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Bob September 11th 05 12:28 AM

Bush's pals get New Orleans reconstruction contracts
 
It's amazing how Bush first screwed things up and NOW his buddies are
profiting:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/...eut/index.html

Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are
clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction
contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.


At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's
former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency,
have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast.


One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg
Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton


jesus CHRIST is there ANYTHING bush won't use to his political
advantage? what's next? you can only buy body bags from white house
approved suppliers?

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John Gaquin September 11th 05 04:07 AM


"Bob" wrote in message

One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg
Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of
Halliburton


jesus CHRIST is there ANYTHING bush won't use to his political
advantage? what's next? you can only buy body bags from white house
approved suppliers?


Let's review: they expedited the process, and tapped the best in the
business to start the recovery right now.

What would you suggest? Perhaps a nine-month competitive bidding process,
with Congressional oversight to ensure that at least 19% of the contracts go
to minority owned firms, regardless of qualification? Yuh, that would work
good!!



thunder September 11th 05 05:09 AM

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:29:04 +0000, OlBlueEyes wrote:


HAL/KBR are the best in the business at what they do. They completed
their contracts following the first Iraq war ahead of schedule and under
budget.


Help me out here, how does one come in under budget on a cost plus
contract?



When it's taxpayer money at stake, "better, cheaper, quicker" ends the
debate for me.



thunder September 11th 05 05:19 AM

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:07:59 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:


Let's review: they expedited the process, and tapped the best in the
business to start the recovery right now.

What would you suggest? Perhaps a nine-month competitive bidding process,
with Congressional oversight to ensure that at least 19% of the contracts
go to minority owned firms, regardless of qualification? Yuh, that would
work good!!


Damn, and all these years I thought competition was the root of capitalism
strength.

John Gaquin September 11th 05 02:19 PM


"thunder" wrote in message

Damn, and all these years I thought competition was the root of capitalism
strength.


Generally speaking, it is; but in extreme scenarios there are compelling
reasons to make the process move quickly by overriding the bid procedure.

Of course, you already knew this.



Tim September 12th 05 01:05 PM

Damn, and all these years I thought competition was the root of
capitalism
strength.


hmmm, I suppose they could have let Burger King bid on it.


[email protected] September 12th 05 01:44 PM


OlBlueEyes wrote:
They completed
their contracts following the first Iraq war ahead of schedule and under
budget.



Sheesh, you're stupid!!!! Haliburton's contract was COST PLUS! So, how
could it possibly be under budget????

When it's taxpayer money at stake, "better, cheaper, quicker" ends the
debate for me.


Again, cost plus project, so how was it cheaper?


PocoLoco September 12th 05 04:04 PM

On 12 Sep 2005 05:44:19 -0700, wrote:


OlBlueEyes wrote:
They completed
their contracts following the first Iraq war ahead of schedule and under
budget.



Sheesh, you're stupid!!!! Haliburton's contract was COST PLUS! So, how
could it possibly be under budget????

When it's taxpayer money at stake, "better, cheaper, quicker" ends the
debate for me.


Again, cost plus project, so how was it cheaper?


BTW, how much did you pay for your Moto Guzzi 'Desmo'? It must be quite valuable
now.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Eisboch September 13th 05 12:47 AM


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
...

Sometimes Harry, it isn't even worth discussing with you.

You missed the point entirely.


Tom, now you understand why I infrequently visit this newsgroup. I like
Harry and have enjoyed many discussions, laughs and debates with him. But,
he has developed a myopic viewpoint and obsession since Bush became POTUS
and it gets under your skin sometimes. Politics is politics and does not
belong in a boating newsgroup.

But, I'd still buy him a beer.

Eisboch





Eisboch September 13th 05 01:26 AM


Harry Krause wrote in message
...




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.



Red Stripe? I'll hafta to look for that. I'm a Sam Adams guy myself, even
named our new family member, a black Lab puppy, "Samuel Adams".

Anyway, I'll find the Red Stripe and have it cold in the event you every get
up this way, or down that way during the winter.

Eisboch



Starbuck's September 13th 05 01:27 AM

Harry,
That was not a complement.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
...
Sometimes Harry, it isn't even worth discussing with you.

You missed the point entirely.


Tom, now you understand why I infrequently visit this newsgroup. I like
Harry and have enjoyed many discussions, laughs and debates with him.
But,
he has developed a myopic viewpoint and obsession since Bush became POTUS
and it gets under your skin sometimes. Politics is politics and does not
belong in a boating newsgroup.

But, I'd still buy him a beer.

Eisboch




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.


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Bert Robbins September 13th 05 01:30 AM


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote in message
...




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.



Red Stripe? I'll hafta to look for that. I'm a Sam Adams guy myself,
even
named our new family member, a black Lab puppy, "Samuel Adams".

Anyway, I'll find the Red Stripe and have it cold in the event you every
get
up this way, or down that way during the winter.


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Starbuck's September 13th 05 01:32 AM

Sam Adams has gone well beyond being a micro brewer, but they have managed
to keep a quality beer with flavor.

Except for some of the real micro brewers who truly brew specialty beers) I
find Sam Adams one of the better beers on the market.


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote in message
...




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.



Red Stripe? I'll hafta to look for that. I'm a Sam Adams guy myself,
even
named our new family member, a black Lab puppy, "Samuel Adams".

Anyway, I'll find the Red Stripe and have it cold in the event you every
get
up this way, or down that way during the winter.

Eisboch





Bert Robbins September 13th 05 01:34 AM


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:30:58 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote in message
...




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.



