On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:24:28 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:


For those who missed it (or so you don't have to go back to find it), here
it is:
-------------------
Peter Aitken
Supporting literacy lessons for conservatives.
----------------------

How nice of you Peter.

BTW Peter: Once the name calling begins your credibility drops to zero and
shows your inability to carry on a discussion of the issues at hand.

I just love it when right-wing scum like Hertvik, Fritz, McKee, Robbins,
et al, start speaking out on "name calling."

Harry, we all know you love name-calling. You don't have to remind us.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
k.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
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snipped

It is not just the tests themselves, but the way doctors practice, keep
records, staffing, etc etc. And then throw in the cost of malpractice
insurance.

Peter needs to support reading comprehension for liebrals like himself


You really are a moron, aren't you? You have made a claim that may or
not be true - I do not know one way or the other. I ask for evidence and
all you can do is call names. This is what passes for "dialog" among
right-wing nitwits.


--
Peter Aitken


Seems to be what passes for "dialog" among Left-wing nitwits also.


Are you serious? Is this the most intelligent response you could come up
with? Are you interested in the issues or in high-school "gotcha?"

Jesus H. Christ, and these people are allowed to vote.


--
Peter Aitken



You would not admit malpractice costs big bucks and inhibits medical
changes, if the results bit you in the ass! And you are allowed to vote?
Great your great come back. . . NOT!

And for study on defensive medicine costs related to malpractice.
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin.../9405/9405.PDF
Probably larger now. I wrote software for medical equipment. Probably 1/4
the time was spent documenting the code. Admitted FDA does not like
software, as a number of years ago, a software error in some xray equipment
killed a few people by giving them 10x the dosage that was specified, but it
could as easily have been a hardware design error instead. This as well as
all the testing and the Validation and Verifying of the software and the
equipment. They all add to the cost of the product and medical costs. So
figure at least a 6% increase in software development costs for extreme
documentation of the software.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:57:55 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:16:14 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 1 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Every major legislative initiative
signed by the president this year has been a boon to special interests,
but ignored the real needs of the American people.
Name one 20th President who has not catered to "special" interests?

Betcha can't.

make that 20th Century President - sorry. :)


It seems as if virtually every Bill Bush signs is a payoff to interests
that do not have the health, welfare, or employment of average Americans
in mind, more so than any other POTUS in my memory.

And that's different from, oh say, Carter who was so incompetent that
he drove the American economy into the ground so hard so fast it took
almost ten years to recover from that mess.

Or Clinton's administration allowing for funky accounting practices
like EBITDA and a SEC that was too lax creating the tech investment
bubble which gave rise to ERON (most of ENRON's fraud occurred during
the Clinton administration - check out any time line you wish).

My point is that every President is prey to charges of favoritism to
his buddies or contributors. They all help their friends.

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.

It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one. As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.

I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 06:44:44 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:57:55 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:16:14 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 1 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Every major legislative initiative
signed by the president this year has been a boon to special interests,
but ignored the real needs of the American people.
Name one 20th President who has not catered to "special" interests?

Betcha can't.
make that 20th Century President - sorry. :)

It seems as if virtually every Bill Bush signs is a payoff to interests
that do not have the health, welfare, or employment of average Americans
in mind, more so than any other POTUS in my memory.

And that's different from, oh say, Carter who was so incompetent that
he drove the American economy into the ground so hard so fast it took
almost ten years to recover from that mess.

It's a matter of degree. The ramifications of Bushism already are far
worse.

Or Clinton's administration allowing for funky accounting practices
like EBITDA and a SEC that was too lax creating the tech investment
bubble which gave rise to ERON (most of ENRON's fraud occurred during
the Clinton administration - check out any time line you wish).

Let me know when Bush forces corporations to deal with their unfunded
pension liabilities honestly.

Unfunded pensions are a spaciality of the Democrats also. Take
Connecticut for example. State pensions that are supposed to be fully
funded aren't - in particular teacher's pensions which are only funded
at the 39% level, others are at 45%. This is not a Republican
controlled legislature. Nor is New York's, Vermont's or Massachusetts
which are worse than Connecticut in terms of non-funding pensions.

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.

It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one. As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.

I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

I think it is worse.

