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Bull****. If he's effeminate, then that's Mother Nature. If he ends up
liking other men, then that's a lifestyle *choice*. Do you remember the day you "chose" between straight and gay? Gays don't chose to be gay, any more than the rest of choose to be hetero. Yup. Those in the relationship are less likely to spread diseases. But if you raise kids in a gay household, I'd venture to say that it's more likely the kids will be gay. Not according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. I'd venture to say there are no statistics, at all, to back up your wild assertion. Kids who grow up in a gay household are more likely to understand and respect the gay lifestyle, but no hetero guy is going to suppress his natural desire for women and force himself to have sex with men simply because he had two dads at home. It's not a "choice" for straights. It's not a "choice" for gays. The only choice a gay person has is to be gay or to repress his or her sexuality entirely. For those who believe that these people are an evil threat to the fabric of society, I suppose that is what you would prefer they do. If they're not going to have sex like you do, then they shouldn't be allowed to have sex at all. Right? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: I wonder if the fine citizens of 'Key West' or 'South Beach' know about Dr. No and his phobias? Why do you think he's scared ****less of publishing any identifying material? I treat every person who's in my dental chair with respect and professionalism...even the guy who walked in wearing a Kerry/Edwards pin the other day. ;-) I said nothing to him about his pin...and he said nothing to me about my "signed" letter from Bush sitting on the front counter. I even have several homosexual patients who come in for cleanings at the same time as their "significant other". They, too, are treated with respect and professionalism...enough so, that they've referred other same-sex "couples". One of the guys lives with his partner in the most exclusive (ie--expensive) part of Naples. They tried to join the beach club as a couple, and my patient was admitted, but his partner was refused membership rights that are only granted to spouses. Naples has its fair share of homosexuals because it's a low-crime area. Homosexuals can live here safely because the people are educated and law-abiding...so hate crimes are non-existent. The gays don't flaunt their homosexuality like they do in restrooms in South Beach, and the rest of Naples leaves them alone. That's the way it should be. We even had a Gay/Lesbian (Pride?) group of about a dozen people walking in the Fourth of July parade. They walked right alongside Planned Parenthood and the Democratic party's float. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... I wonder if the fine citizens of 'Key West' or 'South Beach' know about Dr. No and his phobias? He's a mighty scary dude. I wouldn't want to be in his care if I were anything but white and rich. In my dental office, I even treat liberals with respect, jps. So if you accidentally ended up in my chair one day, you'd have nothing to worry about. |
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:09:19 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: I wonder if the fine citizens of 'Key West' or 'South Beach' know about Dr. No and his phobias? ============================= The distance between Naples, South Beach and KW is about a million miles. |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message news:YkyJc.11133 Statistics have shown that homosexuals make up about 10% of our population. Not so. Old figures. Debunked. I was being generous. Since the number is even lower, my point is even more poignant. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Bull****. If he's effeminate, then that's Mother Nature. If he ends up liking other men, then that's a lifestyle *choice*. Do you remember the day you "chose" between straight and gay? You don't "choose" to be straight. Everybody is "straight" by default. You choose the alternative. That's why homosexuality is also called an "alternative lifestyle". Gays don't chose to be gay, any more than the rest of choose to be hetero. BS! |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 15 Jul 2004 20:12:02 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: 80 degreee water?! Good grief. The *air* seldom gets that hot in any "proper" climate. :-) =============================================== 80 degrees ain't nuttin. I was out for a quick spin on the Caloosahatchie River before dinner and the water temperature was 93 degrees about a 1/4 mile from the house. Unfortunately that's also a reflection of the air temperature this time of year. They don't call it the tropics for no reason, and yes, engine cooling does become an issue. Hopefully I will be retired by this time next year and cruising Maine and the Cape Cod area on our new (to us) Grand Banks 49. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 Beautiful boat Wayne. I always liked the lines of Grand Banks. Did you notice a decrease in the water quality on the river today? I heard they did another "big dump" from Lake O. Fishing should suck for awhile again...and it's only a matter of time before the red tide blooms. People at SW Florida Water Mgmt. District ought to be hung. .. |
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Gays don't chose to be gay, any more than the rest of choose to be hetero.
