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A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to
buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul |
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Might not be a requirement, but it sure sounds like a good idea
nevertheless. Piloting a 100 ton + vessel requires skills that only experience and training could provide. An insurance company would be foolish not to require some sort of qualified credentials before insuring a large private vessel IMHO. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul |
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:01:10 -0400, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? ========================================= It all comes down to financing and insurance. Unless you own the boat free and clear, you're going to need insurance. To get insurance, you will need a qualified operator of the vessel. What that means is up to the insurance company to decide. |
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It all comes down to financing and insurance. Unless you own the boat free and clear, you're going to need insurance. To get insurance, you will need a qualified operator of the vessel. What that means is up to the insurance company to decide. IN OTHERWORDS, NO ONE WHO HAS ANSWERED SO FAR KNOWS FORE SURE! They are just guessing. Any body out there know the answer? I don't. Larry Hill |
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Can't give you a definitive answer, however....
60 feet is not a criteria for a license in the US, though it could be other places. Insurance will play a big part as to who operates this vessel. Where you register/document it will also be a major factor (amazin what you can get away with when you have enough money and the right contacts) BUT, if you can afford a ship that big, why would you want the headaches associated with being the Master of such a vessel? Hire some flunky. Shen |
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I think that captain from Exxon is still looking for a ship
Mick "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul |
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Larry,
I wasn't able to find a definitive answer on the Coast Guard site, it just deals with commercial vessels. I've never read of anyone saying they had trouble getting insurance because they didn't have enough experience for a given boat size. I know that to get a Coast Guard Master's license you first have to show two years experience on the size (tonnage) of boat your getting the license for. Paul "Larry Hill" wrote in message ... It all comes down to financing and insurance. Unless you own the boat free and clear, you're going to need insurance. To get insurance, you will need a qualified operator of the vessel. What that means is up to the insurance company to decide. IN OTHERWORDS, NO ONE WHO HAS ANSWERED SO FAR KNOWS FORE SURE! They are just guessing. Any body out there know the answer? I don't. Larry Hill |
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Shen,
If you'll notice after about 70 feet most of these boats come with crew quarters for the reasons you state. A boat that large involves a lot of work that most people that can afford the boat can also afford someone else to do the work. I'd guess 60 foot would be the upper range for a couple to operate. Have you ever heard of an insurance company denying coverage due to experience? Paul "Shen44" wrote in message ... Can't give you a definitive answer, however.... 60 feet is not a criteria for a license in the US, though it could be other places. Insurance will play a big part as to who operates this vessel. Where you register/document it will also be a major factor (amazin what you can get away with when you have enough money and the right contacts) BUT, if you can afford a ship that big, why would you want the headaches associated with being the Master of such a vessel? Hire some flunky. Shen |
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Mick,
Wasn't it the mate that put her on the rocks while the Captain was asleep? Paul "Mickey" wrote in message news:B%HLc.2715$ml.2649@lakeread05... I think that captain from Exxon is still looking for a ship Mick "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul |
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IN OTHERWORDS, NO ONE WHO HAS ANSWERED SO FAR KNOWS FORE SURE!
