"William Bruce" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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William Bruce wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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William Bruce wrote:
You can be sure they are salivating in the Halliburton board room...
Tell you what, Krause. You prove to "the reasonable man standard"
that you
are currently housing seven Katrina refugees (a claim you made is a
recent post) and that your wife is a medical
doctor and I'll overnight a certified check for $1,000 to the Katrina
charity of your choice. Forget about proving all the other claims you
have
made on this newsgroup. Just prove these two and let me have the
address of
your charity of choice.

William Bruce



You need an incentive to make a donation to, say, the Salvation Army?
Lowlife.

How 'bout it Krause? I'll even make the donation in your name. All you
have to do is prove two simple claims that you have make he (1) that
you are currently housing seven Katrina refugees, and (2) that your wife
is a medical doctor. Forget about all the other claims. Prove those
two things and my certified check for $1,000 will be overnighted to the
Katrina charity of your choice.

William Bruce


I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

If you have a grand to spare, you ought to send it to the Salvation Army,
or something like that.

So you're unwilling to prove that (1) you are currently housing seven
Katrina refugees and (1) your wife is an MD for the sake of a $1,000
donation to the Salvation Army?


Krause is nothing but a flat out liar. Accept that a the gospel truth.

I offered this bet with him: I would fly out at my expense any time, any
date to meet with him in order to show proof of ownership of a 36 foot
lobster style boat. I was willing to put up $20,000 through an escrow
service and asked that he did the same.

If he indeed owned such a boat it was a quick $20,000 for him.

The result: Basically the same response he gave to you on your bet with
him. He squirmed out of it with insults and excuses.

Harry Krause is a sick, bitter old man who lives a fantasy life through this
NG. He desperately needs psychiatric help and I hope he someday finds it.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"William Bruce" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
You can be sure they are salivating in the Halliburton board
room...
Tell you what, Krause. You prove to "the reasonable man standard"
that you
are currently housing seven Katrina refugees (a claim you made is a
recent post) and that your wife is a medical
doctor and I'll overnight a certified check for $1,000 to the
Katrina
charity of your choice. Forget about proving all the other claims
you have
made on this newsgroup. Just prove these two and let me have the
address of
your charity of choice.

William Bruce



You need an incentive to make a donation to, say, the Salvation
Army?
Lowlife.
How 'bout it Krause? I'll even make the donation in your name. All
you have to do is prove two simple claims that you have make he (1)
that you are currently housing seven Katrina refugees, and (2) that
your wife is a medical doctor. Forget about all the other claims.
Prove those two things and my certified check for $1,000 will be
overnighted to the Katrina charity of your choice.

William Bruce

I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

If you have a grand to spare, you ought to send it to the Salvation
Army, or something like that.
So you're unwilling to prove that (1) you are currently housing seven
Katrina refugees and (1) your wife is an MD for the sake of a $1,000
donation to the Salvation Army?


Krause is nothing but a flat out liar. Accept that a the gospel truth.

I offered this bet with him:


It doesn't matter. I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

Krause, you pathetic *******. You will not prove the statements because you
cannot prove them. Period.
Everyone know you're nothing but a weasel.

"William Bruce" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"William Bruce" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
You can be sure they are salivating in the Halliburton board
room...
Tell you what, Krause. You prove to "the reasonable man standard"
that you
are currently housing seven Katrina refugees (a claim you made is a
recent post) and that your wife is a medical
doctor and I'll overnight a certified check for $1,000 to the
Katrina
charity of your choice. Forget about proving all the other claims
you have
made on this newsgroup. Just prove these two and let me have the
address of
your charity of choice.

William Bruce



You need an incentive to make a donation to, say, the Salvation
Army?
Lowlife.
How 'bout it Krause? I'll even make the donation in your name. All
you have to do is prove two simple claims that you have make he
(1) that you are currently housing seven Katrina refugees, and (2)
that your wife is a medical doctor. Forget about all the other
claims. Prove those two things and my certified check for $1,000 will
be overnighted to the Katrina charity of your choice.

