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Gould,
Excellent point, and not all conservatives listen to talk radio. Not even 50% of all conservatives listen to talk radio. wrote in message oups.com... P. Fritz wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 11 Aug 2005 09:52:17 -0700, wrote: wrote: wrote: Unfortunate. What does it profit progressives if self-defined spokespeople simply sound like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, MIchael Savage, Anne Coulter, (and many of their neo-conservative disciples posting to groups like this) in reverse? The problem is, that if a liberal debates ANYTHING that has spewed from BushCo et al., then the Bush lemmings automatically call that being shrill or whiney. Listen to neo-con propaganda on the radio sometime. Those adjectives "shrill" and "whiney" are used incessantly by a couple of nationally syndicated hosts. It is no surprise when people who regurgitate the nonsense almost line-by-line use the same derisive terms to describe moderates and liberals. I already listened to right wing radio this morning, and I have finally figured out, I think, just why these people (and all propagandists) are so effective. Most people are intellectually lazy- they know they are supposed to have values and opinions, but they aren't sure about how to form them or what to base them on. In an era of instant this, instant that, any of the propagandists (left or right) appeal to people looking for ready made values. You will notice that propagandists have an absolute answer for everything; not merely an opinion or a set of personal beleifs but rather a divinely annointed moral truth. (A truth so divine that it must be made the law of the land and imposed on everybody, left or right). The only problem with adopting ready made values (left or right) rather than developing some genuine,personal beliefs and an individual moral code is that the artificially imposed world view never seems to take permanent root. The neo-converts (to the left or the right) need a new fix almost every day to keep on drinking the Kool Aid without questioning. You know its working when nearly all of the people on one side of the political/philosophical fence or the other seem to be discussing the same issues, on the same days, and repeating the same arguments (and adjectives) almost word for word. People who have been robbed of the ability to form individual opinions (by the left or by the right) are victims. Those victims should be pitied, not challenged. As a people, we likely aren't going to wake up to the fact that the current polarization is serving the interests of a small group of powerful people who really aren't liberal or conservative- but who are enemies of freedom and democracy and have much to gain by fanning the flames of hatred and intolerance between various political and philosophical parties. If we're concentrating on the red guy, or the blue gal, we're distracted from the low profile creeps who hope to profit from the demise of our free society. It's sure nice to see that all the liberals have something new to say every day, Chuck! Especially when the political liebrals and the MSM all end up using the same talking points.......remember "gravitas"? Friendly suggestion for you, P Fritz: Experiment with imagining a world where "all" liberals or "all" conservatives don't look, think, believe, or act the same. It could be very liberating. |
John H. wrote: You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear). Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy? |
Kevin,
Why do you think those who disagree with you "are your enemy"? That is the beauty of a democracy. Those who disagree with you are what makes our country great, they are not your enemy. wrote in message ups.com... John H. wrote: You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear). Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy? |
"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message ... Gould, Excellent point, and not all conservatives listen to talk radio. Not even 50% of all conservatives listen to talk radio. Nope.....chuckie completely missed the point. wrote in message oups.com... P. Fritz wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On 11 Aug 2005 09:52:17 -0700, wrote: wrote: wrote: Unfortunate. What does it profit progressives if self-defined spokespeople simply sound like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, MIchael Savage, Anne Coulter, (and many of their neo-conservative disciples posting to groups like this) in reverse? The problem is, that if a liberal debates ANYTHING that has spewed from BushCo et al., then the Bush lemmings automatically call that being shrill or whiney. Listen to neo-con propaganda on the radio sometime. Those adjectives "shrill" and "whiney" are used incessantly by a couple of nationally syndicated hosts. It is no surprise when people who regurgitate the nonsense almost line-by-line use the same derisive terms to describe moderates and liberals. I already listened to right wing radio this morning, and I have finally figured out, I think, just why these people (and all propagandists) are so effective. Most people are intellectually lazy- they know they are supposed to have values and opinions, but they aren't sure about how to form them or what to base them on. In an era of instant this, instant that, any of the propagandists (left or right) appeal to people looking for ready made values. You will notice that propagandists have an absolute answer for everything; not merely an opinion or a set of personal beleifs but rather a divinely annointed moral truth. (A truth so divine that it must be made the law of the land and imposed on everybody, left or right). The only problem with adopting ready made values (left or right) rather than developing some genuine,personal beliefs and an individual moral code is that the artificially imposed world view never seems to take permanent root. The neo-converts (to the left or the right) need a new fix almost every day to keep on drinking the Kool Aid without questioning. You know its working when nearly all of the people on one side of the political/philosophical fence or the other seem to be discussing the same issues, on the same days, and repeating the same arguments (and adjectives) almost word for word. People who have been robbed of the ability to form individual opinions (by the left or by the right) are victims. Those victims should be pitied, not challenged. As a people, we likely aren't going to wake up to the fact that the current polarization is serving the interests of a small group of powerful people who really aren't liberal or conservative- but who are enemies of freedom and democracy and have much to gain by fanning the flames of hatred and intolerance between various political and philosophical parties. If we're concentrating on the red guy, or the blue gal, we're distracted from the low profile creeps who hope to profit from the demise of our free society. It's sure nice to see that all the liberals have something new to say every day, Chuck! Especially when the political liebrals and the MSM all end up using the same talking points.......remember "gravitas"? Friendly suggestion for you, P Fritz: Experiment with imagining a world where "all" liberals or "all" conservatives don't look, think, believe, or act the same. It could be very liberating. |
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John H. wrote: On 12 Aug 2005 06:01:17 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear). Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy? Well, you sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis. Any more lies today, Kevin? I'm not Kevin. And why do you always try to change the subject when someone proves you a fool? |
atl_man, bassy, jimdandy or atl_cad,
If you don't want to discuss your motorcycle, do you want to discuss the wonderful time you had at U of Penn? wrote in message oups.com... John H. wrote: On 12 Aug 2005 06:01:17 -0700, wrote: John H. wrote: You guys should spend less time listening to and memorizing (I guess) Limbaugh and Hannity. My advice would be to listen to Air America. You won't find that upsetting in the least, and they speak nothing but the truth (or so I hear). Why? Don't you understand the fact that it's good to know your enemy? Well, you sure as hell don't know your Moto Guzzis. Any more lies today, Kevin? I'm not Kevin. And why do you always try to change the subject when someone proves you a fool? |
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