From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something happened
up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources to
arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us, the
same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at
Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble,
that's where the adults live.

And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in the
recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and
National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally
consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russell Honore, it was once
again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery
operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly
institution.

We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless
government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing
substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and equip
our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we
become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is
of no avail.

From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the
people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New
Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had abandoned
its underclass.

This is garbage.. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in
assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and
government support through many other programs. Many have, all their
lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from
themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite literally,
hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out of
town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood.

Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or later
we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort of
haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the
floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's heart
goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new
accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to new
locations.

The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are yet
no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union will
prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally,
contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from people
who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the
wallets."

The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch
with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind.

Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United
States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal,
constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to
Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero.

Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a
disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets, two
full days in advance of the storm fall. In the little time since, he has
managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in
human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been
sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the
extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing.

One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad, and
mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids and
gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true:

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Skipper,
This is the best Harry could do, he really has been sliding downhill
quickly. Did you hear about Harry's Dr. Dr. wife?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man. --
Skipper



Giggle. Bush is an incompetent idiot.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something happened
up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources to
arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us, the
same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at
Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble,
that's where the adults live.

And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in the
recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and
National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally
consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russell Honore, it was once
again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery
operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly
institution.

We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless
government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing
substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and equip
our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we
become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is
of no avail.

From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the
people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New
Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had abandoned
its underclass.

This is garbage.. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in
assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and
government support through many other programs. Many have, all their
lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from
themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite literally,
hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out of
town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood.

Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or later
we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort of
haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the
floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's heart
goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new
accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to new
locations.

The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are yet
no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union will
prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally,
contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from people
who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the
wallets."

The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch
with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind.

Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United
States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal,
constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to
Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero.

Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a
disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets, two
full days in advance of the storm fall. In the little time since, he has
managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in
human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been
sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the
extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing.

One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad, and
mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids and
gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true:

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

Don't you think that was an awfully elaborate buildup for one of your
signature attack posts, Psuedo?

Please have the decency to label your drivel OT.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Chuck,
If you want to pretend this is not Skipper, that is your option, but it is
obvious to everyone, including you, this is Dave Mann. He has the same IP
and the same email address Dave Mann used for years.


wrote in message
oups.com...

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something happened
up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources to
arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us, the
same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at
Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble,
that's where the adults live.

And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in the
recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and
National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally
consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russell Honore, it was once
again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery
operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly
institution.

We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless
government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing
substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and equip
our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we
become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is
of no avail.

From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the
people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New
Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had abandoned
its underclass.

This is garbage.. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in
assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and
government support through many other programs. Many have, all their
lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from
themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite literally,
hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out of
town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood.

Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or later
we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort of
haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the
floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's heart
goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new
accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to new
locations.

The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are yet
no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union will
prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally,
contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from people
who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the
wallets."

The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch
with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind.

Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United
States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal,
constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to
Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero.

Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a
disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets, two
full days in advance of the storm fall. In the little time since, he has
managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in
human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been
sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the
extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing.

One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad, and
mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids and
gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true:

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

Don't you think that was an awfully elaborate buildup for one of your
signature attack posts, Psuedo?

Please have the decency to label your drivel OT.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Isn't it amazing that the dem's got beat twice by such an "incompetent
idiot" Says a lot about how bad the dem's are.


"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
Skipper,
This is the best Harry could do, he really has been sliding downhill
quickly. Did you hear about Harry's Dr. Dr. wife?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man. --
Skipper



Giggle. Bush is an incompetent idiot.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

snip...
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

Duh...someone posted this weeks ago and we decided he was some wanna be
'merican who winters in Naples and gets dental discounts from NOYB.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
Chuck,
If you want to pretend this is not Skipper, that is your option, but it is
obvious to everyone, including you, this is Dave Mann. He has the same IP
and the same email address Dave Mann used for years.



