Gould,
Excellent point, and not all conservatives listen to talk radio. Not even
50% of all conservatives listen to talk radio.




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P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On 11 Aug 2005 09:52:17 -0700, wrote:


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wrote:

Unfortunate.

What does it profit progressives if self-defined spokespeople
simply
sound like
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, MIchael Savage, Anne Coulter, (and
many
of
their neo-conservative disciples posting to groups like this) in
reverse?

The problem is, that if a liberal debates ANYTHING that has spewed
from
BushCo et al., then the Bush lemmings automatically call that being
shrill or whiney.


Listen to neo-con propaganda on the radio sometime. Those adjectives
"shrill" and "whiney" are used incessantly by a couple of nationally
syndicated hosts. It is no surprise when people who regurgitate the
nonsense almost line-by-line use the same derisive terms to describe
moderates and liberals.

I already listened to right wing radio this morning, and I have
finally
figured out, I think, just why these people (and all propagandists)
are
so effective. Most people are intellectually lazy- they know they are
supposed to have values and opinions, but they aren't sure about how
to
form them or what to base them on. In an era of instant this, instant
that, any of the propagandists (left or right) appeal to people
looking
for ready made values. You will notice that propagandists have an
absolute answer for everything; not merely an opinion or a set of
personal beleifs but rather a divinely annointed moral truth. (A truth
so divine that it must be made the law of the land and imposed on
everybody, left or right). The only problem with adopting ready made
values (left or right) rather than developing some genuine,personal
beliefs and an individual moral code is that the artificially imposed
world view never seems to take permanent root. The neo-converts (to
the
left or the right) need a new fix almost every day to keep on drinking
the Kool Aid without questioning.

You know its working when nearly all of the people on one side of the
political/philosophical fence or the other seem to be discussing the
same issues, on the same days, and repeating the same arguments (and
adjectives) almost word for word.

People who have been robbed of the ability to form individual opinions
(by the left or by the right) are victims. Those victims should be
pitied, not challenged.

As a people, we likely aren't going to wake up to the fact that the
current polarization is serving the interests of a small group of
powerful people who really aren't liberal or conservative- but who are
enemies of freedom and democracy and have much to gain by fanning the
flames of hatred and intolerance between various political and
philosophical parties. If we're concentrating on the red guy, or the
blue gal, we're distracted from the low profile creeps who hope to
profit from the demise of our free society.

It's sure nice to see that all the liberals have something new to say
every day,
Chuck!

Especially when the political liebrals and the MSM all end up using the
same
talking points.......remember "gravitas"?



Friendly suggestion for you, P Fritz: Experiment with imagining a world
where "all" liberals or "all" conservatives don't look, think, believe,
or act the same. It could be very liberating.

John H. wrote:

You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh
and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that
upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear).


Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy?

Kevin,
Why do you think those who disagree with you "are your enemy"? That is the
beauty of a democracy. Those who disagree with you are what makes our
country great, they are not your enemy.


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John H. wrote:

You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess)
Limbaugh
and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find
that
upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I
hear).


Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy?

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Gould,
Excellent point, and not all conservatives listen to talk radio. Not even
50% of all conservatives listen to talk radio.

Nope.....chuckie completely missed the point.





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P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 11 Aug 2005 09:52:17 -0700, wrote:


wrote:
wrote:

Unfortunate.

What does it profit progressives if self-defined spokespeople
simply
sound like
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, MIchael Savage, Anne Coulter, (and
many
of
their neo-conservative disciples posting to groups like this) in
reverse?

The problem is, that if a liberal debates ANYTHING that has spewed
from
BushCo et al., then the Bush lemmings automatically call that
being
shrill or whiney.


Listen to neo-con propaganda on the radio sometime. Those adjectives
"shrill" and "whiney" are used incessantly by a couple of nationally
syndicated hosts. It is no surprise when people who regurgitate the
nonsense almost line-by-line use the same derisive terms to describe
moderates and liberals.

I already listened to right wing radio this morning, and I have
finally
figured out, I think, just why these people (and all propagandists)
are
so effective. Most people are intellectually lazy- they know they
are
supposed to have values and opinions, but they aren't sure about how
to
form them or what to base them on. In an era of instant this,
instant
that, any of the propagandists (left or right) appeal to people
looking
for ready made values. You will notice that propagandists have an
absolute answer for everything; not merely an opinion or a set of
personal beleifs but rather a divinely annointed moral truth. (A
truth
so divine that it must be made the law of the land and imposed on
everybody, left or right). The only problem with adopting ready made
values (left or right) rather than developing some genuine,personal
beliefs and an individual moral code is that the artificially
imposed
world view never seems to take permanent root. The neo-converts (to
the
left or the right) need a new fix almost every day to keep on
drinking
the Kool Aid without questioning.

You know its working when nearly all of the people on one side of
the
political/philosophical fence or the other seem to be discussing the
same issues, on the same days, and repeating the same arguments (and
adjectives) almost word for word.

People who have been robbed of the ability to form individual
opinions
(by the left or by the right) are victims. Those victims should be
pitied, not challenged.

As a people, we likely aren't going to wake up to the fact that the
current polarization is serving the interests of a small group of
powerful people who really aren't liberal or conservative- but who
are
enemies of freedom and democracy and have much to gain by fanning
the
flames of hatred and intolerance between various political and
philosophical parties. If we're concentrating on the red guy, or the
blue gal, we're distracted from the low profile creeps who hope to
profit from the demise of our free society.

It's sure nice to see that all the liberals have something new to say
every day,
Chuck!

Especially when the political liebrals and the MSM all end up using the
same
talking points.......remember "gravitas"?



Friendly suggestion for you, P Fritz: Experiment with imagining a world
where "all" liberals or "all" conservatives don't look, think, believe,
or act the same. It could be very liberating.

On 12 Aug 2005 06:01:17 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:

You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh
and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that
upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear).


Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy?

Well, you sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis. Any more lies today, Kevin?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 06:01:17 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:

You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh
and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that
upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear).


Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy?

Well, you sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis. Any more lies today, Kevin?

I'm not Kevin. And why do you always try to change the subject when
someone proves you a fool?

On 12 Aug 2005 12:45:51 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 06:01:17 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:

You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh
and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that
upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear).


Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy?

Well, you sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis. Any more lies today, Kevin?

I'm not Kevin. And why do you always try to change the subject when
someone proves you a fool?

Any more lies today, b'asskisser? You sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis.
Moto Guzzi Desmo, my ass!

You'd better follow your hero around and pick up some better techniques for
telling lies.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

atl_man, bassy, jimdandy or atl_cad,

If you don't want to discuss your motorcycle, do you want to discuss the
wonderful time you had at U of Penn?

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John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 06:01:17 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:

You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess)
Limbaugh
and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't
find that
upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I
hear).


Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy?

Well, you sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis. Any more lies today,
Kevin?

I'm not Kevin. And why do you always try to change the subject when
someone proves you a fool?