William Bruce

I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

If you have a grand to spare, you ought to send it to the Salvation
Army, or something like that.
So you're unwilling to prove that (1) you are currently housing seven
Katrina refugees and (1) your wife is an MD for the sake of a $1,000
donation to the Salvation Army?


Krause is nothing but a flat out liar. Accept that a the gospel truth.

I offered this bet with him:


It doesn't matter. I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

Krause, you pathetic *******. You will not prove the statements because
you cannot prove them. Period.
Everyone know you're nothing but a weasel.


Funny that he deleted most of my post in his reply to you...but I can
understand why he would not want the truth about him to be posted.

No problem...here is it again Krause:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Harry Krause is nothing but a flat out liar. Accept that a the gospel
truth.

I offered this bet with him: I would fly out at my expense any time, any
date to meet with him in order to show proof of ownership of a 36 foot
lobster style boat. I was willing to put up $20,000 through an escrow
service and asked that he did the same.

If he indeed owned such a boat it was a quick $20,000 for him.

The result: Basically the same response he gave to you on your bet with
him. He squirmed out of it with insults and excuses.

Harry Krause is a sick, bitter old man who lives a fantasy life through this
NG. He desperately needs psychiatric help and I hope he someday finds it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Make your own judgment of the pathetic old fart.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:18:46 -0500, "William Bruce"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"William Bruce" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
William Bruce wrote:
You can be sure they are salivating in the Halliburton board
room...
Tell you what, Krause. You prove to "the reasonable man standard"
that you
are currently housing seven Katrina refugees (a claim you made is a
recent post) and that your wife is a medical
doctor and I'll overnight a certified check for $1,000 to the
Katrina
charity of your choice. Forget about proving all the other claims
you have
made on this newsgroup. Just prove these two and let me have the
address of
your charity of choice.

William Bruce



You need an incentive to make a donation to, say, the Salvation
Army?
Lowlife.
How 'bout it Krause? I'll even make the donation in your name. All
you have to do is prove two simple claims that you have make he (1)
that you are currently housing seven Katrina refugees, and (2) that
your wife is a medical doctor. Forget about all the other claims.
Prove those two things and my certified check for $1,000 will be
overnighted to the Katrina charity of your choice.

William Bruce

I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

If you have a grand to spare, you ought to send it to the Salvation
Army, or something like that.
So you're unwilling to prove that (1) you are currently housing seven
Katrina refugees and (1) your wife is an MD for the sake of a $1,000
donation to the Salvation Army?


Krause is nothing but a flat out liar. Accept that a the gospel truth.

I offered this bet with him:


It doesn't matter. I don't play footsie with right-wing scumbags.

Krause, you pathetic *******. You will not prove the statements because you
cannot prove them. Period.
Everyone know you're nothing but a weasel.


Stop insulting weasels.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:29:34 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

.....care more about finger pointing and making this hurricane disaster
political in nature than trying to offer help (financial or otherwise) I
have this to say to you:

Shame on you.

Generally, I agree with you. However, this news.... news of how the
Corp of Engineers and the USCG have been ridiculously under funded has
often been repeated here. This is the concrete proof that some of us
have dreaded, but predicted.

I can only imagine that if I had lost a loved one in this disaster, I
would be VERY vocal with respect to money diverted away from the
defense and protection of American Citizens within the continental
borders.... and I don't think I'd be too selective about who helped me
be heard.

Politics aside, any representative of government that allows the
American commercial shipping lanes to silt up, crucial infrastructure,
(such as the oil supply) to be unprotected, and the USGC (who has
plucked literally thousands of people from the flood waters) to leave
port in rusting and leaky ships is, IMHO, criminally negligent and
guilty of dereliction of duty.

In time, I suspect that we'll find that funds were spent for pork or
the wrong thing and the levees went unfinished, low-ball contracts
bought poor capacity and quality pumping apparatus, and that
engineering studies were not funded that would have mapped the future
projects to enhance protection of the "oil coast" region.