BS! Yes, NOYB. BS. Biological Science. Even if you want to call it a choice, there are common variations of the X chromosone among male homosexuals who make that choice. And no, all those PhD's at the end of this piece do not stand for "practicing homosexual doctor". What is rather interesting is that this information evolved from a genetic study of men who had died from AIDS. There was no predetermined objective to prove anything about genetics and homosexual behavior, that turned out to be an incidental discovery. Read and learn: CANCER FACTS National Cancer Institute National Institutes of Health A new study has found a correlation between a specific region of the X chromosome and male homosexuality. The finding represents new evidence that sexual orientation may be influenced by heredity. The study is reported in the July 16 issue of Science by scientists from the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. By analyzing the inheritance of genetic markers in pairs of homosexual brothers, the scientists localized the region related to sexual orientation to a minute segment of the human genome. However, a specific gene has not yet been isolated. Dean Hamer, Ph.D., chief author of the study, said, "The region that we've discovered represents a significant variation in the human genetic repertoire. If the gene itself can be isolated, then it will be important to understand how it interacts with other genes, the brain, and the environment to influence a trait as complex and variable as human sexuality." Hamer is with the National Cancer Institute and conducted the study as part of the Institute's effort to identify genetic factors involved in cancers that are frequently found in gay men infected with the AIDS virus. Hamer and colleagues studied the family histories of 114 gay men and found that their brothers, maternal uncles, and maternal male cousins were more likely to be homosexual than would be expected among the general male population. In some families, gay relatives could be traced back for three generations. Because the homosexual uncles and male cousins of the gay subjects were raised in different households, the scientists hypothesized that a genetic factor was involved. Furthermore, the maternal link suggested that homosexuality might be associated with the X chromosome, which is the sex-linked chromosome that men inherit only from their mothers. Explicit evidence for a genetic link was obtained by studying the X chromosome DNA of 40 pairs of gay brothers. The scientists used a technique called linkage mapping to search for patterns of similarity in the genetic information of related individuals. Thirty-three of the gay sibling pairs had coinherited genetic markers in the same chromosome region called Xq28, suggesting that 65 percent of the families studied were transmitting a gene for homosexual orientation. "The statistical significance of the results was better than 99 percent, which means that the possibility of obtaining our findings by chance is extremely unlikely," said Hamer. However, he noted that replication on an independent population of families will be necessary to confirm the results. The scientists do not know why 7 of the 40 pairs of gay brothers did not coinherit the Xq28 genetic marker. Hamer postulated that these gay men may have inherited other genes that are associated with homosexuality, or they might have been influenced by environmental factors or life experiences. "Given the intricacies of human behavior, it is not surprising that a single genetic locus [region] fails to account for all of the variation seen in the study group," said Hamer. "What is remarkable is that we can account for at least some of the inherited variability with a fair degree of statistical confidence." The scientists are also studying the families of lesbians. Preliminary results suggest that female sexual orientation is genetically influenced, but DNA markers have not been detected yet. Hamer emphasized that the study was not designed to test for sexual orientation. The findings do not permit determination of an individual's sexual orientation, he pointed out, because the complexities of sexuality cannot be fully explained by a gene or genes. As efforts to map the human genome progress, there will be increasing concern about how the information is used. Scientists, educators, policymakers, and the public should work together to ensure that behavioral genetics research is used to benefit all members of society and not to discriminate," said Hamer. The study is titled "A Linkage Between DNA Markers on the X Chromosome and Male Sexual Orientation." The authors are Dean H. Hamer, Ph.D., Stella Hu, M.A., Victoria L. Magnuson, Ph.D., Nan Hu, M.D., and Angela M. L. Pattatucci, Ph.D. |
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Psychol Rep. 2004 Apr;94(2):422-4. Related Articles, Links
