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Doug June 30th 04 04:16 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and TIA

Doug



Harry Krause June 30th 04 04:32 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Doug wrote:

Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and TIA

Doug




Where are you located, Doug? There might be a good West Marine store
near you where the manager or one of the old salts would be able to help
you out.

Doug Kanter June 30th 04 04:37 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need

for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and

TIA

Doug



Every time I walk into West Marine, I look at the kind of stuff you're
asking about and WISH my boat was big enough to need it! They have plenty of
breaker blocks & distribution panels, including small ones. Go to
www.westmarine.com. I'd also visit a marina, look at a few boats on display,
and pick up some ideas in terms of the art of wiring.



NOYB June 30th 04 05:53 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Check Boater's World first. Their prices are always cheaper unless West
Marine/Boat US is having a sale.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some

wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the

previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need

for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block

or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires

in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on

the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14

gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and

TIA

Doug



Every time I walk into West Marine, I look at the kind of stuff you're
asking about and WISH my boat was big enough to need it! They have plenty

of
breaker blocks & distribution panels, including small ones. Go to
www.westmarine.com. I'd also visit a marina, look at a few boats on

display,
and pick up some ideas in terms of the art of wiring.





Doug Kanter June 30th 04 06:19 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
If my local Boat US is any indication, the whole company should be up for
sale soon. The store's staffed with the worst amateurs I've ever seen in
retailing, including the manager.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Check Boater's World first. Their prices are always cheaper unless West
Marine/Boat US is having a sale.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some

wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the

previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a

whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I

need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing

block
or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main

wires
in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have

done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on

the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need.

It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14

gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears

and
TIA

Doug



Every time I walk into West Marine, I look at the kind of stuff you're
asking about and WISH my boat was big enough to need it! They have

plenty
of
breaker blocks & distribution panels, including small ones. Go to
www.westmarine.com. I'd also visit a marina, look at a few boats on

display,
and pick up some ideas in terms of the art of wiring.







NOYB June 30th 04 06:22 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
West Marine and the retail division of Boat US are the same company now.

By me, West Marine has more helpful employees than Boater's World. But
Boater's World beats 'em on price by quite a lot.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If my local Boat US is any indication, the whole company should be up for
sale soon. The store's staffed with the worst amateurs I've ever seen in
retailing, including the manager.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Check Boater's World first. Their prices are always cheaper unless West
Marine/Boat US is having a sale.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some

wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the

previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a

whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I

need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing

block
or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main

wires
in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have

done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing

on
the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need.

It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14

gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse
protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears

and
TIA

Doug



Every time I walk into West Marine, I look at the kind of stuff you're
asking about and WISH my boat was big enough to need it! They have

plenty
of
breaker blocks & distribution panels, including small ones. Go to
www.westmarine.com. I'd also visit a marina, look at a few boats on

display,
and pick up some ideas in terms of the art of wiring.









Harry Krause June 30th 04 06:22 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Doug Kanter wrote:
If my local Boat US is any indication, the whole company should be up for
sale soon. The store's staffed with the worst amateurs I've ever seen in
retailing, including the manager.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Check Boater's World first. Their prices are always cheaper unless West
Marine/Boat US is having a sale.



BOAT/US and Boater's World, in most locations, are staffed with clerks
who know almost nothing about boats. I used to shop at the BOAT/US
headquarters store in Alexandria, Virginia. It had one guy who was a
real boater and had knowledge of boating subjects.

Most West Marine stores have staff who know about boats.

Nobby probably gets dental patients who shop on price alone.

Doug Kanter June 30th 04 06:32 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
West Marine and the retail division of Boat US are the same company now.

By me, West Marine has more helpful employees than Boater's World. But
Boater's World beats 'em on price by quite a lot.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If my local Boat US is any indication, the whole company should be up

for
sale soon. The store's staffed with the worst amateurs I've ever seen in
retailing, including the manager.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Check Boater's World first. Their prices are always cheaper unless

West
Marine/Boat US is having a sale.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some
wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the
previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a

whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would

I
need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing

block
or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main

wires
in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I

have
done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing

on
the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I

need.
It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or

14
gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse
protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all

ears
and
TIA

Doug



Every time I walk into West Marine, I look at the kind of stuff

you're
asking about and WISH my boat was big enough to need it! They have

plenty
of
breaker blocks & distribution panels, including small ones. Go to
www.westmarine.com. I'd also visit a marina, look at a few boats on
display,
and pick up some ideas in terms of the art of wiring.











