk below 40
percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the
right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable
plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent
think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the
nation’s highest court.

"Any way you slice this data, I think these are just terrible sets of
numbers," said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this
survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

The poll shows that Bush’s approval rating stands at 39 percent, a new low
for the president. In the last NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, which was
released in mid-September, 40 percent approved of Bush’s job performance
while 55 percent disapproved. In addition, just 28 percent believe the
country is headed in the right direction, another all-time low in Bush’s
presidency.




More at the site.

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Anyone else getting these "Krause Archiver " posts?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Anyone else getting these "Krause Archiver " posts?

Eisboch



Yep.

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PocoLoco wrote:
On 13 Oct 2005 11:01:35 -0700, wrote:


wrote:


Here, why don't you lap THIS up:

http://tinyurl.com/9za2n

Anally fixated? Is this prevalent among liberals, or is it primarily you and
Harry?

Have you discussed this with *any* adult in your life?

Here, this may help:

http://psychology.about.com/od/gloss...Fixation13.htm

I hope everything works out OK for you.

--
John H


Another idiotic post from the lowest form of humanity known. You're a
piece of ****, and I think you are realizing that.