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Boats 'n politics

So, all this political stuff is offa bumper stickers on boats?

Jack Smith wrote:
Harry,
Show us your imaginary boat. ; )

Show us your stupidity, Smithers. Oops, you've already done that!

As I am sure you know you have to be careful with Harry Krause. He is an
admitted internet stalker. He stalked both me and my wife, posted our
address and names here, went to the trouble of obtaining a picture of our
house and then made threats to us.

He is a sick man. The less information he knows about you the better off
you are.

"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
Harry,
What would you like to know?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Jack Smith wrote:
Harry,
Show us your imaginary boat. ; )

Show us your stupidity, Smithers. Oops, you've already done that!

For someone who keeps asking others to "show this," "prove that," et
cetera, our dumbboy Smithers sure is secretive about himself, and that's
because he's a doppleganger of another poster here.

JimH,
I have nothing to hide, my wife the Dr. Dr. and I have discussed Harry's
sickness. She has diagnosed him as a person suffering from Narcissistic
Personality Disorder. The symptons of NPD is: A pervasive pattern of
grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of
empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts,
as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people
(or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings
and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Medical Treatment

Hospitalization
The hospitalization of patients with severe Narcissistic Personality
occurs frequently. For some, such as those who are quite impulsive or
self-destructive, or who have poor reality-testing, this is the result of
Axis I symptoms which are overlaid upon the personality disorder.
Hospitalizations should be brief, and the treatment specific to the
particular symptom involved.

Another group of patients for whom hospitalization is indicated, provided
long-term residential treatment is available, are those who have poor
motivation for outpatient treatment, fragile object relationships, chronic
destructive acting out, and chaotic life-styles. An inpatient program can
offer an intensive milieu which includes individual psychotherapy, family
involvement, and a specialized residential environment. The structure is
physically and emotionally secure enough to sustain the patient with severe
ego weakness throughout the course of expressive, conflict-solving
psychotherapy.

Small staff-patient groups within the wards, as well as large community
meetings, at which feelings are shared and patients' comments taken
seriously by staff, and constructive work assignments, recreational
activities, and opportunities to sublimate painfully conflictual impulses
make the hospital a "holding" environment rather than merely a containing
one. The ultimate goals are of effecting a better integrated internal world,
more cohesive and modulated self-object representation, and a self-concept
less vulnerable to narcissistic injury.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Psychosocial Treatment

Basic Principles
Narcissistic patients try to sustain an image of perfection and personal
invincibility for themselves and attempt to project that impression to
others as well. Physical illness may shatter this illusion, and a patient
may lose the feeling of safety inherent in a cohesive sense of self. This
loss precipitates a panicky sensation that "my world is falling to pieces,"
and the patient feels a sense of personal fragmentation.

The histrionic patient's idealization of the physician stands in contrast
to the narcissistic patient's frequent contemptuous disregard for the
physician, who is denigrated in a defensive effort to maintain a sense of
superiority and mastery over illness. Only the most senior physician in a
prestigious institution is deemed worthy of respect as the frightened
patient seeks an external reflection of his or her own fragile grandeur in
the doctor. More junior members of the health care team may be the targets
of derision as the patient seeks to establish hierarchical dominance in
order to counter the shame and fear triggered by illness.

Health care professionals must convey a feeling of respect and acknowledge
the patient's sense of self-importance so that the patient can reestablish a
coherent sense of self, but they must at the same time avoid reinforcing
either pathologic grandiosity (which may contribute to denial of illness) or
weakness (which frightens the patient). An initial approach of support
followed by step-by-step confrontation of the patient's vulnerabilities may
enable the patient to deal with the implications of illness with feelings of
greater subjective strength. The increased self-confidence may reduce the
patient's need to attack the health care team in a misguided effort at
psychologic self-preservation and eases the pressure to provide perfect
care, since the patient's antagonistic feeling of entitlement (defined by
DSM-III as an "expectation of special favors without assuming reciprocal
responsibilities") is reduced.

Many of the treatment principles and approaches discussed for this
disorder apply as well to Borderline Personality Disorder.

