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OT--Are these gas prices Bush's fault too?
Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 Norway Oslo $6.27 Italy Milan $5.96 Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 Belgium Brussels $5.91 Sweden Stockholm $5.80 United Kingdom London $5.79 Germany Frankfurt $5.57 France Paris $5.54 Portugal Lisbon $5.35 Hungary Budapest $4.94 Luxembourg $4.82 Croatia Zagreb $4.81 Ireland Dublin $4.78 Switzerland Geneva $4.74 Spain Madrid $4.55 Japan Tokyo $4.24 Czech Republic Prague $4.19 Romania Bucharest $4.09 Andorra $4.08 Estonia Tallinn $3.62 Bulgaria Sofia $3.52 Brazil Brasilia $3.12 Cuba Havana $3.03 ----------------------------------------------------------- Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/ |
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:45:53 -0700, jps wrote:
In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. Obviously, you've never been caught in rush hour traffic in Paris, Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Frankfurt, Rome, Stuttgart, Prague, Geneva, or any other decent sized city in Europe, or you'd know that statement was false, along with the one above it. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. jps And you're projecting a lack of knowledge of European driving habits. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
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says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Feeble comeback. I'm sure their boats are more efficient on fuel. jps |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Yup. Fuel on the water is usually 10% more than on land. That puts fuel on the water at $7/gallon in those countries. Your average 22-25 foot runabout gets 2.5-3 mpg. Imagine paying $2.50 per mile. My average fishing trip would cost upwards of $200 in fuel costs alone. |
"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Feeble comeback. I'm sure their boats are more efficient on fuel. Hahaha. Yeah, sure. And so is a trawler at 6 knots. I'm talking about open runabouts or center consoles. |
Wasn't Harry the person who was complaining about gas at $2.45?
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Yup. Fuel on the water is usually 10% more than on land. That puts fuel on the water at $7/gallon in those countries. Your average 22-25 foot runabout gets 2.5-3 mpg. Imagine paying $2.50 per mile. My average fishing trip would cost upwards of $200 in fuel costs alone. |
jps,
It sounds like you just came up with some great rationalization for the oil companies to raise the cost of gas. "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Feeble comeback. I'm sure their boats are more efficient on fuel. jps |
"jps" wrote in message No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. No, not like here. For the most part much more punative to those earning higher incomes. |
"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Feeble comeback. I'm sure their boats are more efficient on fuel. Stupid re-comback. If they had more fuel efficient boats then we would be importing them into the US. |
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Yup. Fuel on the water is usually 10% more than on land. That puts fuel on the water at $7/gallon in those countries. Your average 22-25 foot runabout gets 2.5-3 mpg. Imagine paying $2.50 per mile. My average fishing trip would cost upwards of $200 in fuel costs alone. You're assuming their tastes are the same as yours. They aren't. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Yup. Fuel on the water is usually 10% more than on land. That puts fuel on the water at $7/gallon in those countries. Your average 22-25 foot runabout gets 2.5-3 mpg. Imagine paying $2.50 per mile. My average fishing trip would cost upwards of $200 in fuel costs alone. You're assuming their tastes are the same as yours. They aren't. What a crappy country then. |
Harry,
Would you like to see $7/gal gas at your local marina? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Yup. Fuel on the water is usually 10% more than on land. That puts fuel on the water at $7/gallon in those countries. Your average 22-25 foot runabout gets 2.5-3 mpg. Imagine paying $2.50 per mile. My average fishing trip would cost upwards of $200 in fuel costs alone. You're assuming their tastes are the same as yours. They aren't. |
Karen Greer wrote in message ... Harry, Would you like to see $7/gal gas at your local marina? But that shouldn't affect him. His tastes aren't the same as mine. |
"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:45:53 -0700, jps wrote: In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. Obviously, you've never been caught in rush hour traffic in Paris, Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Frankfurt, Rome, Stuttgart, Prague, Geneva, or any other decent sized city in Europe, or you'd know that statement was false, along with the one above it. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. jps And you're projecting a lack of knowledge of European driving habits. Isn't that the truth.........first of all gas taxes are not progressive.........and the size of the cars has to do with the size of the streets....... -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
Karen Greer wrote in message ... Harry, Would you like to see $7/gal gas at your local marina? It would not affect harry, since is boat is only decoration for his driveway "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... Wasn't Harry the one sounding off about how terrific the people in Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands have it? Ever visited any of the above countries? They've invested in reliable transit systems that allow most citizens to do without cars. Cars are used for groceries and vacations. In those countries, gas prices are almost triple the price per gallon that we pay here. I guess that's how they pay for their "free" social services over there. No, they have progressive tax structures, just like here. How'd you like to fill up your SUV and the bill comes $150? That's why we have SUVs and they have reasonably-sized autos. How'd you like it if it cost you $1 for every 3 miles you drove? And you weren't in a boat? You're projecting the American lifestyle on folks who don't live the same way. Do they own any recreational boats? Yup. Fuel on the water is usually 10% more than on land. That puts fuel on the water at $7/gallon in those countries. Your average 22-25 foot runabout gets 2.5-3 mpg. Imagine paying $2.50 per mile. My average fishing trip would cost upwards of $200 in fuel costs alone. You're assuming their tastes are the same as yours. They aren't. |
NOYB,
...... but I think he was complaining about Bush causing the gas prices to rise to $2.30? "NOYB" wrote in message ... Karen Greer wrote in message ... Harry, Would you like to see $7/gal gas at your local marina? But that shouldn't affect him. His tastes aren't the same as mine. |
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:
Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ |
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:59:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. LOL, you know, Harry, we are dating ourselves. When I was a kid, they didn't have big rigs, because there weren't any big rigs. Hell, a 33 1/3 Scott A****er was a *big* motor. However, I will agree, unless you are going offshore, a small boat will get you more fish. |