They are just guessing. Any body out there know the answer? I don't. Larry Hill I know people who own and operate boats over 60-feet who do not hold master's licenses. I know of a guy who bought a 105 foot ex Navy Yard tug, no license. As for making a blanket statement about what-all "every insurance company" is going to require........that would be impossible. Ever insurance compnay is going to assess risk before underwriting a policy. Part of that risk includes the previous experience of the insured. If Joe Blow has operated a 52-foot motoryacht for the last ten years without incident and he wants to step up to a 65-footer, there won't be all that serious a challenge in getting him a policy somewhere. (May take some shopping). If Joe Blow's experience has been running an outboard-powered trailer boat....let's hope that nobody will insure him to take command of that same 65-footer. |
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I know that to get a Coast Guard Master's license you
first have to show two years experience on the size (tonnage) of boat your getting the license for. Paul Two years of pleasure boat ownership isn't going to qualify you to sit for the exam unless you are *underway*, (not at the dock), for eight hours or more for 360 of those 730 days. The CG has the option to reduce the hours requirement from 8-hours to 4-hours, and some districts do almost routinely. In actual practice, a very high percentage of people who apply for a six-pack license based solely on pleasure boat ownership have lied about qualifying sea service on the application form. There ought to be a check mark for "wink" and "nod" at the bottom of the form. |
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From: "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net Date: 07/22/2004 02:28 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Mick, Wasn't it the mate that put her on the rocks while the Captain was asleep? Paul It wasn't "the" mate, it was the 3rd Mate ...big difference, and I doubt the Captain was asleep as he had to take departure, send messages and complete various tidbits of paperwork. Shen |
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Shen,
If you'll notice after about 70 feet most of these boats come with crew quarters for the reasons you state. A boat that large involves a lot of work that most people that can afford the boat can also afford someone else to do the work. I'd guess 60 foot would be the upper range for a couple to operate. Have you ever heard of an insurance company denying coverage due to experience? Paul Say you hired a crew for this boat. How many would you have? Maybe a Capt, Mate/cook? in other words, a couple. There's nothing that would keep two people from handling a 60 or even 100 foot boat competently as long as they know what they are doing and the boat is well equipped. Insurance companies and banks tend to want to protect their investments, and set up rules which must be followed to obtain their insurance and loans. Aside from them, there can be other regulatory hoops to jump through, so I can't give any specific answer as to requirement which may be specific to all sizes because there are just too many variables. For instance, I know of 550' ships that are certified for a crew of six. Not totally in line with the question, but it gives an idea of the possible variables involved. Shen |
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Gene,
Good site, I've bookmarked it, thanks. Paul "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:01:10 -0400, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul 1) Unless the operation of the vessel is "for hire" there is no USCG requirement for a commercial license. 2) Likewise, a Master's rating is only useful for those vessels that are used in commerce and are required by the number of paying souls on board to be "Inspected" by the USCG. Your insurance carrier might require a Captain's License. I doubt it, but your particular state might require it. Check here to see: http://www.nasbla.org/blas.htm -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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If you remain in US waters, you do not require one by law. Go anywhere else
and you will. Getting insured is impossible. 60+ft does not require a license for recreational use. I just finished training an owner /operator on his 84' boat, and he has no license. He will however end up hiring a crew to operate and maintain the boat, he just wanted to know what he was doing. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul |
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Uh, that's not totally correct regarding the time frame. 2 years ( 720 days
at sea underway. They'll allow you 1.5 days per 8-12 hr days) will qualify you for a maximum of 100 tons. After that, more time serving as Master, Mate, or in a Supervisory Position is required. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I wasn't able to find a definitive answer on the Coast Guard site, it just deals with commercial vessels. I've never read of anyone saying they had trouble getting insurance because they didn't have enough experience for a given boat size. I know that to get a Coast Guard Master's license you first have to show two years experience on the size (tonnage) of boat your getting the license for. Paul "Larry Hill" wrote in message ... It all comes down to financing and insurance. Unless you own the boat free and clear, you're going to need insurance. To get insurance, you will need a qualified operator of the vessel. What that means is up to the insurance company to decide. IN OTHERWORDS, NO ONE WHO HAS ANSWERED SO FAR KNOWS FORE SURE! They are just guessing. Any body out there know the answer? I don't. Larry Hill |
