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U.S. Won't Turn Over Data for Iraq Audits

By Colum Lynch

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul15.html

UNITED NATIONS, July 15 -- The Bush administration is withholding
information from U.N.-sanctioned auditors examining more than $1
billion in contracts awarded to Halliburton Co. and other companies in
Iraq without competitive bidding, the head of the international
auditing board said Thursday.

Jean-Pierre Halbwachs, the U.N. representative to the International
Advisory and Monitoring Board (IAMB), said that the United States has
repeatedly rebuffed his requests since March to turn over internal
audits, including one that covered three contracts valued at $1.4
billion that were awarded to Halliburton, a Texas-based oil services
firm. It has also failed to produced a list of other companies that
have obtained contracts without having to compete.

The Security Council established the IAMB, which includes
representatives from the United Nations, the World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund, in May 2003 to ensure that Iraq's oil
revenue would be managed responsibly during the U.S. occupation. The
council extended its mandate in July so it could continue to monitor
the use of Iraq's oil revenue after the United States transferred
political authority to the Iraqis in June.

The dispute comes as the board released an initial audit by the
accounting firm KPMG on Thursday that sharply criticized the U.S.-led
coalition's management of billions of dollars in Iraqi oil revenue.
The audit also raised concerns about lax financial controls in some
Iraqi ministries, citing poor bookkeeping and duplicate payments of
salaries to government employees.

The Pentagon did not specifically answer questions about withholding
information to auditors, but released a statement saying the Coalition
Provisional Authority worked hard to manage Iraq's oil resources.

"In a very challenging environment, the CPA made every effort to bring
sound management transparency and oversight to the Development Fund
for Iraq while at the same time improving the quality of life for the
Iraqi people," said Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman. "The
CPA supported the efforts of the auditors. KPMG's comments and
recommendations will be passed on to the Iraqi interim government for
their use."

The audit, which covers May 2003 to December 2003, asserts that the
coalition's management of Iraq's oil was plagued by "inadequate"
bookkeeping and accounting systems, high turnover among coalition
finance officials and a disregard for procedures designed to ensure
competitive bidding for contracts. KPMG is planning to produce a
second audit that covers the coalition's management of the program
through June 2004.

The IAMB concluded that more than $10 billion in Iraq's oil proceeds
and frozen assets had been "properly and transparently accounted for"
after they were deposited in the U.S.-controlled Development Fund for
Iraq. But it asserted that "financial controls were insufficient to
provide reasonable assurance" that the money was properly spent.

"KPMG has not reported to us any evidence of fraud," Halbwachs told
reporters before the audit was released. "There are weaknesses that
could lead to fraudulent activities. It makes it easier to defraud the
system if the controls are weak."

In a written response to the criticism included in the report, the
U.S.-led coalition said management of Iraq's oil industry was hampered
by ongoing violence.

"Although the auditor encountered difficulties, they are generally the
result of the challenging work environment and the precautions the
security conditions demanded," according to a statement included in
the audit. "For example, retrieving a simple bank statement from the
Central Bank of Iraq, or a meeting with Ministry of Oil officials,
presented significant security issues, as these facilities required a
security detail of at least six persons."

KPMG outlined a series of other shortcomings, including the
coalition's failure to install meters on Iraq's Persian Gulf export
loading platforms, making it impossible to determine how much oil Iraq
was exporting. KPMG said that it was unable to verify independently
the value of crude oil Iraq bartered for Syrian electricity.

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Harry,

Why is this even news?

What's the point?

What the hell does the UN have to do with a US contract to Halliburton, anyway?

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the US is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Politics is a crooked business. Why are we continually suprised that the
ultimate politicians are the biggest crooks of all?

Yawn.

Go boating. Enjoy that hot water. :-)

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Gould 0738 wrote:

Harry,

Why is this even news?

What's the point?

What the hell does the UN have to do with a US contract to Halliburton, anyway?

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the US is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Politics is a crooked business. Why are we continually suprised that the
ultimate politicians are the biggest crooks of all?

Yawn.