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:59:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. LOL, you know, Harry, we are dating ourselves. When I was a kid, they didn't have big rigs, because there weren't any big rigs. Hell, a 33 1/3 Scott A****er was a *big* motor. However, I will agree, unless you are going offshore, a small boat will get you more fish. The largest "modern" outboard Evinrude made for some years during the 1950s was the 25-hp BigTwin. My dad, an Evinrude dealer, had a couple of 50 hp monsters left over from the late 1940s, or maybe very early 1950s. I remember when Evinrude jumped from 25 hp to I think 30 hp and then 33 hp and 40 hp. Our neighbor at the beach had a beautiful 16' Lyman with a 25 hp Evinrude. It was some boat. Gasoline was about 19 cents a gallon in Connecticut, and you could get a rebate on state taxes for boat use. |
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:31:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
The largest "modern" outboard Evinrude made for some years during the 1950s was the 25-hp BigTwin. My dad, an Evinrude dealer, had a couple of 50 hp monsters left over from the late 1940s, or maybe very early 1950s. Memory lane. I had an Elgin 7 1/2 on an old 13' rowboat, but what's interesting, I found an old 1920s era Evinrude. 22 hp, I believe. It was a monster, and as kids are, I got it running and put it on that same rowboat. Fortunately, it blew up before I killed myself. Fortunate then, unfortunate now, as I'd love to have that old engine. |
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:31:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The largest "modern" outboard Evinrude made for some years during the 1950s was the 25-hp BigTwin. My dad, an Evinrude dealer, had a couple of 50 hp monsters left over from the late 1940s, or maybe very early 1950s. Memory lane. I had an Elgin 7 1/2 on an old 13' rowboat, but what's interesting, I found an old 1920s era Evinrude. 22 hp, I believe. It was a monster, and as kids are, I got it running and put it on that same rowboat. Fortunately, it blew up before I killed myself. Fortunate then, unfortunate now, as I'd love to have that old engine. My first outboards were ones my father put together from parts salvaged from motors he had in the shop for repair and I suppose some new parts. My very first outboard had to be from the late 1940s. It was a 1-1/2 hp Evinrude without a recoil starter and with an exposed fuel tank. Single cylinder. Ran like a Swiss watch. I was about seven years old, I guess, maybe six. Before my father would let me run the motor and boat by myself, I had to show him I could swim 100 yards. I also had to wear a lifejacket when I was in that boat. The one time I didn't, my mother saw me and I was "beached" for a week. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ Denmark has 220,000 outboard-powered motorboats and 25,000 inboard-engined motorboats. At $7/gallon, I wonder how much use they get? |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. |
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually does it. You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the "fishing" part of fishing. |
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:54:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually does it. You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the "fishing" part of fishing. You're always good for a laugh, Harry! -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:54:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually does it. You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the "fishing" part of fishing. You're always good for a laugh, Harry! And, of course, you're good for nothing, or so I have heard. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a grouper. I wasn't after those slimy, stinky kings. And I can catch grouper all day long over on this coast. I wanted dolphin and/or wahoo for the grill. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually does it. You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the "fishing" part of fishing. I do the "fishing" part of fishing all of the time. But I wanted to make a run to the other side to troll the blue water. Over here, I'd have to go 150+ miles out to see the depths that I was in less than 10 miles off Miami. This time of the year it gets boring soaking live or dead cut baits on bottom structure weekend after weekend. I went to Miami to mix it up a little. In two weeks when snook season opens and the tarpon start their southern migration, I'll be sight fishing snook and tarpon just off the beach. That's when things get fun again. "Men will go fishing their entire lives without knowing it is not fish they are after." --- Henry David Thoreau. (but sometimes it is) |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ Denmark has 220,000 outboard-powered motorboats and 25,000 inboard-engined motorboats. At $7/gallon, I wonder how much use they get? From my house north of St. Augustine in Florida, a five minute ride north or south at small-horsepower rowboat speed would take you to places almost guaranteed to offer up sea trout, flounder, redfish, blues, whiting, cobia, and catfish. You could spend the day fishing for ten bucks worth of gas. You do NOT have to go way offshore to catch fish in the ocean. To catch large *edible* pelagics in August you do. I could have caught all the kings that I wanted on the near shore reefs, but just this one time we were after meat. |
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:40:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a grouper. I wasn't after those slimy, stinky kings. And I can catch grouper all day long over on this coast. I wanted dolphin and/or wahoo for the grill. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually does it. You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the "fishing" part of fishing. I do the "fishing" part of fishing all of the time. But I wanted to make a run to the other side to troll the blue water. Over here, I'd have to go 150+ miles out to see the depths that I was in less than 10 miles off Miami. This time of the year it gets boring soaking live or dead cut baits on bottom structure weekend after weekend. I went to Miami to mix it up a little. In two weeks when snook season opens and the tarpon start their southern migration, I'll be sight fishing snook and tarpon just off the beach. That's when things get fun again. "Men will go fishing their entire lives without knowing it is not fish they are after." --- Henry David Thoreau. (but sometimes it is) Remember, Harry is the guy that caught (and released, of course) 25 plus croaker where no one else had yet caught *any*! -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
Harry is too much into "imaginary fishing" and not enough into actually
fishing. "John H." wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:54:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote: Do they own any recreational boats? Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The rest of Europe, however, falls way behind. http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/ One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine. When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18', with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here. In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money. I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook. At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the dinner table. Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually does it. You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the "fishing" part of fishing. You're always good for a laugh, Harry! -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
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