Labor Day Fuel Prices and Rationing
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
I just bought some gasoline for my school. Originally, we had settled
on a figure for 87 Octane, but I eventually bought 93 Octane, since
the allocation of 87 was used up and it was no longer available.

Yep. Gasoline rationing is now going on at the fuel farm to
distributor level ....
Two to three (or more) pipeline's pumping stations have been flooded
and it is impossible to "ship" gas to the fuel farms. This may last
for weeks.


This could have a bigger effect on people's gas consumption than
anything yet. For example, my wife & I are considering *not* going down
to the boat this weekend (a 3 hour drive) due to uncertainy about gas.
We can get there & back on a tank, but then we have to go to work the
next day (and the nexty day, etc etc).

I bet this will have a big impact on people's boat use... seemed to me
that most made light of fuel expense in an earlier thread on the subject.

Thanks for the info, Gene!

Fair Skies
Doug King

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:40:45 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:


I just bought some gasoline for my school. Originally, we had settled
on a figure for 87 Octane, but I eventually bought 93 Octane, since
the allocation of 87 was used up and it was no longer available.

Yep. Gasoline rationing is now going on at the fuel farm to
distributor level and I personally know of two stations that were out
of fuel last night.... though they may receive a limited delivery this
morning.

The reason I post is I asked my supplier what would happen this Labor
Day weekend and he replied that some people were likely to go on
vacation and not be able to purchase fuel for recreational purposes
and/or the RETURN TRIP.... due to stations just running out... due to
limited deliveries.

Two to three (or more) pipeline's pumping stations have been flooded
and it is impossible to "ship" gas to the fuel farms. This may last
for weeks.

Be safe.... don't get stranded....

You've given me the incentive to go fill up the pickup.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:50:10 GMT, OlBlueEyes wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in
:

the idiot in the white house
responds with more "market forces" b.s.

You are correct in that it is b.s., because the lunatic fringe you
associate yourself with have prevented the construction of refineries for
20 years, power plants for 30 years, pipelines and exploration for at
least that long. If anyone DESERVES to freeze to death, it is YOU AND
YOUR INSANE EXTREMIST ILK.

Don't let krause disrupt your serenity. He's easily ignored. It bothers him
greatly. You can do it!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

OlBlueEyes wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in
:


the idiot in the white house
responds with more "market forces" b.s.


You are correct in that it is b.s., because the lunatic fringe you
associate yourself with have prevented the construction of refineries for
20 years, power plants for 30 years, pipelines and exploration for at
least that long. If anyone DESERVES to freeze to death, it is YOU AND
YOUR INSANE EXTREMIST ILK.


We used to have three refineries right on the harbour. Two closed
because the companies figured it was cheaper to use the excess capacity
at a big refinery in Montreal than to keep the local ones operating.
What they do I'm told, is all service stations send their tanker trucks
to the Imperial Oil refinery, load up, put their own additives in and
pretend it's their own gas. I guess that makes sense in a small market.

"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote in
:

the idiot in the white house
responds with more "market forces" b.s.

You are correct in that it is b.s., because the lunatic fringe you
associate yourself with have prevented the construction of refineries for
20 years, power plants for 30 years, pipelines and exploration for at
least that long. If anyone DESERVES to freeze to death, it is YOU AND
YOUR INSANE EXTREMIST ILK.

You keep mentioning these extremists, but you can't explain the precise
methods by which they've prevented refineries from being built. And, two
articles have been posted which indicated that producers have closed
refineries as a matter of choice because they weren't profitable.

I can only draw one conclusion from your repetition of this nonsense: You're
saying what you were told to say, by one of your puppet masters. Which is
it? Rush Limbaugh?

It's not going to hurt anybody to stay home this labor day. Instead of
driving to the coast to sail the big boat when there may be no wind,
I'll go to a lake very close and sail my MiniCups.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

I just bought some gasoline for my school. Originally, we had settled
on a figure for 87 Octane, but I eventually bought 93 Octane, since
the allocation of 87 was used up and it was no longer available.

Yep. Gasoline rationing is now going on at the fuel farm to
distributor level and I personally know of two stations that were out
of fuel last night.... though they may receive a limited delivery this
morning.

The reason I post is I asked my supplier what would happen this Labor
Day weekend and he replied that some people were likely to go on
vacation and not be able to purchase fuel for recreational purposes
and/or the RETURN TRIP.... due to stations just running out... due to
limited deliveries.