Even it it were the real Skipper, he does all of his boating from his
armchair in Derby. That would certainly make him a Psuedo Skipper.
Thunder has found a chink in the electronic armor that could indicate
Psuedo is posting from somewhere else and forging Skipper's name and
ISP; I wouldn't know, I don't claim to know much about computers.

So whether its Dave Mann or not, the name Psuedo Skipper would surely
fit.

I will agree that the mental condition manifest here as a fixation on
nemesis personalities might indicate the presence of the original
Skipper- but as you well know there have been several other people in
this same group with almost exactly the same problem.




wrote in message
oups.com...

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something happened
up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources to
arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us, the
same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at
Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble,
that's where the adults live.

And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in the
recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and
National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally
consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russell Honore, it was once
again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery
operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly
institution.

We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless
government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing
substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and equip
our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we
become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is
of no avail.

From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the
people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New
Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had abandoned
its underclass.

This is garbage.. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in
assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and
government support through many other programs. Many have, all their
lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from
themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite literally,
hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out of
town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood.

Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or later
we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort of
haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the
floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's heart
goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new
accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to new
locations.

The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are yet
no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union will
prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally,
contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from people
who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the
wallets."

The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch
with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind.

Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United
States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal,
constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to
Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero.

Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a
disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets, two
full days in advance of the storm fall. In the little time since, he has
managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in
human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been
sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the
extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing.

One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad, and
mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids and
gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true:

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

Don't you think that was an awfully elaborate buildup for one of your
signature attack posts, Psuedo?

Please have the decency to label your drivel OT.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Chuck,
There is no way you can "spoof" an email address. It either works and the
mail is delivered or it does not. There is no chink in any armor, excepts
Thunder's misunderstanding of the path.


wrote in message
ups.com...

Starbuck's Words of Wisdom wrote:
Chuck,
If you want to pretend this is not Skipper, that is your option, but it
is
obvious to everyone, including you, this is Dave Mann. He has the same
IP
and the same email address Dave Mann used for years.



Even it it were the real Skipper, he does all of his boating from his
armchair in Derby. That would certainly make him a Psuedo Skipper.
Thunder has found a chink in the electronic armor that could indicate
Psuedo is posting from somewhere else and forging Skipper's name and
ISP; I wouldn't know, I don't claim to know much about computers.

So whether its Dave Mann or not, the name Psuedo Skipper would surely
fit.

I will agree that the mental condition manifest here as a fixation on
nemesis personalities might indicate the presence of the original
Skipper- but as you well know there have been several other people in
this same group with almost exactly the same problem.




wrote in message
oups.com...

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more
objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to
discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation. If something
happened
up here, on the scale of Katrina, we wouldn't even have the resources
to
arrive late. We would be waiting for the Americans to come save us,
the
same way the government in Louisiana just waved and pointed at
Washington, D.C. The theory being that, when you're in real trouble,
that's where the adults live.

And that isn't an exaggeration. Almost everything that has worked in
the
recovery operation along the U.S. Gulf Coast has been military and
National Guard. Within a few days, under several commands, finally
consolidated under the remarkable Lt.-Gen. Russell Honore, it was once
again the U.S. military efficiently cobbling together a recovery
operation on a scale beyond the capacity of any other earthly
institution.

We hardly have a military up here. We have elected one feckless
government after another that has cut corners until there is nothing
substantial left. We don't have the ability even to transport and
equip
our few soldiers. Should disaster strike at home, on a big scale, we
become a Third World country. At which point, our national smugness is
of no avail.

From Democrats and the American Left -- the U.S. equivalent to the
people who run Canada -- we are still hearing that the disaster in New
Orleans showed that a heartless, white Republican America had
abandoned
its underclass.

This is garbage.. The great majority of those not evacuated lived in
assisted housing and receive food stamps, prescription medicine and
government support through many other programs. Many have, all their
lives, expected someone to lift them to safety, without input from
themselves. And the demagogic mayor they elected left, quite
literally,
hundreds of transit and school buses that could have driven them out
of
town parked in rows, to be lost in the flood.

