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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... http://www.rc4systems.net/albums/alb...es_excuses.jpg http://tinypic.com/ddc2df http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957 http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisi...sianaMandatory evacuation ordered for New Orleans8/28/2005, 10:48 a.m. CTThe Associated PressNEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, amandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists,would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort forpeople to go, including the Superdome.The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave thecity should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlineshad already cancelled all flights.Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, saidPresident Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation forthe low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why did it take President of the United States to convince Gov. Blanco andMayor Nagin that a mandatory evacuation was a good idea?If Bush hadn't called, imagine how many more would have died. At least 80%were able to get out. |
Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so
corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! |
"Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. |
Mule wrote: Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! Uh, the levies fall under the United States Army Corp of Engineers. |
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NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? |
On 7 Sep 2005 11:30:57 -0700, wrote:
NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? The Corps is not responsible for all levees. http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0905/090105jv1.htm When are you going to show us a picture of your Guzzi 'Desmo'? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
BK,
I wish you would post your link of the Moto Guzzi 'Desmo' data, you sure could make JohnH look foolish when you do. ; ) wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? |
wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? You mean Stadium Naples? That happened a year or two before I got here. One of the current county commissioners lives 3 doors down from me, and he's nothing like that POS Norris who was involved in Stadium Naples. |
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:42:30 -0400, "Starbucks"
wrote: BK, I wish you would post your link of the Moto Guzzi 'Desmo' data, you sure could make JohnH look foolish when you do. ; ) wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? You are so right! I'd have to be a man and apologize! BTW, since bk will probably not stick his head up again, I'll post this job description URL here. It is for Levee Board Personnel. Now, if only the Corps had any authority the levees, one would wonder why a Levee Board existed outside the Corps. No? http://www.dscs.state.la.us/ClassPay...ecs/129370.HTM [Extract: State of Louisiana Department of Civil Service H3 OA 6/3/86 129370 ORLEANS LEVEE BOARD OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FUNCTION OF WORK: To assist in the planning, implementation and coordination of the comprehensive program of maintenance operations on all sites and properties of the Orleans Levee Board. (OLB) ] -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
JohnH,
There is lots of blame to spread around to all governmental agencies. The section of the levee that broke, was one of the few sections that had been upgraded to the new standard, that was supposed to hold up to a direct hit from a hurricane. I would assume people will be asking why it failed. "PocoLoco" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:42:30 -0400, "Starbucks" wrote: BK, I wish you would post your link of the Moto Guzzi 'Desmo' data, you sure could make JohnH look foolish when you do. ; ) wrote in message roups.com... NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? You are so right! I'd have to be a man and apologize! BTW, since bk will probably not stick his head up again, I'll post this job description URL here. It is for Levee Board Personnel. Now, if only the Corps had any authority the levees, one would wonder why a Levee Board existed outside the Corps. No? http://www.dscs.state.la.us/ClassPay...ecs/129370.HTM [Extract: State of Louisiana Department of Civil Service H3 OA 6/3/86 129370 ORLEANS LEVEE BOARD OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FUNCTION OF WORK: To assist in the planning, implementation and coordination of the comprehensive program of maintenance operations on all sites and properties of the Orleans Levee Board. (OLB) ] -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:47:22 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:42:30 -0400, "Starbucks" wrote: BK, I wish you would post your link of the Moto Guzzi 'Desmo' data, you sure could make JohnH look foolish when you do. ; ) wrote in message roups.com... NOYB wrote: "Mule" wrote in message oups.com... Because the officials of the city of New Orleans and state of LA are so corrupt the only thing they know is how to siphon off moneys that had been given by the feds for fixing the levy system and instead use it on things like a new mardi grass fountain! Did you know that the city of New Orleans has a different committee for each separate levy? Talk about government waste! If and when that city is rebuilt, the people who move there will hopefully be more selective in their selection of elected officials. Kind of like the Naples stadium debacle? You are so right! I'd have to be a man and apologize! BTW, since bk will probably not stick his head up again, I'll post this job description URL here. It is for Levee Board Personnel. Now, if only the Corps had any authority the levees, one would wonder why a Levee Board existed outside the Corps. No? http://www.dscs.state.la.us/ClassPay...ecs/129370.HTM [Extract: State of Louisiana Department of Civil Service H3 OA 6/3/86 129370 ORLEANS LEVEE BOARD OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FUNCTION OF WORK: To assist in the planning, implementation and coordination of the comprehensive program of maintenance operations on all sites and properties of the Orleans Levee Board. (OLB) ] PS: I wonder what the Director's job description was? If this guy just helped him, then that board must be responsible for the planning, implementation, and etc... the maintenance operations. You don't suppose the lack of 'maintenance operations', for which this board was responsible, had anything to do with the failure, do you? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:09:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