The individual with narcissistic and related personality disorders is
likely to present with Axis I symptoms and disorders at various times in his
or her life. These should be treated as described elsewhere. Caution should
be observed, however, not to overdiagnose psychotic decompensation as
Schizophrenia unless all DSM-III criteria are apparent. The same caveat
applies to the pharmacologic treatment of depressive symptoms in the absence
of clinical signs of Major Affective Disorder. When treating presenting
symptoms and Axis I disorders in patients with Narcissistic Personality
Disorder and other similar conditions, attention should be paid to the
consequences of removing symptoms in a patient whose underlying character is
primitive and or fragile.

Some clinicians, suggest that the grandiosity and tendency to idealize and
devalue should be interpreted as defensive maneuvers when aspects of early
conflictual relationships are played out in adult life. Other clinicians,
posit that the emergence of the patient's grandiosity and tendency to
idealize the therapist should initially be viewed supportively. To help the
individual develop stronger self-esteem regulation, the therapist then
gradually points out the realistic limitations of patient and therapist
alike while also offering an empathic ambience to cushion patients in their
efforts to accept and integrate these experiences. Unfortunately, much
research will be required to validate the description and course of
narcissistic personality disorder before further research can answer which
techniques bring about a better response to treatment.

Individual Psychotherapy
Most psychiatrists will, as a practical matter, treat most of their
severely narcissistic patients for symptoms related to crises and relatively
external Axis I diagnoses, rather than in an effort to address the
personality disorder itself. The therapist must be aware of the importance
of narcissism to the contiguity of the patient's psyche, refrain from
confronting the need for self-aggrandizement, and help the patient use his
or her narcissistic characteristics to reconstitute an intact self-image.
Positive transference and therapeutic alliance should not be relied upon,
since the patient may not be able to acknowledge the real humanness of the
therapist but may have to see him/her as either superhuman or devalued.

Those patients who do not terminate treatment after symptom relief has
been obtained may wish help for some of the problems related to their
personality disorder, such as interpersonal difficulties or depression. The
therapist must have a good understanding of the principles of the
narcissistic personality style, both for interpretation to the patient and
for use in combating countertransference. Goals for ordinary psychotherapy
should not be too great, since the source of these patients' difficulties
lies deep in pathological development.

Group Therapy
The goals are to help the patient develop a healthy individuality (rather
than a resilient narcissism) so that he or she can acknowledge others as
separate persons, and to decrease the need for self-defeating coping
mechanisms. The first step toward developing a working alliance is empathy
with the surprise and hurt that the patient experiences as a result of
confrontations within the group. The external structuring group therapy
provides can control destructive behavior in spite of ego weakness. In
groups, the therapist is less authoritative (and less threatening to the
patient's grandiosity); intensity of emotional experience is lessened; and
regression is more controlled, creating a better setting for confrontation
and clarification.

Outpatient analytic-expressive group therapy requires a concomitant
individual relationship for most patients, which should be somewhat
supportive. The need for this additional support, the likelihood of the
patient's leaving the group at the first sign of psychic insult, and
proneness to disorganized thinking are all found more often in the
Borderline patient. The patient with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder
does not appear so vulnerable to separation anxieties as the Borderline
patient, but is instead involved in issues centered around maintaining a
sense of self-worth

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...
As I am sure you know you have to be careful with Harry Krause. He is an
admitted internet stalker. He stalked both me and my wife, posted our
address and names here, went to the trouble of obtaining a picture of our
house and then made threats to us.

He is a sick man. The less information he knows about you the better off
you are.

"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
Harry,
What would you like to know?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Jack Smith wrote:
Harry,
Show us your imaginary boat. ; )

Show us your stupidity, Smithers. Oops, you've already done that!

For someone who keeps asking others to "show this," "prove that," et
cetera, our dumbboy Smithers sure is secretive about himself, and that's
because he's a doppleganger of another poster here.

It looks like your wife's diagnosis of Harry Krause is right on the mark.

"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
JimH,
I have nothing to hide, my wife the Dr. Dr. and I have discussed Harry's
sickness. She has diagnosed him as a person suffering from Narcissistic
Personality Disorder. The symptons of NPD is: A pervasive pattern of
grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of
empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of
contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Medical Treatment

Hospitalization
The hospitalization of patients with severe Narcissistic Personality
occurs frequently. For some, such as those who are quite impulsive or
self-destructive, or who have poor reality-testing, this is the result of
Axis I symptoms which are overlaid upon the personality disorder.
Hospitalizations should be brief, and the treatment specific to the
particular symptom involved.