Yes, that was insensitive. But it is also the truth; and sooner or
later
we must acknowledge that welfare dependency creates exactly the sort
of
haplessness and social degeneration we saw on display, as the
floodwaters rose. Many suffered terribly, and many died, and one's
heart
goes out. But already the survivors are being put up in new
accommodations, and their various entitlements have been directed to
new
locations.

The scale of private charity has also been unprecedented. There are
yet
no statistics, but I'll wager the most generous state in the union
will
prove to have been arch-Republican Texas and that, nationally,
contributions in cash and kind are coming disproportionately from
people
who vote Republican. For the world divides into "the mouths" and "the
wallets."

The Bush-bashing, both down there and up here, has so far lost touch
with reality, as to raise questions about the bashers' state of mind.

Consult any authoritative source on how government works in the United
States and you will learn that the U.S. federal government's legal,
constitutional, and institutional responsibility for first response to
Katrina, as to any natural disaster, was zero.

Notwithstanding, President Bush took the prescient step of declaring a
disaster, in order to begin deploying FEMA and other federal assets,
two
full days in advance of the storm fall. In the little time since, he
has
managed to co-ordinate an immense recovery operation -- the largest in
human history -- without invoking martial powers. He has been
sufficiently presidential to respond, not even once, to the
extraordinarily mendacious and childish blame-throwing.

One thinks of Kipling's poem If, which I learned to recite as a lad,
and
mention now in the full knowledge that it drives postmodern leftoids
and
gliberals to apoplexy -- as anything that is good, beautiful, or true:

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by
these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or
a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

Don't you think that was an awfully elaborate buildup for one of your
signature attack posts, Psuedo?

Please have the decency to label your drivel OT.

OT: From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen
Sunday, September 11, 2005
There's plenty wrong with America

Well, he got that part correct!

Jim

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

If the Dem's put up anyone worth a damn, they should have walked away with
the election. The left wing fanatics have hijacked the democratic party.



"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
Isn't it amazing that the dem's got beat twice by such an "incompetent
idiot" Says a lot about how bad the dem's are.


"Starbuck's Words of Wisdom" wrote in message
...
Skipper,
This is the best Harry could do, he really has been sliding downhill
quickly. Did you hear about Harry's Dr. Dr. wife?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by
these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or
a
Chucky, but a real man. --
Skipper



Giggle. Bush is an incompetent idiot.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:43:08 GMT, Don White wrote:

Skipper wrote:
interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

snip...
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise .

Unlike his critics, Bush is a man, in the full sense presented by these
verses. A fallible man, like all the rest, but a man...not a Harry or a
Chucky, but a real man.

--
Skipper

Duh...someone posted this weeks ago and we decided he was some wanna be
'merican who winters in Naples and gets dental discounts from NOYB.

That was me, and we *all* agreed that this was a Canadian with a lot of sense!

--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

If you mwant a real republican man look at John McCain, not this
chickenhawk deserter bush that so may were stupid enough to vote for.

Capt. Jeff

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:

interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:46 -0700, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:

interesting to hear from outside the USA...

This from the Canadian Press, which apparently, is a bit more objective
than our own press and politicians.
George Bush, the man
David Warren - The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, September 11, 2005

There's plenty wrong with America, since you asked. I'm tempted to say
that the only difference from Canada is that they have a few things
right. That would be unfair, of course -- I am often pleased to discover
things we still get right.

But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

Put the whole article up. Do you think a few search and rescue folks would have
handled the problems in New Orleans?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.
snip...

An exception might be the JTF2. They can compete with the best doing
the rough stuff. Our snipers are top drawer also.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:55 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:46 -0700, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:

But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

Put the whole article up. Do you think a few search and rescue folks would have
^^^^^
handled the problems in New Orleans?

That's my point: there's more than "a few". We have over 1000 S&R crew in
Vancouver alone. So yes, I think we could handle such a disaster. Then
again, we don't have cities of 5 million people below sea-level in a
hurricane belt.

Lloyd

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:38:55 -0700, Lloyd wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:55 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:46 -0700, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:

But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

Put the whole article up. Do you think a few search and rescue folks would have
^^^^^
handled the problems in New Orleans?