What was really learned from Tasker and Golombok's (1995) study of lesbian and single parent mothers? Schumm WR. School of Family Studies and Human Services, Justin Hall, Kansas State University, 1700 Anderson Avenue, Manhattan, KS 66506-1403, USA. Limitations of research on gays and family life are discussed, including the low statistical power of small samples, a condition which increases the likelihood of failing to reject null hypotheses. In particular, it is observed that Fitzgerald in 1999 shifted from very tentative arguments in her review of literature to rather conclusive statements in her abstract about outcomes for children of gay parents. Furthermore, an often quoted 1995 article by Tasker and Golombok, upon closer examination, appears to indicate that being raised in a lesbian family increases the odds of a child later adopting a homosexual lifestyle even in the absence of homosexual attractions. For such reasons, scholars and policymakers all should be very cautious in accepting, at face value, at least some of the research being reported on gays and family life. |
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Psychol Rep. 2003 Dec;93(3 Pt 1):793-802. Related Articles, Links
Molestations by homosexual foster parents: newspaper accounts vs official records. Cameron P. Family Research Institute, Colorado Springs, CO 80962, USA. To assess whether a systematic tally of newspaper accounts reflect official foster-parent molestation a review of 6,444 news stories on Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe from 1989 through 2002 about child molestation yielded 33 stories involving foster parents. Of the 25 foster-parent perpetrators, at least 15 (60%) engaged in homosexuality. In Illinois 1997-2002, 92 (34%) of 270 foster- or adoptive-parent perpetrators who engaged in "substantiated" sexual abuse homosexually abused their charges. These findings suggest that the proportion of homosexual perpetrators in a systematic tally of newspaper stories is similar to the proportion of homosexual perpetrators in datasets from large entities and put in question the current policy of utilizing homosexuals as foster and adoptive parents |
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Psychol Rep. 2003 Oct;93(2):410-6. Related Articles, Links
Domestic violence among homosexual partners. Cameron P. Family Research Institute, Inc., Colorado Springs, CO 80962, USA. Is domestic violence more frequent in homosexual partnerships? The 1996 National Household Survey of Drug Abuse, based upon a random sample of 12,381 adults aged 18 to 59 years, estimated that 828,900 men and 828,678 women engaged in homosexuality in the prior 12 months. Random surveys indicated that at any given time, 29% of homosexual men and 32% of homosexual women are in same-sex partnerships. The National Criminal Victimization Survey for 1993 to 1999 reported that 0.24% of married women and 0.035% of married men were victims of domestic violence annually versus 4.6% of the men and 5.8% of the women reporting same-sex partnerships. Domestic violence appears to be more frequently reported in same-sex partnerships than among the married. |
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Here's proof of how we're being "desensitized":
J Homosex. 2002;44(1):157-79. Related Articles, Links The effect of movie portrayals on audience attitudes about nontraditional families and sexual orientation. Mazur MA, Emmers-Sommer TM. Department of Communication, University of Oklahoma, Norman 73019, USA. This study examined the impact of motion pictures about the family on viewers' attitudes about family life and sexual orientation. Viewers were randomly assigned to view either Father of the Bride II (control group) or Object of My Affection (treatment group). Viewers' attitudes toward nontraditionalism and homosexuality were assessed before and after viewing their respective film. Treatment and control groups significantly differed in their attitudes toward nontraditionalism, but did not significantly differ in their attitudes toward homosexuals after viewing their respective films. However, the treatment group experienced more favorable attitudes toward homosexuals than the control group after viewing the film. Gender differences were also observed. Men were less tolerant of homosexuals and held fewer nontraditional beliefs about the family than women. Implications and discussion follow. |
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Psychol Rep. 2002 Feb;90(1):71-82. Related Articles, Links
