( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

According to news reports, a draft of a March 2003 memo on interrogation
methods by Pentagon lawyers advised U.S. government officials to disregard
the Geneva Conventions and the Army's own Field Manual for intelligence
interrogation
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...m34-52/index.h
tml) , after "commanders at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, complained in late 2002
that with conventional methods
(http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...?mod=home_what
s_news_us) they weren't getting enough information from prisoners." A team
of administration lawyers concluded in the draft prepared for Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "that President Bush was not bound
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/po...08ABUS.html?hp) by either an
international treaty prohibiting torture or by a federal anti-torture law
because he had the authority as commander in chief to approve any technique
needed to protect the nation's security." The contents of the draft,
obtained by the WSJ, calls into question administration claims
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040505-2.html) about
Abu Ghraib (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989422/) , and suggest methods used
there may have been sanctioned by the White House at the highest levels.

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:58:07 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


According to news reports, a draft of a March 2003 memo on interrogation
methods by Pentagon lawyers advised U.S. government officials to disregard
the Geneva Conventions and the Army's own Field Manual for intelligence
interrogation
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...m34-52/index.h
tml) , after "commanders at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, complained in late 2002
that with conventional methods
(http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...?mod=home_what
s_news_us) they weren't getting enough information from prisoners." A team
of administration lawyers concluded in the draft prepared for Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "that President Bush was not bound
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/po...08ABUS.html?hp) by either an
international treaty prohibiting torture or by a federal anti-torture law
because he had the authority as commander in chief to approve any technique
needed to protect the nation's security." The contents of the draft,
obtained by the WSJ, calls into question administration claims
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040505-2.html) about
Abu Ghraib (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989422/) , and suggest methods used
there may have been sanctioned by the White House at the highest levels.


"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you agree?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

Perhaps they should use BOATS to torture them?


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:58:07 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


According to news reports, a draft of a March 2003 memo on interrogation
methods by Pentagon lawyers advised U.S. government officials to
disregard
the Geneva Conventions and the Army's own Field Manual for intelligence
interrogation

(http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell.../fm34-52/index.
h
tml) , after "commanders at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, complained in late
2002
that with conventional methods

(http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...l?mod=home_wha
t
s_news_us) they weren't getting enough information from prisoners." A
team
of administration lawyers concluded in the draft prepared for Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "that President Bush was not bound
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/po...08ABUS.html?hp) by either an
international treaty prohibiting torture or by a federal anti-torture law
because he had the authority as commander in chief to approve any
technique
needed to protect the nation's security." The contents of the draft,
obtained by the WSJ, calls into question administration claims
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040505-2.html) about
Abu Ghraib (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989422/) , and suggest methods used
there may have been sanctioned by the White House at the highest levels.


"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you
agree?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

John H wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:58:07 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


According to news reports, a draft of a March 2003 memo on interrogation
methods by Pentagon lawyers advised U.S. government officials to disregard
the Geneva Conventions and the Army's own Field Manual for intelligence
interrogation
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...m34-52/index.h
tml) , after "commanders at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, complained in late 2002
that with conventional methods
(http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...?mod=home_what
s_news_us) they weren't getting enough information from prisoners." A team
of administration lawyers concluded in the draft prepared for Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "that President Bush was not bound
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/po...08ABUS.html?hp) by either an
international treaty prohibiting torture or by a federal anti-torture law
because he had the authority as commander in chief to approve any technique
needed to protect the nation's security." The contents of the draft,
obtained by the WSJ, calls into question administration claims
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040505-2.html) about
Abu Ghraib (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989422/) , and suggest methods used
there may have been sanctioned by the White House at the highest levels.


"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you agree?

John H

If that is so, and what they've done is above board, then why is
Ashcroft so afraid to release those two memoranda?

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you
agree?

John H

Why are you suggesting the terms may have been overused? :-)

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

On 09 Jun 2004 16:49:30 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you
agree?

John H

Why are you suggesting the terms may have been overused? :-)


Because of the frequency with which the terms are used to 'imply' a behavior or
knowledge that cannot be substantiated. Please don't ask for examples.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you
agree?

John H

Why are you suggesting the terms may have been overused? :-)


Because of the frequency with which the terms are used to 'imply' a behavior
or
knowledge that cannot be substantiated. Please don't ask for examples.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


WHOOSH! :-)

( OT ) Memo Legitimizes Torture, Puts President Above Law
 

On 09 Jun 2004 17:04:23 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

"Suggest" and "may have" are somewhat overused by liberals, wouldn't you
agree?

John H

Why are you suggesting the terms may have been overused? :-)


Because of the frequency with which the terms are used to 'imply' a behavior
or
knowledge that cannot be substantiated. Please don't ask for examples.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


WHOOSH! :-)

You're right, that one just sailed on by! I really wasn't suggesting, though. I
was stating a fact.


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!