Red Stripe? I'll hafta to look for that. I'm a Sam Adams guy myself,
even
named our new family member, a black Lab puppy, "Samuel Adams".

Anyway, I'll find the Red Stripe and have it cold in the event you every
get
up this way, or down that way during the winter.


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?


Harry's?


Nope!



Eisboch September 13th 05 01:38 AM


Starbuck's wrote in message
...


Except for some of the real micro brewers who truly brew specialty beers)

I
find Sam Adams one of the better beers on the market.



Yabut ...

Are you a Republican or a Democrat?

Eisboch




Eisboch September 13th 05 01:50 AM


Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.

Eisboch



Bert Robbins September 13th 05 02:03 AM


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.


It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.




Starbuck's September 13th 05 02:34 AM

Eisboch,

Neither . ; )

I have found some great pubs with a wide variety of draft beers made by real
microbrewers. If I am at the average bar, Sam Adams is normally available,
the Lager has a decent hoppy flavor.

If you ever get a chance to taste Sam Adams XXX Bock, it has a great taste.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Starbuck's wrote in message
...


Except for some of the real micro brewers who truly brew specialty beers)

I
find Sam Adams one of the better beers on the market.



Yabut ...

Are you a Republican or a Democrat?

Eisboch






Starbuck's September 13th 05 02:35 AM

PS - I tried the Sam Adams Light, and it might have better flavor than the
average light, but it still taste like a light.


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Starbuck's wrote in message
...


Except for some of the real micro brewers who truly brew specialty beers)

I
find Sam Adams one of the better beers on the market.



Yabut ...

Are you a Republican or a Democrat?

Eisboch






Starbuck's September 13th 05 02:36 AM

Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.


It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.






Bert Robbins September 13th 05 02:48 AM

We have a winner!

Now, why is Paul Revere's fact on Sam Adams?


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.


It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.








Bert Robbins September 13th 05 02:54 AM

Not fact, face!

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
We have a winner!

Now, why is Paul Revere's fact on Sam Adams?


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading
glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.

It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.










Tim September 13th 05 03:28 AM

Politically I don't agree with Harry, and although I'm not an alcohol
drinker, but I'd do a 7 up or Pepsi with Harry any day!



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Eisboch wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
...
Sometimes Harry, it isn't even worth discussing with you.


You missed the point entirely.



Tom, now you understand why I infrequently visit this newsgroup. I like
Harry and have enjoyed many discussions, laughs and debates with him. But,
he has developed a myopic viewpoint and obsession since Bush became POTUS
and it gets under your skin sometimes. Politics is politics and does not
belong in a boating newsgroup.



But, I'd still buy him a beer.



Eisboch




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.

--


Starbuck's September 13th 05 04:14 AM

Paul Revere was a silversmith who loved to brew beer?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
We have a winner!

Now, why is Paul Revere's fact on Sam Adams?


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading
glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.

It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.










Bert Robbins September 13th 05 04:15 AM

No. If they put Sm's picture on the label then they wouldn't sell any beer!

"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere was a silversmith who loved to brew beer?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
We have a winner!

Now, why is Paul Revere's fact on Sam Adams?


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading
glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.

It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.












Starbuck's September 13th 05 04:16 AM

I can think of many things I would prefer to do than have a beer with Harry.
I could wax my car, clean the sink traps, or have my nails pulled out by
the roots, they all would be more enjoyable. ; )




"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...
Politically I don't agree with Harry, and although I'm not an alcohol
drinker, but I'd do a 7 up or Pepsi with Harry any day!



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Eisboch wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote in message
...
Sometimes Harry, it isn't even worth discussing with you.


You missed the point entirely.



Tom, now you understand why I infrequently visit this newsgroup. I like
Harry and have enjoyed many discussions, laughs and debates with him.
But,
he has developed a myopic viewpoint and obsession since Bush became POTUS
and it gets under your skin sometimes. Politics is politics and does not
belong in a boating newsgroup.



But, I'd still buy him a beer.



Eisboch




Why thank you. My current brand is Red Stripe, but I won't turn down a
Corona or a Montelo.

--




Starbuck's September 13th 05 04:18 AM

I had to check it out to see how ugly ole Sam was. Here is a great portrait
of Sam.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration...rs/adams_s.htm



"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
No. If they put Sm's picture on the label then they wouldn't sell any
beer!

"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere was a silversmith who loved to brew beer?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
We have a winner!

Now, why is Paul Revere's fact on Sam Adams?


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but I
can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading
glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.

It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.














Starbuck's September 13th 05 04:22 AM

http://mag.rochester.edu/learn/teach...pleyRevere.jpg

This is a picture of Paul Revere.


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
I had to check it out to see how ugly ole Sam was. Here is a great
portrait of Sam.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration...rs/adams_s.htm



"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
No. If they put Sm's picture on the label then they wouldn't sell any
beer!

"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere was a silversmith who loved to brew beer?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
We have a winner!

Now, why is Paul Revere's fact on Sam Adams?


"Starbuck's" wrote in message
...
Paul Revere?


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote in message
...


Whose picture is on the Sam Adams bottles?



Ya had to ask, huh?

I just ran downstairs and grabbed a bottle. I see the picture, but
I can't
read the writing beside it (can't find my 1.50 diopter reading
glasses).

I *do* remember reading however, that Samuel Adams beer is of German
origin.
The people that started the microbrewery years ago used a reciepe
transported to New England by a German brewmaster and found by his
decendents in a trunk stored in an attic.

Sounds good, anyway.

It is a Bostonian of the same era as Sam.

















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