Comment in: a.. Psychol Rep. 2002 Aug;91(1):331-2. Children of homosexual parents report childhood difficulties. Cameron P, Cameron K. Family Research Institute, Inc., Colorado Springs, CO 80962-2640, USA. Referenced as both supporting and weakening the case for parenting by homosexuals, 57 life-story narratives of children with homosexual parents published by Rafkin in 1990 and Saffron in 1996 were subjected to content analysis. Children mentioned one or more problems or concerns in 48 (92%) of 52 families. Of the 213 scored problems, 201 (94%) were attributed to the homosexual parent(s). Older daughters in at least 8 (27%) of 30 families and older sons in at least 2 (20%) of 10 families described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. These findings are inconsistent with propositions that children of homosexuals do not differ appreciably from those who live with married parents or that children of homosexuals are not more apt to engage in homosexuality. |
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If Chuck was right, and 13% of the population is homosexual, then why do
they account for half of the molestations on school kids? Psychol Rep. 2002 Feb;90(1):173-4. Related Articles, Links Do homosexual teachers account for about half of news stories of molestations of pupils? A Boston Globe replication. Cameron P. Family Research Institute, Colorado Springs, CO 80952-2640, USA. Homosexual interaction was involved in 11 (48%) of 23 and 10 (45%) of 22, that is, about half of two nationwide databases of newspaper stories about teachers sexual involvement with pupils reported by Cameron and Cameron in 1998. Whether this relationship holds at a local level was examined by searching all indexed 'sex crimes' in the Boston Globe from 1991 through 1998 for local stories about sex between pupil and teacher. Of the 21 teachers in 20 stories, 11 (52%) interacted homosexually with pupils. Thus it appears that nationally and locally, as reported in newspapers, about half of the molestations by teachers are homosexual. |
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Chuck's 13% figure is way too high.
Psychol Rep. 1998 Jun;82(3 Pt 1):861-2. Related Articles, Links "Definitive" University of Chicago sex survey overestimated prevalence of homosexual identity. Cameron P, Cameron K. Family Research Institute, Colorado Springs 800962, USA. The 1994 University of Chicago "definitive" survey of adults estimated prevalence of homosexuality among males at 2.8% and among females at 1.4%. Corrected for the exclusion of those over the age of 59 years, the estimates should be 2.3% and 1.2%. |
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J Psychol. 1997 May;131(3):313-32. Related Articles, Links
Did the APA misrepresent the scientific literature to courts in support of homosexual custody? Cameron P, Cameron K. Family Research Institute, Colorado Springs, CO 80962-2640, USA. In 1994, American Psychological Association amicus briefs informed two state Supreme Courts that (a) homosexual parents are not more apt to have homosexual children; (b) lesbians "score significantly higher than heterosexual parents" on a measure of parental effectiveness; and (c) no differences between the children raised by homosexuals and nonhomosexuals had been found "regardless of the geographic region within the United States where the children were raised." In fact, the evidence from these briefs shows to the contrary that (a) homosexual parents are more apt to have homosexual children; (b) the findings on parental effectiveness consisted of 15 fathers being less verbal than 45 mothers; and (c) the finding of no differences between homosexually and heterosexually raised children consisted of investigators visiting 11 states to test 89 offspring of 83 lesbian vs. 81 children of 69 nonlesbian volunteers. The APA's support for gay rights in these briefs may have violated its own ethical principles that "psychologists base their statements on scientifically acceptable psychological findings and techniques with full recognition of the limits and uncertainties of such evidence" and that psychologists must "provide thorough discussion of the limitations of their data, especially where their work touches on social policy" (APA, 1981). |
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Psychol Rep. 1995 Apr;76(2):611-21. Related Articles, Links
Does incest cause homosexuality? Cameron P, Cameron K. Family Research Institute, Washington, DC 20013, USA. A random sample of 5,182 adults from 6 U.S. metropolitan areas were questioned about incestuous sexual relationships during childhood. Incest was disproportionately reported by both male and female bisexuals and homosexuals. 148 gays (7.7% of the sample) reported 14 (50%) of same-sex, and 7 (22%) of opposite-sex incestuous experiences, and 20 (69%) of same-sex and 2 (3%) of opposite-sex sexual experiences with other relatives. 88 lesbians (3% of the sample) reported 2 (33%) of same-sex incest and 7 (9%) of opposite-sex incest and 1 (17%) of same-sex and 10 (13%) of opposite-sex sexual experiences with other relatives. 12% of 98 male homosexuals vs 0.8% of 1,224 male heterosexuals with a brother reported brother-brother incest. These findings are consonant with those of other studies in which disproportionately more incest by homosexuals was reported. As opposed to an evolutionary genetic hypothesis, these data support the alternative that homosexuality may be learned, since homosexuals do not produce children at sustainable levels and the incidence of homosexuality varies as a function of various social factors. Incest cannot be excluded as a significant basis for homosexuality. |
