Cost of War 8/17/05
 

The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately 23,589 to
26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the beginning of the
war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Specialist
Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance Corporal Chase J.
Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova,
30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26; Purchase, New York
| Private First Class Hernando Rios, 29; Queens, New York | Private First
Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19; Morrisville, Pennsylvania | Specialist John
Kulick, 35; Harleysville, Pennsylvania | Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr.,
31; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24;
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty,
Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove, Illinois |
Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota | Lance Corporal
Evenor C. Herrera, 22; Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist Rusty W. Bell, 21;
Pocahontas, Arkansas | First Lieutenant David L. Giaimo, 24; Waukegan,
Illinois | Specialist Brian K. Derks, 21; White Cloud, Michigan | Staff
Sergeant Asbury F. Hawn, II, 35; Lebanon, Tennessee | Specialist Gary L.
Reese, Jr., 22; Ashland City, Tennessee | Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30;
Smithville, Tennessee | Specialist Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York Times,
www.iraqbodycount.net

What is your point?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately 23,589
to 26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the beginning of
the war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Specialist
Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance Corporal Chase J.
Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales
Cordova, 30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26;
Purchase, New York | Private First Class Hernando Rios, 29; Queens, New
York | Private First Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19; Morrisville,
Pennsylvania | Specialist John Kulick, 35; Harleysville, Pennsylvania |
Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr., 31; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |
Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Staff
Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty, Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel
Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove, Illinois | Sergeant 1st Class Michael A.
Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota | Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera, 22;
Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist Rusty W. Bell, 21; Pocahontas, Arkansas |
First Lieutenant David L. Giaimo, 24; Waukegan, Illinois | Specialist
Brian K. Derks, 21; White Cloud, Michigan | Staff Sergeant Asbury F. Hawn,
II, 35; Lebanon, Tennessee | Specialist Gary L. Reese, Jr., 22; Ashland
City, Tennessee | Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30; Smithville, Tennessee |
Specialist Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York
Times, www.iraqbodycount.net

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:27:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately 23,589 to
26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the beginning of the
war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Specialist
Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance Corporal Chase J.
Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova,
30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26; Purchase, New York
| Private First Class Hernando Rios, 29; Queens, New York | Private First
Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19; Morrisville, Pennsylvania | Specialist John
Kulick, 35; Harleysville, Pennsylvania | Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr.,
31; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24;
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty,
Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove, Illinois |
Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota | Lance Corporal
Evenor C. Herrera, 22; Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist Rusty W. Bell, 21;
Pocahontas, Arkansas | First Lieutenant David L. Giaimo, 24; Waukegan,
Illinois | Specialist Brian K. Derks, 21; White Cloud, Michigan | Staff
Sergeant Asbury F. Hawn, II, 35; Lebanon, Tennessee | Specialist Gary L.
Reese, Jr., 22; Ashland City, Tennessee | Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30;
Smithville, Tennessee | Specialist Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York Times,
www.iraqbodycount.net


Doug, it's nice to see you didn't add in the extra hundred thousand plus from
the John Hopkins study. A little realism is a nice thing.



--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Amen Bert, what is his point? Obviously he just wanted us to know that
He's against the war and that he's a left winger.



"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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What is your point?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately 23,589
to 26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the beginning of
the war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Specialist
Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance Corporal Chase J.
Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales
Cordova, 30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26;
Purchase, New York | Private First Class Hernando Rios, 29; Queens, New
York | Private First Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19; Morrisville,
Pennsylvania | Specialist John Kulick, 35; Harleysville, Pennsylvania |
Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr., 31; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |
Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Staff
Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty, Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel
Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove, Illinois | Sergeant 1st Class Michael A.
Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota | Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera, 22;
Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist Rusty W. Bell, 21; Pocahontas, Arkansas |
First Lieutenant David L. Giaimo, 24; Waukegan, Illinois | Specialist
Brian K. Derks, 21; White Cloud, Michigan | Staff Sergeant Asbury F.
Hawn, II, 35; Lebanon, Tennessee | Specialist Gary L. Reese, Jr., 22;
Ashland City, Tennessee | Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30; Smithville,
Tennessee | Specialist Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York
Times, www.iraqbodycount.net

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately 23,589
to 26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the beginning of
the war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Specialist
Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance Corporal Chase J.
Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales
Cordova, 30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26;
Purchase, New York | Private First Class Hernando Rios, 29; Queens, New
York | Private First Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19; Morrisville,
Pennsylvania | Specialist John Kulick, 35; Harleysville, Pennsylvania |
Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr., 31; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |
Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Staff
Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty, Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel
Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove, Illinois | Sergeant 1st Class Michael A.
Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota | Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera, 22;
Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist Rusty W. Bell, 21; Pocahontas, Arkansas |
First Lieutenant David L. Giaimo, 24; Waukegan, Illinois | Specialist
Brian K. Derks, 21; White Cloud, Michigan | Staff Sergeant Asbury F. Hawn,
II, 35; Lebanon, Tennessee | Specialist Gary L. Reese, Jr., 22; Ashland
City, Tennessee | Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30; Smithville, Tennessee |
Specialist Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York
Times, www.iraqbodycount.net



And this is what their price brought:


.... the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active
duty.

.... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

.... nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

.... the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

.... on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding the
prewar average.

.... all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open,
as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

.... by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500
more than scheduled.

.... teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

.... all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

.... doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

.... pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700
tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

.... the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to
Iraq's children.

.... a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000
kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of
farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and
women.

.... we have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and
over two-thirds of the potable water production.

.... there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 by
year-end.

.... the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to
cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and
towns.

.... 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time
customers are opening accounts daily.

.... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

.... the central bank is fully independent.

.... Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and banking
laws.

.... Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

.... satellite TV dishes are legal.

.... foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and
extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and other
government spies.

.... there is no Ministry of Information.

.... there are more than 170 newspapers.

.... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

.... foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

.... a nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or
executive - of a representative government, now does.

.... in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's
first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city
council elected its new chairman.

.... today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional
organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

.... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in
Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

.... the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events.
Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen
international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab
League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30
Iraqi embassies around the world.

.... Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

.... for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites
celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

.... the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large
and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

.... Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the
zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation,
torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

.... children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with
the government.

.... political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or
are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

.... millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

.... Saudis will hold municipal elections.

.... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

.... Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

.... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian -- a
Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and
for peace.

.... Saddam is gone.

.... Iraq is free.

.... President Bush has not faltered or failed.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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What is your point?

They have names, in case you didn't notice.

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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And this is what their price brought:


These are all civil improvements that were none of our business to be
involved with.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately
23,589 to 26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the
beginning of the war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Specialist
Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance Corporal Chase J.
Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales
Cordova, 30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N. Kalladeen, 26;
Purchase, New York | Private First Class Hernando Rios, 29; Queens, New
York | Private First Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19; Morrisville,
Pennsylvania | Specialist John Kulick, 35; Harleysville, Pennsylvania |
Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr., 31; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |
Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania | Staff
Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty, Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel
Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove, Illinois | Sergeant 1st Class Michael A.
Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota | Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera, 22;
Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist Rusty W. Bell, 21; Pocahontas, Arkansas |
First Lieutenant David L. Giaimo, 24; Waukegan, Illinois | Specialist
Brian K. Derks, 21; White Cloud, Michigan | Staff Sergeant Asbury F.
Hawn, II, 35; Lebanon, Tennessee | Specialist Gary L. Reese, Jr., 22;
Ashland City, Tennessee | Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30; Smithville,
Tennessee | Specialist Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York
Times, www.iraqbodycount.net



And this is what their price brought:


... the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on
active duty.

... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.


Ahh, today's talking points from the BushLies Administration. Got them
down pat, eh, Danno?

I think over 60 countries established embassies in Iraq too... it's either
58 or 60 -- but around that number...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
The totals:
1,853 American soldiers, 194 Coalition soldiers, and approximately
23,589 to 26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the
beginning of the war and occupation to August 14.

American soldiers killed from Aug 5-14:

Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat, 25; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |
Specialist Kurt E. Krout, 43; Spinnerstown, Pennsylvania | Lance
Corporal Chase J. Comley, 21; Lexington, Kentucky | Staff Sergeant
Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova, 30; Davie, Florida | Specialist Anthony N.
Kalladeen, 26; Purchase, New York | Private First Class Hernando Rios,
29; Queens, New York | Private First Class Nathaniel E. Detample, 19;
Morrisville, Pennsylvania | Specialist John Kulick, 35; Harleysville,
Pennsylvania | Specialist GennaroPellegrini Jr., 31; Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania | Sergeant Francis J. Straub Jr., 24; Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania | Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom, 25; Liberty,
Pennsylvania | Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo, 25; River Grove,
Illinois | Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson, 40; Winona, Minnesota
| Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera, 22; Gypsum, Colorado | Specialist
Rusty W. Bell, 21; Pocahontas, Arkansas | First Lieutenant David L.
Giaimo, 24; Waukegan, Illinois | Specialist Brian K. Derks, 21; White
Cloud, Michigan | Staff Sergeant Asbury F. Hawn, II, 35; Lebanon,
Tennessee | Specialist Gary L. Reese, Jr., 22; Ashland City, Tennessee
| Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor, 30; Smithville, Tennessee | Specialist
Toccara R. Green, 23; Rosedale, Maryland.

Sources: US Department of Defense, www.icasualties.org, The New York
Times, www.iraqbodycount.net


And this is what their price brought:


... the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on
active duty.

... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

Ahh, today's talking points from the BushLies Administration. Got them
down pat, eh, Danno?

I think over 60 countries established embassies in Iraq too... it's
either 58 or 60 -- but around that number...


So what?

I found your list interesting only in that it showed that we're paying to
rebuild much of what we destroyed, and some years from now, the Iraqis
will have what infrastructure and facilities they had before we bomed
them.

Big woop.

actually most of this did not exist under Saddam... you may be thinking of
our rebuilding of Germany after most of the large cities were leveled... we
did not do that in Iraq...

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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I think over 60 countries established embassies in Iraq too... it's either
58 or 60 -- but around that number...

Canada is not one of them. Canada's mission to Iraq is located in Jordan.
Too damn risky to have it in Iraq.

Jim