You would. :)

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one.

Really? I though you were proclaiming a while back that evolution had
never been "proven" and it shouldn't be taught as science?

... As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

Sorry, but you're putting yourself into the garbage can on this one. You
can't drive science backwards, attempts to try are disastrous on all
fronts. Go burn some witches if it makes you feel better.

DSK


When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.


I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:


For those who missed it (or so you don't have to go back to find it),
here it is:
-------------------
Peter Aitken
Supporting literacy lessons for conservatives.
----------------------

How nice of you Peter.

BTW Peter: Once the name calling begins your credibility drops to
zero
and shows your inability to carry on a discussion of the issues at
hand.

I just love it when right-wing scum like Hertvik, Fritz, McKee,
Robbins,
et al, start speaking out on "name calling."



When was the last time you actually contributed an *On* topic post to this
NG?

Your petty insults and name calling..............getting old. But that is
all you seem to do here.

It is pretty funny watching krause, kevin and crew flounce around when they
are nailed for whining about others doing things they are guilty
of.......typical liebral.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

Hmmm - you quote my post with sig line while claiming I did not include
it.
Perhaps you can go to the morgue and get a used brain.

Who ties your shoes for you?

--
Peter Aitken



Why the need for personal insults in your replies Peter? By doing so you
are showing you cannot keep up with the debate/discussion at hand.


Peter is tap dancing around the issue at hand......just like a true liebral

"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:03:47 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. com...


snipped

It is not just the tests themselves, but the way doctors practice,
keep
records, staffing, etc etc. And then throw in the cost of malpractice
insurance.

Peter needs to support reading comprehension for liebrals like
himself


You really are a moron, aren't you? You have made a claim that may or
not
be true - I do not know one way or the other. I ask for evidence and
all
you can do is call names. This is what passes for "dialog" among
right-wing nitwits.


--
Peter Aitken


Seems to be what passes for "dialog" among Left-wing nitwits also.


Are you serious? Is this the most intelligent response you could come up
with? Are you interested in the issues or in high-school "gotcha?"

Jesus H. Christ, and these people are allowed to vote.


But meanwhile Peter wrote:

Who ties your shoes for you?

--
Peter Aitken

Are you serious, Peter? Is that what passes for "intelligent" for
you?

It is comical to watch liebrals react when you throw their tactics back at
them.......what hypocrites

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. com...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
k.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. com...


snipped

It is not just the tests themselves, but the way doctors practice,
keep
records, staffing, etc etc. And then throw in the cost of malpractice
insurance.

Peter needs to support reading comprehension for liebrals like
himself


You really are a moron, aren't you? You have made a claim that may or
not be true - I do not know one way or the other. I ask for evidence
and
all you can do is call names. This is what passes for "dialog" among
right-wing nitwits.


--
Peter Aitken


Seems to be what passes for "dialog" among Left-wing nitwits also.


Are you serious? Is this the most intelligent response you could come up
with? Are you interested in the issues or in high-school "gotcha?"

Jesus H. Christ, and these people are allowed to vote.


--
Peter Aitken



You would not admit malpractice costs big bucks and inhibits medical
changes, if the results bit you in the ass! And you are allowed to vote?
Great your great come back. . . NOT!


Peter appears to be one of your garden variety liebrals following the
liebral playbook.

*JimH* wrote:

BTW Peter: Once the name calling begins your credibility drops to zero and
shows your inability to carry on a discussion of the issues at hand.

Really? Does this mean that in your opinion, that Fritz isn't credible,
and that his name calling "shows (his) inability to carry on a
discussion of issues at hand"?

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill. Lots to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states? They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill. Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

"*JimH*" wrote in message news:BN6dnbpDwfssR23fRVn-

........Kevin? Can't you respond to folks without insulting them?


Good God! After all this time reading the NG, do you really need to ask
that qustion?

LOL

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:29:02 -0400, DSK wrote:

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one.

Really? I though you were proclaiming a while back that evolution had
never been "proven" and it shouldn't be taught as science?

No - that's not what that discussion was about.

~~rick~~ and I were having some fun with the concept of evolution -
his took Darwin and evolution as gospel and I pointed out that a
direct link between protohumans and homo sapiens didn't exist and that
I believed that the cause of the leap from proto to sapiens were
aliens.