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NOYB wrote:
Here's proof of how we're being "desensitized": J Homosex. 2002;44(1):157-79. Related Articles, Links The effect of movie portrayals on audience attitudes about nontraditional families and sexual orientation. Mazur MA, Emmers-Sommer TM. Department of Communication, University of Oklahoma, Norman 73019, USA. This study examined the impact of motion pictures about the family on It's not proof, you ninny. It's someone's research paper. |
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:42:47 -0400, NOYB wrote:
Cameron P, Cameron K. "Cameron was dropped from membership in the American Psychological Association in 1984 for ethical violations concerning his biased research. That same year, the Psychological Association in his home state of Nebraska adopted a formal resolution disassociating itself from Cameron's work." From: http://www.rainbowallianceopenfaith....m/Cameron.html For more on Paul Cameron: http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/ha...lycameron.html http://www.qrd.org/QRD/www/RRR/cameron.html |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ...
Psychol Rep. 2003 Dec;93(3 Pt 1):793-802. Related Articles, Links Molestations by homosexual foster parents: newspaper accounts vs official records. Cameron P. Family Research Institute, Colorado Springs, CO 80962, USA. To assess whether a systematic tally of newspaper accounts reflect official foster-parent molestation a review of 6,444 news stories on Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe from 1989 through 2002 about child molestation yielded 33 stories involving foster parents. Of the 25 foster-parent perpetrators, at least 15 (60%) engaged in homosexuality. In Illinois 1997-2002, 92 (34%) of 270 foster- or adoptive-parent perpetrators who engaged in "substantiated" sexual abuse homosexually abused their charges. These findings suggest that the proportion of homosexual perpetrators in a systematic tally of newspaper stories is similar to the proportion of homosexual perpetrators in datasets from large entities and put in question the current policy of utilizing homosexuals as foster and adoptive parents Two sides to every coin. You know, or should know, that statistics can be manipulated many different ways. What percentage is this with regards to ALL sexual attacks by adoptive or foster parent perpetrators? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Bull****. If he's effeminate, then that's Mother Nature. If he ends up liking other men, then that's a lifestyle *choice*. Do you remember the day you "chose" between straight and gay? You don't "choose" to be straight. Everybody is "straight" by default. You choose the alternative. That's why homosexuality is also called an "alternative lifestyle". You are stupid beyond belief. Do you honestly think people choose to be gay? Why would anyone choose to be gay? Do they like the humiliation from dolts such as you? Do they like the stares and whispers? Do they like the beatings by straight skinheads? |
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:19:13 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoo...bum?.dir=/4f58 Beautiful boat Wayne. I always liked the lines of Grand Banks. Thanks. They have a nice traditional appearance which is kind of timeless, abeit with a little too much exterior wood. Draft at 5 feet is something of an issue here in SWFL but I'm on a deep water canal and our primary usage will be cruising elsewhere. Did you notice a decrease in the water quality on the river today? I heard they did another "big dump" from Lake O. It's hard to say without testing. We have had some significant algae blooms this summer however. Fishing should suck for awhile again...and it's only a matter of time before the red tide blooms. People at SW Florida Water Mgmt. District ought to be hung. |
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We do not have a clear idea of the functional significance of these structural