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550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse
Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is. "Shen44" wrote in message ... Shen, If you'll notice after about 70 feet most of these boats come with crew quarters for the reasons you state. A boat that large involves a lot of work that most people that can afford the boat can also afford someone else to do the work. I'd guess 60 foot would be the upper range for a couple to operate. Have you ever heard of an insurance company denying coverage due to experience? Paul Say you hired a crew for this boat. How many would you have? Maybe a Capt, Mate/cook? in other words, a couple. There's nothing that would keep two people from handling a 60 or even 100 foot boat competently as long as they know what they are doing and the boat is well equipped. Insurance companies and banks tend to want to protect their investments, and set up rules which must be followed to obtain their insurance and loans. Aside from them, there can be other regulatory hoops to jump through, so I can't give any specific answer as to requirement which may be specific to all sizes because there are just too many variables. For instance, I know of 550' ships that are certified for a crew of six. Not totally in line with the question, but it gives an idea of the possible variables involved. Shen |
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:01:10 -0400, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul There is no absolute "requirement" by statute, regulation or other in federal waters/international waters, but.... I believe there may be a requirement for a license in any particular state, I'm not sure about that. I'm positive that other governments require licenses to enter their ports or territorial waters. With regard to insurance, it's up to the individual carrier, but most would want to have an experienced Master on board in order for them to insure it. I occasionally get a call to deliver a boat, or take a party beyond the Boundry Line and it's always because the insurance company requires a licensed Master to do so. Hope that helps. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
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From: "HLAviation" Date: 07/22/2004 22:46 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net 550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is. G First off, you'll note I said "certified". Normally they sail with a crew of 11. Looking at your list of crew, I'd say you're a bit behind the times. For instance, on any ship I sailed on, we didn't have OS's or oiler/wipers since the early 80's. The particular ships I'm talking about are not US flag and carry Capt, 1M, 2M, 3M, CE, 1rst E, 2nd eng, 3 AB's, cook. Needless to say the vessel's are HIGHLY automated and were built as a test bed. There are two people on the bridge during inbound/outbound trips ... Capt and CE. For longer runs there will be a Mate. Shen |
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HL,
How ya doing? Haven't seen you post in a while, take it you were out to sea. Anyway welcome back and thanks for the information. Paul "HLAviation" wrote in message ink.net... If you remain in US waters, you do not require one by law. Go anywhere else and you will. Getting insured is impossible. 60+ft does not require a license for recreational use. I just finished training an owner /operator on his 84' boat, and he has no license. He will however end up hiring a crew to operate and maintain the boat, he just wanted to know what he was doing. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul |
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Tom,
I couldn't find any requirements for Michigan, thanks for the info. Paul "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:01:10 -0400, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul There is no absolute "requirement" by statute, regulation or other in federal waters/international waters, but.... I believe there may be a requirement for a license in any particular state, I'm not sure about that. I'm positive that other governments require licenses to enter their ports or territorial waters. With regard to insurance, it's up to the individual carrier, but most would want to have an experienced Master on board in order for them to insure it. I occasionally get a call to deliver a boat, or take a party beyond the Boundry Line and it's always because the insurance company requires a licensed Master to do so. Hope that helps. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
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HLAviation wrote:
550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is. You've been working in the mud too long. Even the bigger containerships now have only 10 or 11 crew. That 550 footer is a little coaster with an unmanned engine room, one-man bridge, and a reduced manning certificate. The crew complement on one of Cosco's box boats is: Master Chief Mate 2nd Mate Chief Engineer 2nd Engineer Bosun AB Oilr/Motorman OS (2 each) Cook Rick |
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And then the companies wonder why their ships get in such run down crap