The whole thing was tongue in cheek on both sides.

... As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

Sorry, but you're putting yourself into the garbage can on this one. You
can't drive science backwards, attempts to try are disastrous on all
fronts. Go burn some witches if it makes you feel better.

To begin with, you had no call to make an assertion such as that
without exploring the issue at a more in-depth level. It shows that
you are only capable of name calling on limited evidence and even more
limited discussion.

Second, the President wants to limit adding embryonic stem cells from
frozen embryos to the current 78 lines currently in existence. In
that, I am in agreement. My reasoning is that there are clear and
compelling moral and ethical issues in destroying potential human
beings for the sake of research that needs to be explored and
reconciled before moving into the destruction of same.

Third, the current 78 lines have shown no, and I will repeat this for
your edification, no evidence that these lines will do anything to
effect or affect any current debilitating disease as was originally
claimed. While there are some arguably positive results in current
testing and research on these 78 lines, they are minor at best. Like
taking Sudafed for allergies. The length of time, money and
investment in those 78 lines has done nothing to add to the quality of
life.

Fourth, I am not against science or research in this area at all. On
the contrary, it would be nice if somebody could create a cure for
rheumatoid arthritis which cripples me on a regular basis based on
stem cell research.

However, there is a ready source of stem cells at abortion clinics,
which is the law of the land even if I don't agree with it, which can
be used are just as valuable if I understand the biology correctly.
There is no need to destroy frozen embroyos to obtain stem cells.

Fifth, adult stem cells are showing more promise in the potential
cures of paralysis and disease cure than embryonic stem cells. It's
pretty easy to get adult stem cells - doesn't even hurt. The jury is
still out on these types of stem cells, but the early research is
showing great promise.

To put paid to this, next time you name call, be a man about it and
try to understand first - as hard as that may be for you to do.

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill. Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

I'm not Kevin

John Gaquin wrote:
"*JimH*" wrote in message news:BN6dnbpDwfssR23fRVn-

........Kevin? Can't you respond to folks without insulting them?


Good God! After all this time reading the NG, do you really need to ask
that qustion?

LOL

In the words of JimH, "why the need for personal attacks? Can't you
respond to folks without insulting them?

Now, I wonder why Jim doesn't say the same exact thing to Fritz? Oh, I
know, it's because it would hurt when Fritz pulled his nose out of
Jim's ass.

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill. Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:

*JimH* wrote:
BTW Peter: Once the name calling begins your credibility drops to zero and
shows your inability to carry on a discussion of the issues at hand.


Really? Does this mean that in your opinion, that Fritz isn't credible,

and that his name calling "shows (his) inability to carry on a
discussion of issues at hand"?

Kevin,
How is your sister in laws family doing since the death of your sister in
law. Cancer is a terrible way to die, I hope they were able to control the
pain with medication? Did you make it to the funeral?

If you are in the area anytime soon, you need to give NYOB a call, I am sure
he would like to meet you.


wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

I'm not Kevin

wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Harry,

You are getting as bad as Kevin, you are getting lost in a mental fog. You
said you had JimH filtered in you infamous "bozo bin". Yet you responded to
JimH thinking you were responding to JohnH.

This highlights two interesting points. First, you don't have a "bozo bin",
and second, your mind is not able to distinguish between JimH and JohnH.

Did Kevin share some of his "cash crop" with you?


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?
I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?
Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?


Down in the gutter with the Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz crowd again, Herring?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
Harry,

You are getting as bad as Kevin, you are getting lost in a mental fog.
You said you had JimH filtered in you infamous "bozo bin". Yet you
responded to JimH thinking you were responding to JohnH.

This highlights two interesting points. First, you don't have a "bozo
bin", and second, your mind is not able to distinguish between JimH and
JohnH.

Did Kevin share some of his "cash crop" with you?


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?
I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?
Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?


Down in the gutter with the Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz crowd again, Herring?

Next thing Harry will do is make a post with his name, home address and
telephone number in his signature.

Harry, the first step is you need to start living a healthy lifestyle. You
can read more about that here.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=47677

I would suggest it to Kevin, but I think his FAS and years of drug abuse
have rendered him beyond help.