sex differences. Some of these structures, such as the interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus, are located in an area of the brain known to play a role in the regulation of reproductive behavior. Sex differences in the corpus callosum and perhaps the anterior commissure could be related to interhemispheric communication. In human beings, brain function is more lateralized in males. However, even in laboratory animals, the specific functions of the various sexually dimorphic nuclei are not clear. Of considerable interest are 3 recent reports of a structural brain difference between homosexual and apparently heterosexual men. One component of the interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus is larger in heterosexual men. In addition, the suprachiasmatic nucleus of homosexual men is larger than that of either heterosexual Read more at: http://info.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/pl...t/March99.html |
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Molestations by homosexual foster parents: newspaper accounts vs official
records. Not so fast, Doc. You're shifting gears from a cite war over whether or not a genetic basis for homosexuality is BS to reports of anti-social behavior by some homosexuals. Let me help you get back on track: Published: Thursday, April 2, 1998 Research links inner ear and sexual preference -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Tara Tongco Staff Reporter A new discovery adds support to the theory that sexual orientation may be predisposed before birth. The auditory systems of homosexual women are different than those of heterosexual women, according to a study done by Dennis McFadden and Edward Pasanen, both of University of Texas at Austin. The study was published March 3 in "The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences." McFadden, professor for experimental psychology, said they found the inner ears of homosexual females have undergone "masculinization" caused by a prenatal effect. "Their auditory centers have been masculinized, and the presumption is that so have the sites in the brain that direct sexual preference," he said Previous research already has established that women have more sensitive hearing than men, but UT research discovered that the inner ears of homosexual women worked more like those of men, McFadden said. "Normal inner ears make sounds under certain circumstances," he said, "and these sounds are known as otoacoustic emissions or OAEs." One type of OAE is an echo-like sound that the inner ear makes in response to a clicking sound, McFadden said. Microphones were put in ears to record the echoes, and the OAEs of the studied 61 homosexual and bisexual women were significantly weaker than the 57 heterosexual women also tested, McFadden said. "This is the first evidence of physiological differences we know of in homosexual/bisexual females and heterosexual females," he said. "But what we have observed are group differences. It is not possible to tell individually by looking at ears whether a woman is a lesbian." The inner ear will serve as a window for prenatal developmental processes and sexual differentiation, McFadden said. "Research on the inner ear seems like a bizarre, weird thing to do, but it has some history," McFadden said. "Studies have been done showing females who have male twins have OAEs that are more masculine because the female fetus was exposed to higher-than-normal level of testosterone from the male fetus in the womb." He said incidents of homosexuality are not higher in women having male twins than in other women, but the earlier findings suggest homosexual women also may have been exposed to higher levels of a testosterone-like substance during some prenatal development stage. "It's not enough to masculinize the body, but enough to partially masculinize the brain and one of its primary sense organs — the inner ear," McFadden said. He said research is continuing. "We're investigating other auditory measures to see if we get similar results," he said. DeAnna Browne, English and journalism junior at Oklahoma State University, said the research doesn't really matter to her. "When I figured out I was gay, it didn't occur to me to dwell on what biological or physical differences I had from straight people," Browne said. "If (the research) is well backed up and proven, that's great, but it doesn't matter why to me, it just matters that I am." She said after she turned 19 or 20 years old she quit trying to find an answer and accepted who she was. "There are many factors in my life that could have contributed to my becoming gay," Browne said. "I could dwell for hours on the factors, but there comes a time when those factors become secondary to just living life." Browne said most everyone has heard about the male gay gene, but there were never any biological answers for lesbianism. "If the research is correct, then lesbians consistently and constantly seeking a reason for their homosexuality will have a base by which they can say, 'This is why I'm gay,'" she said. Cheryl Rice, history senior, said it took her 34 years to admit she was a lesbian. "I didn't want to admit it, because society said I was supposed to get married to a man and have kids," Rice said. "When I finally did admit it, I felt so relieved that I didn't even think about a reason why." She said several people in her family are gay. "I tend to believe that (homosexuality) is genetic," she said. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ------ Tara Tongco Staff Reporter The auditory systems of homosexual women are different than those of heterosexual women, Does that mean that homosexual women will actually listen to a guy? :-) |