Two to three (or more) pipeline's pumping stations have been flooded
and it is impossible to "ship" gas to the fuel farms. This may last
for weeks.

Be safe.... don't get stranded....

--

_ ___c
\ _| \_
__\_| oooo \_____
~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~
~~~ ~~~~~~
~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/
Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide


We topped the tank on Friday when gas was $2.33/gallon then again on Sunday
when gas was still $2.46/gallon. All our cars were topped of then also, as
well as all our gas cans holding a total of about 10 gallons.

The boat holds 40 gallons and we burn about 6 gallons/hour.

We will be out (weather permitting) over the weekend. ;-)

If I have to put the boat to bed with an empty tank, so be it.

While coming home tonight from my parents house I passed(almost) a station
advertising gas for 2.85(BP) which is cheap considering all the others were
3.20. They had no 87 & 89, but had 93 for 3.19 so I filled my 25 gallons of
big can for my boat. Other stations had 93 for 3.60... so that's a deal
today! The big question, I got 60 gal in the boat in my garage... should I
go and have fun or save it for a rainy day?


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

I just bought some gasoline for my school. Originally, we had settled
on a figure for 87 Octane, but I eventually bought 93 Octane, since
the allocation of 87 was used up and it was no longer available.

Yep. Gasoline rationing is now going on at the fuel farm to
distributor level and I personally know of two stations that were out
of fuel last night.... though they may receive a limited delivery this
morning.

The reason I post is I asked my supplier what would happen this Labor
Day weekend and he replied that some people were likely to go on
vacation and not be able to purchase fuel for recreational purposes
and/or the RETURN TRIP.... due to stations just running out... due to
limited deliveries.

Two to three (or more) pipeline's pumping stations have been flooded
and it is impossible to "ship" gas to the fuel farms. This may last
for weeks.

Be safe.... don't get stranded....

--

_ ___c
\ _| \_
__\_| oooo \_____
~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~
~~~ ~~~~~~
~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide


We topped the tank on Friday when gas was $2.33/gallon then again on
Sunday when gas was still $2.46/gallon. All our cars were topped of then
also, as well as all our gas cans holding a total of about 10 gallons.

The boat holds 40 gallons and we burn about 6 gallons/hour.

We will be out (weather permitting) over the weekend. ;-)

If I have to put the boat to bed with an empty tank, so be it.

"Woodchuck" wrote in message
.. .
While coming home tonight from my parents house I passed(almost) a station
advertising gas for 2.85(BP) which is cheap considering all the others
were 3.20. They had no 87 & 89, but had 93 for 3.19 so I filled my 25
gallons of big can for my boat. Other stations had 93 for 3.60... so
that's a deal today! The big question, I got 60 gal in the boat in my
garage... should I go and have fun or save it for a rainy day?


Great question! And now I know where I can store 22 gallons in case I can't
get gas for my commute. This rec.boats place is the best!

"DSK" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
I just bought some gasoline for my school. Originally, we had settled
on a figure for 87 Octane, but I eventually bought 93 Octane, since
the allocation of 87 was used up and it was no longer available.

Yep. Gasoline rationing is now going on at the fuel farm to
distributor level ....
Two to three (or more) pipeline's pumping stations have been flooded
and it is impossible to "ship" gas to the fuel farms. This may last
for weeks.


This could have a bigger effect on people's gas consumption than anything
yet. For example, my wife & I are considering *not* going down to the boat
this weekend (a 3 hour drive) due to uncertainy about gas. We can get
there & back on a tank, but then we have to go to work the next day (and
the nexty day, etc etc).

I bet this will have a big impact on people's boat use... seemed to me
that most made light of fuel expense in an earlier thread on the subject.

Thanks for the info, Gene!

I'm facing this very dilemma right now. Boat is full (34 gallons) and truck
is full (20+ gallons). I have reservations for 4 days in the Middle Keys.
If I go, how many days can I go boating before I'm out of fuel? And more
importantly, will I be able to get back on Tuesday?

I've decided that I'll fill three 5-gallon cans on my way down (wherever I
can find fuel). I'll then top off the truck with the 5-gallon cans as soon
as I get there...which should give me just enough to get back.

If I can't find fuel for those cans in the morning, I'll have to seriously
consider bringing the boat and using it sparingly so that I can siphon the
gas into the truck just to get home.