Go boating. Enjoy that hot water. :-)


This past week, I had lunch with an interesting group of people,
including a couple of Republicans. One of them told me he was planning
to stay home on election day because "hardly a day goes by without
another revelation of the dirtiness of Bush and his administraiton," and
that he thought "Bush was too crooked to vote for again."

That's why.

There is a small but growing number of Republicans who either will vote
for Kerry or will not vote at all because of their disappointment in
Bush. I feel the upcoming election is going to be another squeaker, and
anything that can be done to make Republicans queasy about Bush and
convince them to NOT vote for him is worthwhile.

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the US
is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since
day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Certain whacko elements of the Dem party (who obviously feel they haven't
gotten enough media attention lately) have requested UN monitoring of our
election. Apparently, they never read the UN's own rules......

Do they think that this will establish them with rational voters? Likely
just pandering to their constituents, who don't think at all......

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John Gaquin wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the US
is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since
day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Certain whacko elements of the Dem party (who obviously feel they haven't
gotten enough media attention lately) have requested UN monitoring of our
election. Apparently, they never read the UN's own rules......

Do they think that this will establish them with rational voters? Likely
just pandering to their constituents, who don't think at all......



Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida, where the
president's brother is still working at stealing the outcome.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message


This past week, I had lunch with an interesting group of people,
including a couple of Republicans. One of them told me he was planning
to stay home on election day because "hardly a day goes by without
another revelation of the dirtiness of Bush and his administraiton," and
that he thought "Bush was too crooked to vote for again."


This paragraph triggers my memory. I think you posted this same para,
almost verbatim, several months ago. I don't have the time or the
inclination to do the digging right now. God, Harry -- posting boilerplate
rants now?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida, where the
president's brother is still working at stealing the outcome.

Blah, blah, blah. Grow up, Harry. The FL election results were
investigated by no less than eight Universities and newspapers. The *only*
plausible evidence of manipulation found involved the Dems attempt to
squelch the military absentee vote. And W won the vote count in every case.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:07:08 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

The FL election results were
investigated by no less than eight Universities and newspapers. The *only*
plausible evidence of manipulation found involved the Dems attempt to
squelch the military absentee vote.

Complete hogwash. Between the highly flawed and secretive voter felon
list, and the attempts to intimidate minority voters, the Florida vote
was anything but free and fair.

bb

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida,

The State of FL has spent millions changing aspects of the voting system and
procedures, all at the behest of supposed disenfranchised whiners, and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.
They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000, and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.

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John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


This past week, I had lunch with an interesting group of people,
including a couple of Republicans. One of them told me he was planning
to stay home on election day because "hardly a day goes by without
another revelation of the dirtiness of Bush and his administraiton," and
that he thought "Bush was too crooked to vote for again."


This paragraph triggers my memory. I think you posted this same para,
almost verbatim, several months ago. I don't have the time or the
inclination to do the digging right now. God, Harry -- posting boilerplate
rants now?



Indeed, there is a small but growing number of Republicans who will NOT
be voting for Bush this fall who voted for him in 2000. A small number
of those will vote for Kerry. The majority, I guess, will stay home on
election day.

When I have lunch downtown, it usually is with folks involved in the
political process for a llving. We rarely discuss right-wing newsgroup
assholes or homophobic dentists.
`

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"bb" wrote in message

The FL election results were
investigated by no less than eight Universities and newspapers. The
*only*
plausible evidence of manipulation found involved the Dems attempt to
squelch the military absentee vote.

Complete hogwash. Between the highly flawed and secretive voter felon
list, and the attempts to intimidate minority voters, the Florida vote
was anything but free and fair.

Note that I referred to "...plausible evidence of manipulation..." I know
it is inconvenient to restrict yourself to proper methodology.

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John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida,

The State of FL has spent millions changing aspects of the voting system and
procedures, all at the behest of supposed disenfranchised whiners, and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.
They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000, and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.



Jeb Bush is still governor, and there are news stories almost every week
about his attempts to pooch the next election.

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and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.

Was that the local election decided by less than 20 votes, with the only
"problem" Diebold's software "failing to record" the votes of something like
130 voters? Thank heaven we don't get many winds from the SE....that stinks
to badly we'd smell it in Seattle.

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Gould 0738 wrote:

and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties remain.