That's my point: there's more than "a few". We have over 1000 S&R crew in
Vancouver alone. So yes, I think we could handle such a disaster. Then
again, we don't have cities of 5 million people below sea-level in a
hurricane belt.

Lloyd

While being shot at?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

PocoLoco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:38:55 -0700, Lloyd wrote:


On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:55 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:46 -0700, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:


But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

Put the whole article up. Do you think a few search and rescue folks would have

^^^^^

handled the problems in New Orleans?

That's my point: there's more than "a few". We have over 1000 S&R crew in
Vancouver alone. So yes, I think we could handle such a disaster. Then
again, we don't have cities of 5 million people below sea-level in a
hurricane belt.

Lloyd


While being shot at?

Shot at?? We Canucks are law abidin', don't you know!

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:34:26 GMT, Don White wrote:

PocoLoco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:38:55 -0700, Lloyd wrote:


On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:55 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:46 -0700, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:


But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong. In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

Put the whole article up. Do you think a few search and rescue folks would have

^^^^^

handled the problems in New Orleans?

That's my point: there's more than "a few". We have over 1000 S&R crew in
Vancouver alone. So yes, I think we could handle such a disaster. Then
again, we don't have cities of 5 million people below sea-level in a
hurricane belt.

Lloyd


While being shot at?

Shot at?? We Canucks are law abidin', don't you know!

Yeah, but Nagin's boys weren't!

I had a good friend/riding buddy in Germany who was Canadian. He was smart, and
therefore owned a Moto Guzzi (not a Desmo). We must have put 15,000 miles on our
bikes riding together during my last summer there. One ride was from Stuttgart
to Stockholm, around Sweden, back through Denmark. What a trip!

John was a fun guy to be with, even though he talked funny!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

PocoLoco wrote:

Yeah, but Nagin's boys weren't!

I had a good friend/riding buddy in Germany who was Canadian. He was smart, and
therefore owned a Moto Guzzi (not a Desmo). We must have put 15,000 miles on our
bikes riding together during my last summer there. One ride was from Stuttgart
to Stockholm, around Sweden, back through Denmark. What a trip!

John was a fun guy to be with, even though he talked funny!


Talked funny..?? Must have been from Western Canada.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

"Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:55 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:47:46 -0700, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:51:30 -0500, Skipper wrote:

But one of them would not be disaster preparation.

Donno what glue this guy's been sniffing, but he's Just Plain Wrong.
In
the first place, what little military we DO have is trained almost
exclusively for rescue, life-saving, that kinda thing rather than
killing.

But we DON'T depend on the Military. We have several crack units of
search-and-rescue, disaster relief, etc. In Vancouver we have the
Urban
Rescue Team, and DART from Ottawa. The only problem with DART is that
the
Gov't has been too busy arguing politics to get them at Site in a
timely
matter. I suspect that wouldn't happen if the disaster was local.

Lloyd

Put the whole article up. Do you think a few search and rescue folks
would have
^^^^^
handled the problems in New Orleans?

That's my point: there's more than "a few". We have over 1000 S&R crew
in
Vancouver alone. So yes, I think we could handle such a disaster. Then
again, we don't have cities of 5 million people below sea-level in a
hurricane belt.

Lloyd

Is it Vancouver that has Mr Floatie running for mayor to bring attention
to the way the city dumps raw sewage into the ocean? Just saw it on TV.
The authorities are claiming Mr Floatie isn't a real person, but a
character just because he is dressed up like a turd.

Someplace on the west coast of canada anyway.

From the Canadian Press--A MUST READ
 

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:29:40 GMT, Don White wrote:

PocoLoco wrote:

Yeah, but Nagin's boys weren't!

I had a good friend/riding buddy in Germany who was Canadian. He was smart, and
therefore owned a Moto Guzzi (not a Desmo). We must have put 15,000 miles on our
bikes riding together during my last summer there. One ride was from Stuttgart
to Stockholm, around Sweden, back through Denmark. What a trip!

John was a fun guy to be with, even though he talked funny!


Talked funny..?? Must have been from Western Canada.

Could be.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."