NOYB June 30th 04 07:37 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
If my local Boat US is any indication, the whole company should be up

for
sale soon. The store's staffed with the worst amateurs I've ever seen in
retailing, including the manager.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Check Boater's World first. Their prices are always cheaper unless

West
Marine/Boat US is having a sale.



BOAT/US and Boater's World, in most locations, are staffed with clerks
who know almost nothing about boats. I used to shop at the BOAT/US
headquarters store in Alexandria, Virginia. It had one guy who was a
real boater and had knowledge of boating subjects.

Most West Marine stores have staff who know about boats.


Boats, maybe. But certainly not fishing...even though they sell a lot of
fishing equipment.


There are better places to get info about boat and fishing related items
than West Marine. I took a Penn Formula 2-speed reel to West Marine to get
it spooled with new line. The guy took out his screwdriver and was ready to
take apart my reel and remove the reel spool to put on his automatic
spooling machine.

"Uh...I don't think you want to do that"

"How else do you do it?"

"This is how"...and I grabbed the reel and went to my local bait, tackle,
and rod/reel repair shop.

Nobby probably gets dental patients who shop on price alone


I'd have no patients if that were the case. I'm not the most expensive, but
I'm not in the bottom half with my fees either.

I'm perfectly willing to pay more for good service. But I don't think
"service" is an important consideration when purchasing retail boating and
fishing items. That is, as long as the store has a generous return policy.
;-)






NOYB June 30th 04 07:38 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West

Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


....and has the ritzy prices to match.




Doug Kanter June 30th 04 07:47 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West

Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and his
crew for lousy service.



NOYB June 30th 04 10:07 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference

in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West

Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for $79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager serves me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




Doug July 1st 04 03:35 AM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Thank you to all that replied!! I'll have a look around and hopefully find
something in the links that you have provided! Time to tackle the nightmare
and get this thing working properly!!

Once again, thanx!

Doug


"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need

for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system


.............. etc.



Calif Bill July 1st 04 04:42 AM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference

in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much

better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and

his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for

$79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager serves

me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




I price shop, but also look at the selection of stuff WM carries. There is
value in going somewhere that carries the parts you need, and not driving an
extra $5 and an hour of time to get it.



Calif Bill July 1st 04 04:48 AM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need

for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and

TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The 12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block. Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat. That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill



basskisser July 1st 04 11:39 AM

Fishing boat wiring
 
"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net...
"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I need

for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need. It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14 gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears and

TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The 12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block. Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat. That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill


Man, only a dumb ass would use such horrible grammar.

Doug Kanter July 1st 04 03:46 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the difference

in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much

better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and

his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for

$79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager serves

me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




At the Boat US store here, you're lucky if you can get someone to take your
money. Last visit: Ass't manager was on the phone at the service desk while
3 customers including myself waited at the cash register. We all figured she
was helping a customer. Nope. Loud enough for everyone to hear, she says,
"Look, when I took this job, I didn't think I had to be in the store
cleaning up at 11 PM, so we need to talk, or I'll find something else". The
conversation continued for 3 more minutes. Finally, a cashier appeared from
one of the aisles. Rather than come to the register, she yells "Is dey
somethin' I can help you people with?" I kid you not. One customer stayed,
two of us left. What I needed wasn't crucial.

Previous visit: Only one person at the front end - the manager. Two
customers waiting at the register. The manager was chatting with what
appeared to be an entire family. From the conversation, it was clear they
were chatting about who's going to college where. Chatting....and chatting.
Five minutes went by. I asked if there was a cashier available. He said "No,
but I'll be right with you".

I don't care how much cheaper they sell something for. I don't like asking
people to take my money. I don't expect a red carpet and a blowjob when I
walk into a store, just the acknowledgement that I have other things to do
besides cool my heels waiting until someone's done picking their nose.