"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"Woodchuck" wrote in message
.. .
While coming home tonight from my parents house I passed(almost) a
station advertising gas for 2.85(BP) which is cheap considering all the
others were 3.20. They had no 87 & 89, but had 93 for 3.19 so I filled my
25 gallons of big can for my boat. Other stations had 93 for 3.60... so
that's a deal today! The big question, I got 60 gal in the boat in my
garage... should I go and have fun or save it for a rainy day?


Great question! And now I know where I can store 22 gallons in case I
can't get gas for my commute. This rec.boats place is the best!

Go buy a $25,000 boat.

I'm going to the supermarket, and then to the boat launch 30 seconds from my
house, at least 3 times this weekend. I figure it's a $10 weekend, plus beer
and worms.

wrote in message
oups.com...
It's not going to hurt anybody to stay home this labor day. Instead of
driving to the coast to sail the big boat when there may be no wind,
I'll go to a lake very close and sail my MiniCups.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"Woodchuck" wrote in message
.. .
The big question, I got 60 gal in the boat in my garage... should I go
and have fun or save it for a rainy day?


Great question! And now I know where I can store 22 gallons in case I
can't get gas for my commute. This rec.boats place is the best!

Go buy a $25,000 boat.


Your directive is confusing to me. I did however just buy a $23, 000 dollar
boat. A couple of thousand short, but close enough I think.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:51:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I'm going to the supermarket, and then to the boat launch 30 seconds from
my
house, at least 3 times this weekend. I figure it's a $10 weekend, plus
beer
and worms.

Are the worms from your garden?

Hell no! Worm union regulations prohibit me from messing with my worms. Same
with the bees, although some much larger than usual ones arrived last week
and have been acting like total assholes. They may have an "accident"
involving a hand held propane torch.

Around 9/2/2005 6:51 AM, Doug Kanter wrote:

I'm going to the supermarket, and then to the boat launch 30 seconds from my
house, at least 3 times this weekend. I figure it's a $10 weekend, plus beer
and worms.

Boat launch antics? Some of the best cheap entertainment around! :)


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
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Around 9/2/2005 6:51 AM, Doug Kanter wrote:

I'm going to the supermarket, and then to the boat launch 30 seconds from
my
house, at least 3 times this weekend. I figure it's a $10 weekend, plus
beer
and worms.

Boat launch antics? Some of the best cheap entertainment around! :)

This one's better than most. The town's got two launches. One's paved, with
nice docks and it attracts an ice cream cone audience that stands around
getting in the way of the people launching boats. Costs six bucks to be
entertained there. The one I use most of the time is unpaved, bumpy, criss
crossed by 2 ravines, and it eats at least one trailer every weekend. The
ravines are totally obvious, so it's always a source of amazement that some
people don't take them into consideration.

Get some Stabil if that "rainy day" is going to be more than 4-5 weeks
down the road or you will have some nasty stuff that will clog your fuel
system.

Dan


Woodchuck wrote:

While coming home tonight from my parents house I passed(almost) a station
advertising gas for 2.85(BP) which is cheap considering all the others were
3.20. They had no 87 & 89, but had 93 for 3.19 so I filled my 25 gallons of
big can for my boat. Other stations had 93 for 3.60... so that's a deal
today! The big question, I got 60 gal in the boat in my garage... should I
go and have fun or save it for a rainy day?


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..

I just bought some gasoline for my school. Originally, we had settled
on a figure for 87 Octane, but I eventually bought 93 Octane, since
the allocation of 87 was used up and it was no longer available.

Yep. Gasoline rationing is now going on at the fuel farm to
distributor level and I personally know of two stations that were out
of fuel last night.... though they may receive a limited delivery this
morning.

The reason I post is I asked my supplier what would happen this Labor
Day weekend and he replied that some people were likely to go on
vacation and not be able to purchase fuel for recreational purposes
and/or the RETURN TRIP.... due to stations just running out... due to
limited deliveries.

Two to three (or more) pipeline's pumping stations have been flooded
and it is impossible to "ship" gas to the fuel farms. This may last
for weeks.

Be safe.... don't get stranded....