condition. They took away my cook on a tug. The net effect was I went from 6hrs a day of maintenance and deck work getting done to 1.5 since my afternoon AB was now on cooking duty. 3 months later the boss asked why the boat looked like crap. I went off on him, and told him it was because he was too damn cheap to keep a cook on the boat. If a crew of 6 cant keep a 132ft tug in shape, how the hell are they supposed to do it with a 550' ship. .. "Rick" wrote in message hlink.net... HLAviation wrote: 550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is. You've been working in the mud too long. Even the bigger containerships now have only 10 or 11 crew. That 550 footer is a little coaster with an unmanned engine room, one-man bridge, and a reduced manning certificate. The crew complement on one of Cosco's box boats is: Master Chief Mate 2nd Mate Chief Engineer 2nd Engineer Bosun AB Oilr/Motorman OS (2 each) Cook Rick |
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HLAviation wrote: And then the companies wonder why their ships get in such run down crap condition. They took away my cook on a tug. The net effect was I went from 6hrs a day of maintenance and deck work getting done to 1.5 since my afternoon AB was now on cooking duty. 3 months later the boss asked why the boat looked like crap. I went off on him, and told him it was because he was too damn cheap to keep a cook on the boat. If a crew of 6 cant keep a 132ft tug in shape, how the hell are they supposed to do it with a 550' ship. First off, you pay attention to the systems you install, materials used for anything exposed to weather, and coatings. Then, when you need work done that may be more than the crew can handle, you hire "riding gangs" or "shore gangs" to come aboard and work under the direction of the CM or CE and if the office bitches about appearance you give them the "little pinkie" and tell them to hire more gangs. otn |
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Rick wrote: HLAviation wrote: 550', crew of 6?? Don't see how, that's the minimum Wheelhouse Officer/Lookout complement. That vessel will also require a Captain, Chief Engineer, Second and Third Engineers, at least 3 A/B Unlimiteds, 3 O/Ss and a couple Oilers/Wipers depending on how advanced the engineering space is. You've been working in the mud too long. Even the bigger containerships now have only 10 or 11 crew. That 550 footer is a little coaster with an unmanned engine room, one-man bridge, and a reduced manning certificate. Not really. There are a good number of "reefers" and "break bulk" in this size range still running about the world going to all the ports those big box boats and ULCC's can't get near. Unmanned enginerooms are common, though one man bridge watches are less so, but growing in numbers. otn |
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Look under the Port State Pilot requirements. Typically a vessel with
greater than XX draft or XXX tonnage will require a state licensed pilot when entering and leaving port regardless of flag or use. These requirements are sometimes wavered for US flag vessels (in the US of course) if certain requirements are met. Generally licensing is required along with a certain number of trips along the route, typically 25, sometimes a Federal Pilotage Exam is required. "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Tom, I couldn't find any requirements for Michigan, thanks for the info. Paul "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:01:10 -0400, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: A friend and I were having a discussion, I stated that if I had the money to buy an ocean liner and just used it for personal pleasure (no paying passengers) I didn't need a captain's (master's) license. I said that it might be a bit of a problem finding someone willing to insure you though. My friend disagreed, he said that after 60 feet the boat required a captain's license. (just to keep this post on topic to this newsgroup I'll state that my friend is a Republican and I'm basically a Democrat, but we don't discuss this at all.) :-) So I ask the group. was I correct? Also is there a point (size wise) where insurance companies want you to have credentials such as a master's license or previous experience? Paul There is no absolute "requirement" by statute, regulation or other in federal waters/international waters, but.... I believe there may be a requirement for a license in any particular state, I'm not sure about that. I'm positive that other governments require licenses to enter their ports or territorial waters. With regard to insurance, it's up to the individual carrier, but most would want to have an experienced Master on board in order for them to insure it. I occasionally get a call to deliver a boat, or take a party beyond the Boundry Line and it's always because the insurance company requires a licensed Master to do so. Hope that helps. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:15:01 GMT, "HLAviation"
wrote: Look under the Port State Pilot requirements. Typically a vessel with greater than XX draft or XXX tonnage will require a state licensed pilot when entering and leaving port regardless of flag or use. These requirements are sometimes wavered for US flag vessels (in the US of course) if certain requirements are met. Generally licensing is required along with a certain number of trips along the route, typically 25, sometimes a Federal Pilotage Exam is required. Ask and ye shall receive. Good info - thanks. Later, Tom Later, Tom |