http://www.rc4systems.net/albums/alb...es_excuses.jpg http://tinypic.com/ddc2df http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957 Are you selling the t-shirts? If not, do you know who is? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Starbucks" wrote in message ... JohnH, There is lots of blame to spread around to all governmental agencies. The section of the levee that broke, was one of the few sections that had been upgraded to the new standard, that was supposed to hold up to a direct hit from a hurricane. I would assume people will be asking why it failed. It was engineered and built with the best known data at the time. However, the build had never been tested in real life. Now it has and has shown to be inadequate. Back to the drawing boards. This failure, however, will help in future designs. |
Thunder,
Is New Orleans considered a wetland? "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:37:44 -0400, PocoLoco wrote: The Corps is not responsible for all levees. http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0905/090105jv1.htm If the levees are involving wetlands, they are. http://ceres.ca.gov/wetlands/agencies/army_corps.html |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:50:10 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:37:44 -0400, PocoLoco wrote: The Corps is not responsible for all levees. http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0905/090105jv1.htm If the levees are involving wetlands, they are. http://ceres.ca.gov/wetlands/agencies/army_corps.html What do you reckon the Orleans Levee Control Board does? Is Lake Ponchatrain considered a wetland? Is the Mississippi River? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:58:45 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:
What do you reckon the Orleans Levee Control Board does? Is Lake Ponchatrain considered a wetland? Is the Mississippi River? "The Army Corps' regulatory authority is contained within §404 of the CWA. Army Corps jurisdiction is over "waters of the United States" which is defined at 33 Code of Federal Regulations 328.3 as (1) all navigable waters and their tributaries; (2) all interstate waters and their tributaries; (3) all other waters, the use, degradation, or destruction of which could affect interstate commerce; (4) all water impoundments; (5) territorial seas; and (6) wetland adjacent to waters identified above." |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:52:29 -0400, Starbucks wrote:
Thunder, Is New Orleans considered a wetland? "The Army Corps' regulatory authority is contained within §404 of the CWA. Army Corps jurisdiction is over "waters of the United States" which is defined at 33 Code of Federal Regulations 328.3 as (1) all navigable waters and their tributaries; (2) all interstate waters and their tributaries; (3) all other waters, the use, degradation, or destruction of which could affect interstate commerce; (4) all water impoundments; (5) territorial seas; and (6) wetland adjacent to waters identified above." From: http://ceres.ca.gov/wetlands/agencies/army_corps.html |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:20:29 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:58:45 -0400, PocoLoco wrote: What do you reckon the Orleans Levee Control Board does? Is Lake Ponchatrain considered a wetland? Is the Mississippi River? "The Army Corps' regulatory authority is contained within §404 of the CWA. Army Corps jurisdiction is over "waters of the United States" which is defined at 33 Code of Federal Regulations 328.3 as (1) all navigable waters and their tributaries; (2) all interstate waters and their tributaries; (3) all other waters, the use, degradation, or destruction of which could affect interstate commerce; (4) all water impoundments; (5) territorial seas; and (6) wetland adjacent to waters identified above." Now I'm really wondering about Lake P. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Starbucks" wrote in message ... Thunder, Is New Orleans considered a wetland? They are now. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:52:29 -0400, Starbucks wrote: Thunder, Is New Orleans considered a wetland? "The Army Corps' regulatory authority is contained within §404 of the CWA. Army Corps jurisdiction is over "waters of the United States" which is defined at 33 Code of Federal Regulations 328.3 as (1) all navigable waters and their tributaries; (2) all interstate waters and their tributaries; (3) all other waters, the use, degradation, or destruction of which could affect interstate commerce; (4) all water impoundments; (5) territorial seas; and (6) wetland adjacent to waters identified above." From: http://ceres.ca.gov/wetlands/agencies/army_corps.html That is regulatory authority. Where does it say they have to build all the levees. Here in the Sacramento River Delta, there are taxation districts for levee construction and maintenance. And the Sac is a very navigable waterway. |
Thunder,
I thought the question was "Is the Corp of Engineers responsible for all levees along the Mississippi." The only thing I can see in your answer that might apply to that question is that the C of E is responsible for "all water impoundments". My understand of "water impoundments" is that a levee might be considered a "water impoundment" if it is used as a dam (i.e. to preserve or create a wetland) but would not be considered a "water impoundment" if it was used to prevent the river from overflowing it's banks. So I still have not figured out if the C of E is responsible for all levees along the Mississippi, including the levees around NO. "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:52:29 -0400, Starbucks wrote: Thunder, Is New Orleans considered a wetland? "The Army Corps' regulatory authority is contained within §404 of the CWA. Army Corps jurisdiction is over "waters of the United States" which is defined at 33 Code of Federal Regulations 328.3 as (1) all navigable waters and their tributaries; (2) all interstate waters and their tributaries; (3) all other waters, the use, degradation, or destruction of which could affect interstate commerce; (4) all water impoundments; (5) territorial seas; and (6) wetland adjacent to waters identified above." From: http://ceres.ca.gov/wetlands/agencies/army_corps.html |
I wonder if the Wetland Preservation Act will require that NO remains a
wetland. ; ) "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Starbucks" wrote in message ... Thunder, Is New Orleans considered a wetland? They are now. |
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