NOYB July 1st 04 04:49 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Here, West Marine's 15 minutes away from Boat US, and the

difference
in
knowledge level is like night & day. I suspect it's because the

West
Marine
is directly across the street from 5 marinas and a ritzy yacht

club.


...and has the ritzy prices to match.




Fortunately, my small boat doesn't need much, so paying higher prices
occasionally doesn't dent the annual budget. I don't care HOW much

better
the prices are at Boat US. I assume the manager makes some sort of

bonus
based on the store's performance, and I'm not about to reward him and

his
crew for lousy service.


I just installed two Rule Fully Automatic 1100gph bilge pumps on my boat
last weekend. West Marine had 'em for $95. Boater's World had 'em for

$79
and change (regulare non-sale price). I don't care if the manager

serves
me
latte and polishes my shoes, I'm not paying 20% more because the

salesman
behind the counter paid more attention to me.




At the Boat US store here, you're lucky if you can get someone to take

your
money. Last visit: Ass't manager was on the phone at the service desk

while
3 customers including myself waited at the cash register. We all figured

she
was helping a customer. Nope. Loud enough for everyone to hear, she says,
"Look, when I took this job, I didn't think I had to be in the store
cleaning up at 11 PM, so we need to talk, or I'll find something else".

The
conversation continued for 3 more minutes. Finally, a cashier appeared

from
one of the aisles. Rather than come to the register, she yells "Is dey
somethin' I can help you people with?" I kid you not. One customer stayed,
two of us left. What I needed wasn't crucial.

Previous visit: Only one person at the front end - the manager. Two
customers waiting at the register. The manager was chatting with what
appeared to be an entire family. From the conversation, it was clear they
were chatting about who's going to college where. Chatting....and

chatting.
Five minutes went by. I asked if there was a cashier available. He said

"No,
but I'll be right with you".

I don't care how much cheaper they sell something for. I don't like asking
people to take my money. I don't expect a red carpet and a blowjob when I
walk into a store, just the acknowledgement that I have other things to do
besides cool my heels waiting until someone's done picking their nose.



I had a similar experience at West Marine, but it was because the two
salemen were helping the same customer spend lots of his money on expensive
electronics. What irked me is that neither one of them broke away to cash
me out. I left...leaving the pile of merchandise sitting on the counter.
When I got home, I ordered it on the internet. Shipping was free because
the bill exceeded $100 (a promotion they were running). Sometimes you
achieve the best "service" when as few people as possible are involved in a
sale.



Calif Bill July 1st 04 08:55 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

nk.net...
"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some

wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the

previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a

whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I

need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing

block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main

wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have

done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on

the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need.

It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14

gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears

and
TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The

12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if

you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue

Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block.

Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat

hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat.

That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their

own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then

the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill


Man, only a dumb ass would use such horrible grammar.


Grammar or not, I could answer the question. Now you. You could only
prove your idiocy some more.



CaptMP July 2nd 04 04:04 AM

Fishing boat wiring AND WEST/BoatUS
 
Be advised that West Marine bought the BoatUS retail business a year or so ago,
so it's really the same company. Here in The San Diego area, I always found
the BoatUS staff were MUCH better versed (for the most part...always a ding
ding in the crowd) then the West Marine clowns. In the old days.
Now it's just a K-MART for boats. Know what you need before going in the door.
They are better at selling a new radar then a replacement raw water pump!
Mike

basskisser July 2nd 04 12:25 PM

Fishing boat wiring
 
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

nk.net...
"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some

wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the

previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a

whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would I

need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing

block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main

wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I have

done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing on

the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I need.

It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or 14

gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all ears

and
TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good. The

12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then if

you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a Blue

Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal block.

Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum boat

hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my boat.

That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have their

own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and then

the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill


Man, only a dumb ass would use such horrible grammar.


Grammar or not, I could answer the question. Now you. You could only
prove your idiocy some more.


But, Bill, it was YOU that made the statement that if someone doesn't
use correct grammar in this newsgroup, they are stupid. Did you or did
you not?
Care for me to google that little gem up for you?