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otnmbrd wrote:
Not really. There are a good number of "reefers" and "break bulk" in this size range still running about the world going to all the ports those big box boats and ULCC's can't get near. "Not really" what? Like I wrote, that 550 footer is probably in feeder service, what used to be called "coasting" or "short sea trading." Ships in the liner trades nearly all have crew sizes ranging from 11 to 30 with an average around 18. MarAd has done several recent studies of manning levels and the results are available on the net. Unmanned enginerooms are common, though one man bridge watches are less so, but growing in numbers. A manned engine room is the exception these days except on older vessels. Even our (US flag) steamships have gone from a 3-man watch to a single engineer after 1700. The unlicensed engineer is a day worker. Nearly all our motorboat enginerooms are unmanned after 1700 except for maneuvering. Rick |
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HLAviation wrote: Look under the Port State Pilot requirements. Typically a vessel with greater than XX draft or XXX tonnage will require a state licensed pilot when entering and leaving port regardless of flag or use. These requirements are sometimes wavered for US flag vessels (in the US of course) if certain requirements are met. Generally licensing is required along with a certain number of trips along the route, typically 25, sometimes a Federal Pilotage Exam is required. I don't know of any "State Pilot" organization that doesn't also require that their members also hold "Federal Pilot" (USCG issued) licenses for the port, though there may be..... would take some research. Also, not all ports have "State Pilot" organizations, some work with just "Federal Pilots" and frequently require pilotage of any vessel over 300 GT. otn |
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Rick wrote: otnmbrd wrote: Not really. There are a good number of "reefers" and "break bulk" in this size range still running about the world going to all the ports those big box boats and ULCC's can't get near. "Not really" what? Like I wrote, that 550 footer is probably in feeder service, what used to be called "coasting" or "short sea trading." Ships in the liner trades nearly all have crew sizes ranging from 11 to 30 with an average around 18. The "Not really" referred to the fact that the ship mentioned (certified for 6) or others of like size were probably feeders or coasters. There are still a multitude of ships of this size, trading world wide. No arguments here as to crew sizes..... they vary considerably. otn MarAd has done several recent studies of manning levels and the results are available on the net. Unmanned enginerooms are common, though one man bridge watches are less so, but growing in numbers. A manned engine room is the exception these days except on older vessels. Even our (US flag) steamships have gone from a 3-man watch to a single engineer after 1700. The unlicensed engineer is a day worker. Nearly all our motorboat enginerooms are unmanned after 1700 except for maneuvering. Rick |
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What I was getting at was that you can get wavered from the State Pilot
requirement, but that it may require federal pilotage. I don't know of a State Pilot Association that isn't required Federal Pilotage for their members. Then there are some ports, especially in the oilfield like Fourchon, Morgan City, Cameron, Galveston... That as long as you are US Flagged and hold a USCG license appropriate to the vessel, you are not required a pilot. "otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net... HLAviation wrote: Look under the Port State Pilot requirements. Typically a vessel with greater than XX draft or XXX tonnage will require a state licensed pilot when entering and leaving port regardless of flag or use. These requirements are sometimes wavered for US flag vessels (in the US of course) if certain requirements are met. Generally licensing is required along with a certain number of trips along the route, typically 25, sometimes a Federal Pilotage Exam is required. I don't know of any "State Pilot" organization that doesn't also require that their members also hold "Federal Pilot" (USCG issued) licenses for the port, though there may be..... would take some research. Also, not all ports have "State Pilot" organizations, some work with just "Federal Pilots" and frequently require pilotage of any vessel over 300 GT. otn |
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Subject: Captain's License
From: "HLAviation" Date: 07/24/2004 12:51 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net What I was getting at was that you can get wavered from the State Pilot requirement, but that it may require federal pilotage. I don't know of a State Pilot Association that isn't required Federal Pilotage for their members. Then there are some ports, especially in the oilfield like Fourchon, Morgan City, Cameron, Galveston... That as long as you are US Flagged and hold a USCG license appropriate to the vessel, you are not required a pilot. The rules for pilotage are as varied as there are ports to vary them, with some ports stiffening these requirements in the past years. Take your last sentence. There are also ports where no matter what your flag and license, if you are over 330 GT you'll have a pilot. Needless to say, some supply boats fall into this category. Shen |
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