Another group of patients for whom hospitalization is indicated, provided
long-term residential treatment is available, are those who have poor
motivation for outpatient treatment, fragile object relationships, chronic
destructive acting out, and chaotic life-styles. An inpatient program can
offer an intensive milieu which includes individual psychotherapy, family
involvement, and a specialized residential environment. The structure is
physically and emotionally secure enough to sustain the patient with
severe ego weakness throughout the course of expressive, conflict-solving
psychotherapy.

Small staff-patient groups within the wards, as well as large community
meetings, at which feelings are shared and patients' comments taken
seriously by staff, and constructive work assignments, recreational
activities, and opportunities to sublimate painfully conflictual impulses
make the hospital a "holding" environment rather than merely a containing
one. The ultimate goals are of effecting a better integrated internal
world, more cohesive and modulated self-object representation, and a
self-concept less vulnerable to narcissistic injury.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Psychosocial Treatment

Basic Principles
Narcissistic patients try to sustain an image of perfection and personal
invincibility for themselves and attempt to project that impression to
others as well. Physical illness may shatter this illusion, and a patient
may lose the feeling of safety inherent in a cohesive sense of self. This
loss precipitates a panicky sensation that "my world is falling to
pieces," and the patient feels a sense of personal fragmentation.

The histrionic patient's idealization of the physician stands in contrast
to the narcissistic patient's frequent contemptuous disregard for the
physician, who is denigrated in a defensive effort to maintain a sense of
superiority and mastery over illness. Only the most senior physician in a
prestigious institution is deemed worthy of respect as the frightened
patient seeks an external reflection of his or her own fragile grandeur in
the doctor. More junior members of the health care team may be the targets
of derision as the patient seeks to establish hierarchical dominance in
order to counter the shame and fear triggered by illness.

Health care professionals must convey a feeling of respect and
acknowledge the patient's sense of self-importance so that the patient can
reestablish a coherent sense of self, but they must at the same time avoid
reinforcing either pathologic grandiosity (which may contribute to denial
of illness) or weakness (which frightens the patient). An initial approach
of support followed by step-by-step confrontation of the patient's
vulnerabilities may enable the patient to deal with the implications of
illness with feelings of greater subjective strength. The increased
self-confidence may reduce the patient's need to attack the health care
team in a misguided effort at psychologic self-preservation and eases the
pressure to provide perfect care, since the patient's antagonistic feeling
of entitlement (defined by DSM-III as an "expectation of special favors
without assuming reciprocal responsibilities") is reduced.

Many of the treatment principles and approaches discussed for this
disorder apply as well to Borderline Personality Disorder.

The individual with narcissistic and related personality disorders is
likely to present with Axis I symptoms and disorders at various times in
his or her life. These should be treated as described elsewhere. Caution
should be observed, however, not to overdiagnose psychotic decompensation
as Schizophrenia unless all DSM-III criteria are apparent. The same caveat
applies to the pharmacologic treatment of depressive symptoms in the
absence of clinical signs of Major Affective Disorder. When treating
presenting symptoms and Axis I disorders in patients with Narcissistic
Personality Disorder and other similar conditions, attention should be
paid to the consequences of removing symptoms in a patient whose
underlying character is primitive and or fragile.

Some clinicians, suggest that the grandiosity and tendency to idealize
and devalue should be interpreted as defensive maneuvers when aspects of
early conflictual relationships are played out in adult life. Other
clinicians, posit that the emergence of the patient's grandiosity and
tendency to idealize the therapist should initially be viewed
supportively. To help the individual develop stronger self-esteem
regulation, the therapist then gradually points out the realistic
limitations of patient and therapist alike while also offering an empathic
ambience to cushion patients in their efforts to accept and integrate
these experiences. Unfortunately, much research will be required to
validate the description and course of narcissistic personality disorder
before further research can answer which techniques bring about a better
response to treatment.

Individual Psychotherapy
Most psychiatrists will, as a practical matter, treat most of their
severely narcissistic patients for symptoms related to crises and
relatively external Axis I diagnoses, rather than in an effort to address
the personality disorder itself. The therapist must be aware of the
importance of narcissism to the contiguity of the patient's psyche,
refrain from confronting the need for self-aggrandizement, and help the
patient use his or her narcissistic characteristics to reconstitute an
intact self-image. Positive transference and therapeutic alliance should
not be relied upon, since the patient may not be able to acknowledge the
real humanness of the therapist but may have to see him/her as either
superhuman or devalued.