--

_ ___c
\ _| \_
__\_| oooo \_____
~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~
~~~ ~~~~~~
~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage*
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide


We topped the tank on Friday when gas was $2.33/gallon then again on
Sunday when gas was still $2.46/gallon. All our cars were topped of then
also, as well as all our gas cans holding a total of about 10 gallons.

The boat holds 40 gallons and we burn about 6 gallons/hour.

We will be out (weather permitting) over the weekend. ;-)

If I have to put the boat to bed with an empty tank, so be it.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:40:52 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:40:45 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

What I found.....

In the Brunswick County area: 44% cancellations in short term rentals,
gas prices about the same as inland, and few gas stations out of gas.
No Labor Day crowd. Gas prices from $3.09 to $3.99.

The largest discount gas chain in the area has refused to buy gas
until prices fall below $3.00, so all of those stations are closed in
Brunswick and New Hanover Counties.

A niece traveling from Key West to Boston reported high prices
everywhere, but cheapest in SC. Gas shortages were most widespread in
FL.

Gene, I didn't respond to your post the other day. Got busy, or something.

Yes, I've been embarrassed several times by things the administration has done.
I've been embarrassed by much of the TV coverage the past few days. I'm
embarrassed because I have friends in Europe who are seeing how inept we appear
to be at handling an emergency like this.

What is most embarrassing is the manner in which the major media has gone
directly at Bush, along with others on this group, with *no* regard to the
realities of the situation.

I've yet to see one reporter ask the mayor of New Orleans why he did so little
with regard to preparation or follow-on activities. I've yet to hear one
reporter ask the governor why the guard wasn't mobilized.

I've heard plenty of comments like, "We need a Berlin airdrop."
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:07:21 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


I've yet to see one reporter ask the mayor of New Orleans why he did so
little with regard to preparation or follow-on activities. I've yet to
hear one reporter ask the governor why the guard wasn't mobilized.

The mayor was in the hot seat the Saturday before Katrina. There were
many reporters questioning why a mandatory evacuation wasn't ordered then.
But this is now, it's Bush's turn in the hot seat.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:07:21 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


I've yet to see one reporter ask the mayor of New Orleans why he did so
little with regard to preparation or follow-on activities. I've yet to
hear one reporter ask the governor why the guard wasn't mobilized.

The mayor was in the hot seat the Saturday before Katrina. There were
many reporters questioning why a mandatory evacuation wasn't ordered then.
But this is now, it's Bush's turn in the hot seat.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:59:50 +0000, NOYB wrote:


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957

So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you too?

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:01:53 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:59:50 +0000, NOYB wrote:


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957

So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you too?

Failed?

Did anyone starve? Did anyone die of dehydration?

Where was the damn Louisiana National Guard?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:12:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you
too?

Failed?

Yup.


Did anyone starve? Did anyone die of dehydration?

Starving takes a little longer, but dehydration? Several, or were you not
paying attention, again.


Where was the damn Louisiana National Guard?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:59:50 +0000, NOYB wrote:


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957

So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you
too?

A relief effort of that magnitude takes time, even under ideal conditions.
That's why Bush asked Blanco and the Mayor on the Friday before the storm to
implement a mandatory evacuation. Mayor Nagin waited until Sunday to order
the mandatory evacuation...and then never used the buses at his disposal to
get the people out.


With rising flood waters, 80% of the roads impassable even one week after
the hurricane struck, and armed thugs shooting at police and relief workers,
it's amazing that the relief effort is able to do anything at all.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:59:50 +0000, NOYB wrote:


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957

So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you
too?

I guess in this case, the mayor lowered the bar even further than Bush
himself could have, so everything's fine this way.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:59:50 +0000, NOYB wrote:


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=107957

So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you
too?

I guess in this case, the mayor lowered the bar even further than Bush
himself could have, so everything's fine this way.

Bush is the relief pitcher coming into the game in the bottom of the ninth
with bases loaded, no outs, and a tie ball-game. He even inherited his
predecessor's (Nagin) 3 and 0 pitch count.

Blanco is the Manager...and it's her fault she didn't act more quickly.

Let's just hope that Bush is Mariano Rivera.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:57:34 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:12:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


So, because your mayor fails you, it's OK for your country to fail you
too?

Failed?

Yup.


Did anyone starve? Did anyone die of dehydration?

Starving takes a little longer, but dehydration? Several, or were you not
paying attention, again.


Where was the damn Louisiana National Guard?

site?

Where was the guard??
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:13:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


Where was the guard??

I believe, 1/3 of them are in Iraq.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:12:54 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:13:25 -0400, PocoLoco wrote:


Where was the guard??

I believe, 1/3 of them are in Iraq.

Where was the remaining 2/3 of the guard?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."