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
Harry,

You are getting as bad as Kevin, you are getting lost in a mental fog.
You said you had JimH filtered in you infamous "bozo bin". Yet you
responded to JimH thinking you were responding to JohnH.

This highlights two interesting points. First, you don't have a "bozo
bin", and second, your mind is not able to distinguish between JimH and
JohnH.

Did Kevin share some of his "cash crop" with you?


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?
I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?
Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?


Down in the gutter with the Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz crowd again, Herring?

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:57:55 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:16:14 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 1 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Every major legislative initiative
signed by the president this year has been a boon to special
interests,
but ignored the real needs of the American people.
Name one 20th President who has not catered to "special" interests?

Betcha can't.

make that 20th Century President - sorry. :)


It seems as if virtually every Bill Bush signs is a payoff to interests
that do not have the health, welfare, or employment of average Americans
in mind, more so than any other POTUS in my memory.

And that's different from, oh say, Carter who was so incompetent that
he drove the American economy into the ground so hard so fast it took
almost ten years to recover from that mess.

Or Clinton's administration allowing for funky accounting practices
like EBITDA and a SEC that was too lax creating the tech investment
bubble which gave rise to ERON (most of ENRON's fraud occurred during
the Clinton administration - check out any time line you wish).

My point is that every President is prey to charges of favoritism to
his buddies or contributors. They all help their friends.

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.

It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one. As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.

I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

The restriction was government funding of the extra lines of stem cells.
Private money can and should be used.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:01:37 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:57:55 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:16:14 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 1 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Every major legislative initiative
signed by the president this year has been a boon to special
interests,
but ignored the real needs of the American people.
Name one 20th President who has not catered to "special" interests?

Betcha can't.

make that 20th Century President - sorry. :)


It seems as if virtually every Bill Bush signs is a payoff to interests
that do not have the health, welfare, or employment of average Americans
in mind, more so than any other POTUS in my memory.

And that's different from, oh say, Carter who was so incompetent that
he drove the American economy into the ground so hard so fast it took
almost ten years to recover from that mess.

Or Clinton's administration allowing for funky accounting practices
like EBITDA and a SEC that was too lax creating the tech investment
bubble which gave rise to ERON (most of ENRON's fraud occurred during
the Clinton administration - check out any time line you wish).

My point is that every President is prey to charges of favoritism to
his buddies or contributors. They all help their friends.

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.

It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one. As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.

I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

The restriction was government funding of the extra lines of stem cells.
Private money can and should be used.

In either case, it's still something that needs to be thought through
and just not willy nilly done.

As always, your opinion may be different - that's what makes the world
go 'round. :)

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:13:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?
I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?
Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?




Down in the gutter with the Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz crowd again, Herring?

Read much, Krause?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:13:11 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?
I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?
Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?




Down in the gutter with the Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz crowd again, Herring?

Read much, Krause?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Krause got caught in yet another lie.....he said he killfilled me just last
week yet responded directly to my post in this thread, thinking it was you.

How absolutely funny.

Hi Harry! Did the nurse give you your meds on time tonight? ;-)

HarryKrause wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:13:11 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?
I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?

Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?
Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:

As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?



Down in the gutter with the Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz crowd again, Herring?

Read much, Krause?


More than you do, I suspect. You certainly are part of the
Smithers-Hertvik-Fritz club.

I wonder how that works when there is three, four now that NOYB has
joined, hooked ass to nose?

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?

wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?



Why the need for insults and name calling Kevin? Most every post you have
made here this morning is full of the same.

But the point is that you respond to posts directed to Kevin, then claim you
are not Kevin.

Your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.

If you are not Kevin, why do you include his name in your email address and
respond to questions directed to him?

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?



Why the need for insults and name calling Kevin? Most every post you have
made here this morning is full of the same.

I'm not Kevin. Grow up.

But the point is that you respond to posts directed to Kevin, then claim you
are not Kevin.

I respond to posts that are replies to ME, basskisser. YOU in error,
respond to those posts calling me Kevin. It's YOUR problem, not mine.

Your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.

Not one that I use outside of usenet.

If you are not Kevin, why do you include his name in your email address and
respond to questions directed to him?