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Check this site: http://religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm There we are, NOYB. You and I fairly accurately reflected in the chart comparing "most conservative" vs. "most liberal" views on homosexuality. I find the following comments at this site rather revealing: Most human sexuality researchers believe that one's orientation is fixed and unchangeable. Exceptions are those specialists in human sexuality who are also religious conservatives. Many of the latter are members of NARTH, a small professional organization that promotes conservative religious beliefs about homosexuality. Imagine that! Some people apparently let a religious desire for certain results influence the methodology of their research. Also of interest, the description of the two groups holding the most conservative, vs. the most liberal views. Most Conservative: The most conservative view, typically promoted by the conservative religious groups, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, etc. Most Liberal: The most liberal view, Typically followed by religious liberals, gays, lesbians, mental health professionals and human sexuality researchers. "Mental health professionals and human sexuality researchers"? What the heck would they know about it, compared to a Mullah, a Rabbi, or a Fundamentalist Preacher? Don't know about you, but I usually head straight to the nearest chruch when I need a science lesson. (not) |
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Does that mean that homosexual women will actually listen to a guy?
:-) Good one! Did you know that one of the mercies of nature is that older men begin developing an auditory nerve deafness that just happens to correspond with the pitch range of the average female voice? Hee haw! 'Course, the reverse is true as well, and women actually lose some hearing in the lower registers more typically associated with male speech. :-) |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ....women actually lose some hearing in the lower registers more typically associated with male speech. :-) Shortly after our wedding, my wife seemed to develop a total hearing loss *exactly* corresponding to the tonal characteristics of my voice. Otherwise unaffected. :-) |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message Most Liberal: The most liberal view, Typically followed by religious liberals, gays, lesbians, mental health professionals and human sexuality researchers. Chicken or egg? Did these people become mental health professionals and human sexuality researchers as a result of their liberal leanings? Is this the vast left-wing conspiracy? Inquiring minds..... |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... LOL Check this site: http://religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm You are trying to substantiate your argument with an anti-"Christian Conservative" website? You're right! I did LOL. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Molestations by homosexual foster parents: newspaper accounts vs official records. Not so fast, Doc. You're shifting gears from a cite war over whether or not a genetic basis for homosexuality is BS to reports of anti-social behavior by some homosexuals. Let me help you get back on track: Published: Thursday, April 2, 1998 Research links inner ear and sexual preference LOL. Gives a new meaning to "aural" sex. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... LOL Check this site: http://religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm You are trying to substantiate your argument with an anti-"Christian Conservative" website? You're right! I did LOL. Chistian Conservatives are to Jesus as the Taliban are to Mohammed. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... LOL Check this site: http://religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm You are trying to substantiate your argument with an anti-"Christian Conservative" website? You're right! I did LOL. Chistian Conservatives are to Jesus as the Taliban are to Mohammed. Conservative people who also happen to be Christian don't want to roll back the hands of time several centuries like the Taliban. We would just like the current status quo to be maintained, without any *further* erosion of our country's moral fabric. |
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LOL. Gives a new meaning to "aural" sex.