Those patients who do not terminate treatment after symptom relief has
been obtained may wish help for some of the problems related to their
personality disorder, such as interpersonal difficulties or depression.
The therapist must have a good understanding of the principles of the
narcissistic personality style, both for interpretation to the patient and
for use in combating countertransference. Goals for ordinary psychotherapy
should not be too great, since the source of these patients' difficulties
lies deep in pathological development.

Group Therapy
The goals are to help the patient develop a healthy individuality (rather
than a resilient narcissism) so that he or she can acknowledge others as
separate persons, and to decrease the need for self-defeating coping
mechanisms. The first step toward developing a working alliance is empathy
with the surprise and hurt that the patient experiences as a result of
confrontations within the group. The external structuring group therapy
provides can control destructive behavior in spite of ego weakness. In
groups, the therapist is less authoritative (and less threatening to the
patient's grandiosity); intensity of emotional experience is lessened; and
regression is more controlled, creating a better setting for confrontation
and clarification.

Outpatient analytic-expressive group therapy requires a concomitant
individual relationship for most patients, which should be somewhat
supportive. The need for this additional support, the likelihood of the
patient's leaving the group at the first sign of psychic insult, and
proneness to disorganized thinking are all found more often in the
Borderline patient. The patient with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder
does not appear so vulnerable to separation anxieties as the Borderline
patient, but is instead involved in issues centered around maintaining a
sense of self-worth

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...
As I am sure you know you have to be careful with Harry Krause. He is an
admitted internet stalker. He stalked both me and my wife, posted our
address and names here, went to the trouble of obtaining a picture of our
house and then made threats to us.

He is a sick man. The less information he knows about you the better off
you are.

"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
Harry,
What would you like to know?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Jack Smith wrote:
Harry,
Show us your imaginary boat. ; )

Show us your stupidity, Smithers. Oops, you've already done that!

For someone who keeps asking others to "show this," "prove that," et
cetera, our dumbboy Smithers sure is secretive about himself, and
that's because he's a doppleganger of another poster here.

Jack Smith wrote:
Harry,
What would you like to know?

'The truth...and nothing but the truth' would be a good start.

Don,
Why not hold me up to the same standards Harry uses?

Harry liked to brag about his wife's career and use her career as a
psychiatrist to diagnose everyone in rec.boats as having mental illness.
Well damn, she is a social worker.

Harry liked to use his degree from Yale to laud his superior IQ, well damn,
he didn't graduate from Yale.

Harry liked to use his 36' Lobster Boat as his standard for a quality boat.
Well damn, he doesn't own a Lobster Boat.

Tell me if this reminds you of anyone: Narcissistic
Personality Disorder. The symptoms of NPD is: A pervasive pattern of
grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of
empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts,
as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people
(or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings
and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Jack Smith wrote:
Harry,
What would you like to know?

'The truth...and nothing but the truth' would be a good start.

*JimH* wrote:
As I am sure you know you have to be careful with Harry Krause. He is an
admitted internet stalker. He stalked both me and my wife, posted our
address and names here, went to the trouble of obtaining a picture of our
house and then made threats to us.

Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!!

*JimH* wrote:
It looks like your wife's diagnosis of Harry Krause is right on the mark.

Bwaaahaaaa....ANOTHER idiot that believes Smithers....! This is too
damned funny!

wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
As I am sure you know you have to be careful with Harry Krause. He is an
admitted internet stalker. He stalked both me and my wife, posted our
address and names here, went to the trouble of obtaining a picture of our
house and then made threats to us.

Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!!

When did I do any of those things Kevin? Post as many links as you can of
me posting someone's address here, finding out their wife's name and posting
it here, finding a picture of their house and making threats to them.

Do you even know what the phrase "pot calling the kettle black" means?

Kevin,

Anyone who does not suffer from FAS and brain damage due to excessive drug
use, would understand that my "Dr. Dr. wife" is parody of Harry's Dr. Dr.
wife. Neither one of them is involved in the medical field. Harry's wife
is a social worker, my wife is not a social worker. I would tell you what
my wife does, but I think it would come off as one of Harry's fictous
stories.

wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
It looks like your wife's diagnosis of Harry Krause is right on the mark.