You just can't quite figure it out, can you?

wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending
bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending
in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to
folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are
Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?



Why the need for insults and name calling Kevin? Most every post you
have
made here this morning is full of the same.

I'm not Kevin. Grow up.


By calling you by your name I need to grow up? By asking you to stop with
the insults and name calling I need to grow up?

Interesting.



But the point is that you respond to posts directed to Kevin, then claim
you
are not Kevin.

I respond to posts that are replies to ME, basskisser. YOU in error,
respond to those posts calling me Kevin. It's YOUR problem, not mine.


I do not respond to posts directed to you Kevin.



Your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.

Not one that I use outside of usenet.


So you admit that your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble. Now
we are getting somewhere.

Again I ask......if you are not Kevin Noble, why do you use his name in your
email address?



If you are not Kevin, why do you include his name in your email address
and
respond to questions directed to him?

You just can't quite figure it out, can you?



I think you have it turned around Kevin.

JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin Noble.
He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email accounts and
GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy, Basskisser or Atl_Cad
his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including the one he used with his
ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and Basskisser both have a sister in
law who lived outside of Naples, that both had cancer, they both grew up in
the same town in upstate NY.

I wonder why anyone thinks he is Kevin Noble? ; )

The more interesting question is: If he isn't Kevin Noble, and he has
decided to use a signature of Kevin Noble in his email, why would he cared
if anyone called him Kevin Noble in rec.boats?


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending
bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's
spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to
folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are
Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?



Why the need for insults and name calling Kevin? Most every post you
have
made here this morning is full of the same.

I'm not Kevin. Grow up.


By calling you by your name I need to grow up? By asking you to stop with
the insults and name calling I need to grow up?

Interesting.



But the point is that you respond to posts directed to Kevin, then claim
you
are not Kevin.

I respond to posts that are replies to ME, basskisser. YOU in error,
respond to those posts calling me Kevin. It's YOUR problem, not mine.


I do not respond to posts directed to you Kevin.



Your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.

Not one that I use outside of usenet.


So you admit that your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.
Now we are getting somewhere.

Again I ask......if you are not Kevin Noble, why do you use his name in
your email address?



If you are not Kevin, why do you include his name in your email address
and
respond to questions directed to him?

You just can't quite figure it out, can you?



I think you have it turned around Kevin.

JimH,
Another question I have is: Why would anyone with as limited mental
capacity as Basskisser ever try to lie?


"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message news:...
JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin Noble.
He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email accounts and
GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy, Basskisser or Atl_Cad
his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including the one he used with his
ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and Basskisser both have a sister in
law who lived outside of Naples, that both had cancer, they both grew up
in the same town in upstate NY.

I wonder why anyone thinks he is Kevin Noble? ; )

The more interesting question is: If he isn't Kevin Noble, and he has
decided to use a signature of Kevin Noble in his email, why would he cared
if anyone called him Kevin Noble in rec.boats?


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending
bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's
spending in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to
folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are
Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?



Why the need for insults and name calling Kevin? Most every post you
have
made here this morning is full of the same.

I'm not Kevin. Grow up.


By calling you by your name I need to grow up? By asking you to stop
with the insults and name calling I need to grow up?

Interesting.



But the point is that you respond to posts directed to Kevin, then
claim you
are not Kevin.

I respond to posts that are replies to ME, basskisser. YOU in error,
respond to those posts calling me Kevin. It's YOUR problem, not mine.


I do not respond to posts directed to you Kevin.



Your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.

Not one that I use outside of usenet.


So you admit that your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.
Now we are getting somewhere.

Again I ask......if you are not Kevin Noble, why do you use his name in
your email address?



If you are not Kevin, why do you include his name in your email address
and
respond to questions directed to him?

You just can't quite figure it out, can you?



I think you have it turned around Kevin.

"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin Noble.
He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email accounts and
GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy, Basskisser or Atl_Cad
his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including the one he used with his
ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and Basskisser both have a sister in
law who lived outside of Naples

Tampa...not Naples. Kevin worked construction site security when the Naples
Wal-Mart was being built.

NOYB,

Thanks, I stand corrected.