Another matter seems to be the inability of FEMA to give adequate
help. If this is the best they can do at home, what sort of help did
the tsunami victims *really* get? I started out pretty disgusted with
our inability to guard our own borders now this seems to point out
that we *REALLY* need to get our house in order.... and I don't care
*WHICH* political party does it...... BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

Maybe we SHOULD strike while the iron is hot. All I know is that, as a
nation, we can do one hell of a lot better than this.

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Gene, I agree yet disagree.

The first priority is to unite in the relief and recovery effort. No amount
of finger pointing will contribute to those efforts.

Once the situation is under control and the dead are recovered then the
blame game should begin. Until then it serves no purpose.

And yes, we will find fault at the local, regional, State and Federal levels
and folks must be held responsible for their lack of action or ineptness.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:44:58 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:




Gene, I agree yet disagree.

The first priority is to unite in the relief and recovery effort. No
amount
of finger pointing will contribute to those efforts.


Agreed.

Once the situation is under control and the dead are recovered then the
blame game should begin. Until then it serves no purpose.


Not necessarily.... those of us too far removed geographically to
help... other than a financial contribution, should be free and
willing to discuss what went wrong.

And yes, we will find fault at the local, regional, State and Federal
levels
and folks must be held responsible for their lack of action or ineptness.

Clearly, most of the blame belongs at the Federal Level.... as they
were the ones who over the course of time failed to act on their own
data. FEMA had already warned.. in sufficient time.... that a
hurricane striking New Orleans was the third most likely disaster to
befall the US..... forewarned SHOULD have been forearmed.

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Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Since the blame game is once again brought up...........

Clearly, most of the blame belongs at the personal level....if folks did not
have the sense to get out with a predicted Cat 5 heading down on them, shame
on them. The Federal Govt. is not responsible for that. No government can
protect you from danger....*you* must take responsibility for *your* safety.

The next level of blame lies with the Mayor of New Orleans.....he had plenty
of warning and had the resources to order the folks out of the city....for
those not having cars or other means to get out he had a fleet of school and
city buses/vehicles at his disposal. No evacuation plans for a city
sitting 20 feet below sea level and subject to a direct his from a Cat 5
hurricane.

The next level of blame lies with the Governor of Louisiana.....again she
had plenty of warning about this storm and should have formulated an
emergency plan for the State.

The next level of blame lies with the previous Administrations. As Tom
previously posted the warnings were posted yet funding was not provided to
address the flooding and hurricane exposures in the 1990's.

Now we can blame the Federal government....yep they were slow to react. Yet
their hands may have been tied.

As I have said all along let's stop with the blame game for now.....it
serves no purpose.....plenty of time for it after this disaster is under
control.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:08:41 -0400, *JimH* wrote:


The next level of blame lies with the previous Administrations. As Tom
previously posted the warnings were posted yet funding was not provided to
address the flooding and hurricane exposures in the 1990's.

Now we can blame the Federal government....yep they were slow to react.
Yet their hands may have been tied.

While I agree there is plenty of blame to go around, I'm curious why the
previous administrations are at a level below this administration? It's
true, Clinton trimmed funding for New Orleans' levees, but then, so did
Bush. Equal blame, no?

Both administrations made the cuts they thought best at the time. Were
they right? Hindsight says definitely not, but then, none of us are
without blame, either. I can't recall anyone here saying they would be
willing to pay more in taxes to avoid those cuts. I know I didn't.
There are no free lunches. You put your money down, and you take your
chances.

As I have said all along let's stop with the blame game for now.....it
serves no purpose.....plenty of time for it after this disaster is under
control.

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:53:41 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


I blame Bush and his administration for the slow response, and Bush
personally for staying on vacation and attending a fundraiser right after
the horror hit, intstead of establishing a command center. He's too damned
detached, probably because of his limited abilities.

It's easy to blame Bush. He's such a nincompoop, but flying around the
country after 9/11 or a fundraiser after Katrina, is just bad PR.
I honestly don't think the response would have been quicker no matter who
was in charge. FEMA is a bureaucracy and I remember the same complaints
about it's speed after Andrew.