Bwaaahaaaa....ANOTHER idiot that believes Smithers....! This is too
damned funny!

Jack Smith wrote:
Kevin,

Anyone who does not suffer from FAS and brain damage due to excessive drug
use, would understand that my "Dr. Dr. wife" is parody of Harry's Dr. Dr.
wife. Neither one of them is involved in the medical field. Harry's wife
is a social worker, my wife is not a social worker. I would tell you what
my wife does, but I think it would come off as one of Harry's fictous
stories.

I'm not Kevin

Bassy,
Did you understand the parody, or do I need to explain it to you again?

wrote in message
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Jack Smith wrote:
Kevin,

Anyone who does not suffer from FAS and brain damage due to excessive
drug
use, would understand that my "Dr. Dr. wife" is parody of Harry's Dr. Dr.
wife. Neither one of them is involved in the medical field. Harry's
wife
is a social worker, my wife is not a social worker. I would tell you
what
my wife does, but I think it would come off as one of Harry's fictous
stories.

I'm not Kevin

Jack Smith wrote:

Neither one of them is involved in the medical field.

Hate to burst your bubble (maybe "sink your boat" is more appropriate),
but being involved in the medical field is not a requirement for the
title of "Dr."

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Jack Smith wrote:
Bassy,
Did you understand the parody, or do I need to explain it to you again?

I fully understand the "parody". But, the fact remains, when you
started that crap, your butt buddy NOYB instantly said "I guess
Smithers showed you", when I asked what qualifications you had to make
such outrageous statements. Then JimH pipes in just recently with
almost the same thing. SO, it is your nose/ass buddies that are the
problem here, THEY believe you. Also, the fact remains, that although
not qualified to do so, you post diagnosis here in usenet. Do you think
that is an intelligent thing to do? What if someone who actually WAS
troubled, was lurking here, and took your idiotic advice and something
terrible happened? Being the non-thinking sort, I guess that aspect
never crossed your mind, huh?

wrote in message
oups.com...

Jack Smith wrote:
Bassy,
Did you understand the parody, or do I need to explain it to you again?

I fully understand the "parody". But, the fact remains, when you
started that crap, your butt buddy NOYB instantly said "I guess
Smithers showed you", when I asked what qualifications you had to make
such outrageous statements. Then JimH pipes in just recently with
almost the same thing. SO, it is your nose/ass buddies that are the
problem here, THEY believe you. Also, the fact remains, that although
not qualified to do so, you post diagnosis here in usenet. Do you think
that is an intelligent thing to do? What if someone who actually WAS
troubled, was lurking here, and took your idiotic advice and something
terrible happened? Being the non-thinking sort, I guess that aspect
never crossed your mind, huh?

Curtis, do you find yourself thinking you meet many items in Jack Smith's
diagnosis of Harry? What advice was given that would result in something
terrible happening to you or another troubled person reading his diagnosis
of Harry?

Garth,
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. ; )

My wife is not a MD. Harry's wife is not a MD, even though Harry stated she
is. Harry's wife is a social worker with neither a PHD or a MD.

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...
Jack Smith wrote:

Neither one of them is involved in the medical field.

Hate to burst your bubble (maybe "sink your boat" is more appropriate),
but being involved in the medical field is not a requirement for the title
of "Dr."

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Kevin,
As a professional, I have to tell you, in my professional opinion you are
****ing nuts.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Jack Smith wrote:
Bassy,
Did you understand the parody, or do I need to explain it to you again?

I fully understand the "parody". But, the fact remains, when you
started that crap, your butt buddy NOYB instantly said "I guess
Smithers showed you", when I asked what qualifications you had to make
such outrageous statements. Then JimH pipes in just recently with
almost the same thing. SO, it is your nose/ass buddies that are the
problem here, THEY believe you. Also, the fact remains, that although
not qualified to do so, you post diagnosis here in usenet. Do you think
that is an intelligent thing to do? What if someone who actually WAS
troubled, was lurking here, and took your idiotic advice and something
terrible happened? Being the non-thinking sort, I guess that aspect
never crossed your mind, huh?