I will accept this correction this time, but next time I am coming down to
Naples and spit in your face. ; )


"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin
Noble. He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email
accounts and GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy,
Basskisser or Atl_Cad his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including
the one he used with his ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and
Basskisser both have a sister in law who lived outside of Naples

Tampa...not Naples. Kevin worked construction site security when the
Naples Wal-Mart was being built.

NOYB wrote:
"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin Noble.
He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email accounts and
GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy, Basskisser or Atl_Cad
his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including the one he used with his
ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and Basskisser both have a sister in
law who lived outside of Naples

Tampa...not Naples. Kevin worked construction site security when the Naples
Wal-Mart was being built.

Kevin may have, but I have not, idiot. IF you are speaking in error
about me, please show any evidence you have of your childish lies and
petty insults.

Bassy,
Since you use the name Kevin Noble in your email accounts, why do you care
is anyone calls you Kevin Noble in rec.boats?


wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin
Noble.
He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email accounts
and
GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy, Basskisser or
Atl_Cad
his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including the one he used with
his
ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and Basskisser both have a sister
in
law who lived outside of Naples

Tampa...not Naples. Kevin worked construction site security when the
Naples
Wal-Mart was being built.

Kevin may have, but I have not, idiot. IF you are speaking in error
about me, please show any evidence you have of your childish lies and
petty insults.

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Jack Smith" JohnSmithers@hotmailcom wrote in message
...
JimH,

Kevin sent me, and many others email, that listed his name as Kevin
Noble.
He has used the Kevin Noble name in two different Yahoo email accounts
and
GMail account. When his Usenet nick was Jim Dandy, Basskisser or
Atl_Cad
his name on his email was Kevin Noble, including the one he used with
his
ISP, not his web based email. Kevin and Basskisser both have a sister
in
law who lived outside of Naples

Tampa...not Naples. Kevin worked construction site security when the
Naples
Wal-Mart was being built.

Kevin may have, but I have not

Is that "usenet Kevin"? Or real-life Kevin? Or is the pot making it too
hard to concentrate?

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Bill McKee wrote:

There was something like 20% pork in the first Iraq spending
bill.
Lots
to
Democrats also. Why are Byrd and Kennedy so popular in their
states?
They
bring home the pork! Where was your outrage then?

I've publicly stated here that I don't agree with Byrd's spending
in
his state. I guess, as usual, you didn't comprehend that, huh?


Why the need for a personal attack Kevin? Can't you respond to
folks
without insulting them?

Aren't you going to answer this, that I posted to you earlier?:


As you are responding to a post I made to Kevin, I assume you are
Kevin
Noble from Snellville, GA. How are you doing Kevin?

Learn to read, asshole. In usenet, you can respond to any post,
regardless of who it was intended for. You've responded to posts that
I've made directly to others, including Harry. SO, following your
idiotic analogy above, YOU are Harry. Now, see how stupid you made
yourself sound?



Why the need for insults and name calling Kevin? Most every post you
have
made here this morning is full of the same.

I'm not Kevin. Grow up.


By calling you by your name I need to grow up? By asking you to stop with
the insults and name calling I need to grow up?

I'm not Kevin, and you are a petty, and dumb liar.

Interesting.

Not too much in the cranial cavity if you find it interesting that I'm
not Kevin. You dumb ass, awhile back, I even let my name slip in here
when I posted something that someone sent me, but alas you aren't
bright enough to catch things like that.



But the point is that you respond to posts directed to Kevin, then claim
you
are not Kevin.

I respond to posts that are replies to ME, basskisser. YOU in error,
respond to those posts calling me Kevin. It's YOUR problem, not mine.


I do not respond to posts directed to you Kevin.

I'm not Kevin.



Your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble.

Not one that I use outside of usenet.


So you admit that your email address contains the name Kevin or KNoble. Now
we are getting somewhere.

Again I ask......if you are not Kevin Noble, why do you use his name in your
email address?

Because I choose to.



If you are not Kevin, why do you include his name in your email address
and
respond to questions directed to him?

You just can't quite figure it out, can you?



I think you have it turned around Kevin.

I think you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered.

Now, again, dumb ass, I'll be in Cleveland around the middle of this
month. Want to meet? I'll show you my driver's license. THEN will you
be man enough to tell the group that you, and your lemmings are dead
wrong?