That was awful. Go sit in the corner. :-) |
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You are trying to substantiate your argument with an anti-"Christian
Conservative" website? You're right! I did LOL. Pssst. Hey, NOYB, just between you and I, I think that website is trying to explore the entire assortment of Christian perspectives on issues. (Tough concept for a lot of folks who sincerely believe their only private understanding is the only one that could possibly be valid, or Christian.) Does the introduction of ideas not in lock-step with your own perceptions somehow threaten conservative Christianity? Why? If you're so absolutely right, you have nothing to fear. Plus, we're talking a matter of constitutional law, not religion. I only used the graph from that website because it seemed to illustrate our opposite positions so clearly. ******** MIssion statement from your "anti- conservative Christian" website: Points of concern: It is our policy to compare and contrast the beliefs and practices of very conservative with very liberal Christians. Most North American Christians belong to either a mainline denomination or the Roman Catholic Church. Their own faith group may teach some beliefs similar to the conservative wing of Christianity. Some beliefs are similar to that of the liberal wing. Some beliefs are intermediate between the two. We feel that it is important for persons of all faith groups (Christian and non-Christian) to understand the great diversity of Christian beliefs -- both among denominations today and throughout history. Many Christians are aware of their own denomination's current beliefs, but are unfamiliar with the history of those beliefs, or of the teachings of other denominations. ************** Doesn't sound anti-conservative to me. Sounds like a group of folks more interested in finding the truth than following a dogma. |
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Oh please! AFFLICT ME....
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Does that mean that homosexual women will actually listen to a guy? :-) Good one! Did you know that one of the mercies of nature is that older men begin developing an auditory nerve deafness that just happens to correspond with the pitch range of the average female voice? Hee haw! 'Course, the reverse is true as well, and women actually lose some hearing in the lower registers more typically associated with male speech. :-) |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John Gaquin wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message So? Are you saying the drop in marriage results from allowing gay marriage? Not specifically. I think (no data) it results from the perceived general devaluation of marriage as a solid, stable societal institution. About 50% of the marriages in this country end in divorce, and I suspect The "whatever" attitude that results in a 50% divorce rate is, imo, part of the same cultural ambivalence. I wonder how many couples actually read and think about the marriage vows they speak. I don't see it as redefinition as much as inclusion. It's a redefinition to effect an inclusion, and the question is "Why?" The central nut of public policy management is to provide the greatest good for the greatest number. Why discommode 97% of the population to the benefit of 3%? It does no harm. The fact that marriage ain't what it used to be isn't the result of homosexuality or gay marriage. It's the result of moral decay in our society. It's the result of Americans changing the social "norm" to suit their desires, rather than allowing their desires to be guided by social norms. Nonsense, tooth-boy. Assuming 97% of the population is straight, are their desires going to change because of a new definition of "couple-ness" for gays who are on the verge of spending their lives together as a household? As far as I'm concerned, if the gay couple next door wants to make their union legal, it has absolutely no effect on me. In fact, I've just made an inaccurate statement. In reality, if the gay couple wants to pay more taxes like other married people, that's their business. When my son has friends over, there's a rule here. If they're going to go into deep television vegetable mode, I reserve the right to interject one entire news program. When Bush's legislation was whacked last week, I asked 3 kids what they thought of it. Unanimous answer: A waste of time and effort when there are more important things to do in Washington. Better watch out. In three years, these intelligent kids will be ready to vote. My son: "The dickhead's trying to distract us from the fact that he wants me to get shot at when I'm 18". |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... My son: "The dickhead's trying to distract us from the fact that he wants me to get shot So it's ok that your son has a foul mouth as long as he's anti-Republican? If your son has drawn the conclusion that Bush is sending kids over to the Middle East solely because he wants them to get shot at, then perhaps you should have tuned him into the news programs 34 months ago. Oh yeah...and turn off that damned NPR. |
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