Doug Kanter July 2nd 04 02:30 PM

Fishing boat wiring AND WEST/BoatUS
 
Unfortunately, the marina where I bought my boat is 45 minutes away, or I'd
be shopping there once a week for little stuff. The vast majority of what
they sell in their store is cheaper than at West Marine or Boat US. Their
only nearby competition is another marina a block away. I think the public
has been thoroughly trained to believe that specialty stores are more
expensive. Too bad.

"CaptMP" wrote in message
...
Be advised that West Marine bought the BoatUS retail business a year or so

ago,
so it's really the same company. Here in The San Diego area, I always

found
the BoatUS staff were MUCH better versed (for the most part...always a

ding
ding in the crowd) then the West Marine clowns. In the old days.
Now it's just a K-MART for boats. Know what you need before going in the

door.
They are better at selling a new radar then a replacement raw water pump!
Mike




Calif Bill July 3rd 04 01:35 AM

Fishing boat wiring
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

ink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

nk.net...
"Doug" wrote in message
...
Hey group,

I just recently purchased a fishing boat and is in need of some

wiring....
It's a medium size craft, 20 foot Starcraft with decking and the

previous
owner has the wires black taped, twisted together, unfused and a

whole
array of other problems. What sort of fuse block / Splicer would

I
need
for
tying this all together to tidy things up a bit? I am running a:

Livewell
Trolling motor
Accessory plugs - 2
Bilge pump
Lights
and an electric start for the motor

This is all on a dual battery 12 volt system

I would think that there would be some sort of power distributing

block or
something where I could tie everything into where there is 2 main

wires in
and then screw the other wires into it and have them fused. I

have
done
some leg work on the net and have pretty much come up with nothing

on
the
marine sites. What I have found is waaaay in excess of what I

need.
It
seems simple enough, a block with 2 8 gauge wire in's with 12 or

14
gauge
capable brass screws for accessories to bind everything with fuse

protection
and or breakers. Anyone got any links or thoughts?? I am all

ears
and
TIA

Doug



There is a book available at Amazon. I have heard it is very good.

The
12
Volt bible. Get a Guest or Perco switch. The 1/2/off switch so you

can
shut off power when not on the boat and it is on the trailer. Then

if
you
later add a second battery, the switch is available. Then get a

Blue
Sea
fuse panel. WM, etc. carry it. Has both fuses and a terminal

block.
Run a
separate ground wire of sufficient size. Do not use the aluminum

boat
hull
as the ground return. You may find extra holes in the boat from
electrolysis. I also run a terminal block under the dash on my

boat.
That
way I can hook up dash electronics neatly. And most of these have

their
own
fuse. So the dash TB is fused at the back by the batteries, and

then
the
local electronics are fused locally.
Bill

Man, only a dumb ass would use such horrible grammar.


Grammar or not, I could answer the question. Now you. You could only
prove your idiocy some more.


But, Bill, it was YOU that made the statement that if someone doesn't
use correct grammar in this newsgroup, they are stupid. Did you or did
you not?
Care for me to google that little gem up for you?


Sure. google up the post, and remember to leave in the part where it most
likely was a reply to your idiocy.



Marshall Banana July 3rd 04 06:41 AM

Fishing boat wiring
 
Also Sprach Harry Krause :

BOAT/US and Boater's World, in most locations, are staffed with clerks
who know almost nothing about boats. I used to shop at the BOAT/US
headquarters store in Alexandria, Virginia. It had one guy who was a
real boater and had knowledge of boating subjects.


Most West Marine stores have staff who know about boats.


Have to disagree, in N. Seattle at least. Our West Marine is staffed
mostly by 17-18 yr old girls. Nice eye candy, but they don't know a damn
thing. Our Boaters World store is staffed mosly by middle aged
guys. Not pretty to look at, most are a bit portly and balding, but all
are experienced boaters. One of the guys only works there in the
winter, in the summer he runs a charter and guide business in
Alaska. Also, Boater's World helps out local fishing club by donating
items for our monthly raffle. Not cheap crap either, I won a hundred
dollar inflatable PFD a few months ago. For years, they've supported our
local fishing newspaper with a full-page ad, which West Marine has never
done.

The price differences can be huge. I needed a water pump kit for my
outboard, West wanted $65, Boater's World had it for $39.

Dan

--
When the world bites, there's no antidote.

-- The Gothic Archies


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