Was that the local election decided by less than 20 votes, with the only
"problem" Diebold's software "failing to record" the votes of something like
130 voters? Thank heaven we don't get many winds from the SE....that stinks
to badly we'd smell it in Seattle.


I think anyone who votes is entitled to receive a serial numbered
receipt indicating who got the votes, and that should be especially true
with electronic voting.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the
US
is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since
day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Certain whacko elements of the Dem party (who obviously feel they
haven't
gotten enough media attention lately) have requested UN monitoring of
our
election. Apparently, they never read the UN's own rules......

Do they think that this will establish them with rational voters?
Likely
just pandering to their constituents, who don't think at all......



Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida, where the
president's brother is still working at stealing the outcome.

Yes the democrat counties in our state have many problems. Unfortunately
our Gov can't interfere in those
counties as they would scream that he is trying to fix the election.

Stealing the election?? You mean by having the Florida (Democrats all)
Supreme Court issue a ruling that violates the constitution of the USA and
the Florida Constitution so that the Democrats could steal the election.
You mean by A Democrat designing a ballot so that illiterate people would
choose the third party candidate rather than Gore. etc. etc. etc.

Gesh, we realize that the popular vote here was for Gore. I think it's
ironic that the Democrats lost because of their own incompetence. It's
plain STUPID and INFANTILE to blame that on the winner.

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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message

Once we had played the "Saddam is in violation of UN sanctions so the
US
is
going to kick his butt" card, we've had no further use for the UN since
day
one. What right does the UN have to audit the US?

Certain whacko elements of the Dem party (who obviously feel they
haven't
gotten enough media attention lately) have requested UN monitoring of
our
election. Apparently, they never read the UN's own rules......

Do they think that this will establish them with rational voters?
Likely
just pandering to their constituents, who don't think at all......



Our elections should be monitored...especially in Florida, where the
president's brother is still working at stealing the outcome.

Yes the democrat counties in our state have many problems. Unfortunately
our Gov can't interfere in those
counties as they would scream that he is trying to fix the election.

Stealing the election?? You mean by having the Florida (Democrats all)
Supreme Court issue a ruling that violates the constitution of the USA and
the Florida Constitution so that the Democrats could steal the election.
You mean by A Democrat designing a ballot so that illiterate people would
choose the third party candidate rather than Gore. etc. etc. etc.

Gesh, we realize that the popular vote here was for Gore. I think it's
ironic that the Democrats lost because of their own incompetence. It's
plain STUPID and INFANTILE to blame that on the winner.



I suggest for starters you read up what happened to perfectly legitimate
black voters in Duval County.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:11:06 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000,

That would be Jeb Bush and Co.

and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.

So, it was stupid voters who tried to secretly use another flawed
felon voters list, eh? Ok John. If the police put up more road
blocks in low income neighborhoods this year, it will be because
stupid voters wanted the to.

bb

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"bb" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:11:06 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

They need to change the one factor that mattered in 2000,

That would be Jeb Bush and Co.

and the only
factor that will ameliorate the problem going forward - stupid voters.

So, it was stupid voters who tried to secretly use another flawed
felon voters list, eh? Ok John. If the police put up more road
blocks in low income neighborhoods this year, it will be because
stupid voters wanted the to.

bb
The Felon voter list has been checked twice and those felons who unlawfully
rgistered to vote before their civil rights were restored have been purged
from the list. They can now vote. Amazing that the democrats think that
most felons will vote democrat.

I wasn't aware that roadblocks were put in low income neighborhoods. The
ones I heard of were on Interstate roads inbetween towns so that they can't
be avoided. That's a common practice here to trap drug smugglers. Oh, drug
smugglers vote democrat too.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:

and
recent local elections and tests indicate that serious difficulties
remain.

Was that the local election decided by less than 20 votes, with the only
"problem" Diebold's software "failing to record" the votes of something
like
130 voters? Thank heaven we don't get many winds from the SE....that
stinks
to badly we'd smell it in Seattle.


I think anyone who votes is entitled to receive a serial numbered
receipt indicating who got the votes, and that should be especially true
with electronic voting.

I totally agree! a paper trail that we can use to verify our vote