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I would think that the person you are talking about would love
to
get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any
basis
of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to
would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to
know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is
married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man
shirtless
man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing
suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to
making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post
via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would
not
want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual
associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and
it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a
good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the
woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being
proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your
part...but
not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat
dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating
business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the
Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or
product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would
reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that
a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person
by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and
know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they
won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


I figured that a spin such as the one you posted would be your final
answer.
Fair enough.

Facts: The publication in question is regional (as you stated). However
you chose to make it an international story by posting it to this
NG......and you posted your name (and reputation) to it by posting it
here.....bad call Chuck. Real bad call.

But at least we now know where you stand on spreading rumors about folks
that you work with that could ruin their life.

What a guy you are!


Round and round we go.

Please provide a straight answer here. Who is the "rumor" about?


As you surmised so would the person him/herself as would the many of the
boat dealership salespersons and executives in your area.

In
order to "ruin a life" one would have to know which life to ruin,
correct?

Yep. See my earlier comment.

If the *story* were kept to the magazine cover the *story* would be for the
regional reader to imagine and the responsibility of the magazine that
published it. You, however, narrowed the subject matter to a local Seattle
dealership executive who did not deal with Bayliners and then made the
allegation that the guy was perhaps cheating on his wife. ....a pretty
broad leap and (legally) a potentially damaging post. To make matters
worse you admitted that you have nothing to base your allegations on other
than rumor and assumptions....yet you made the allegations in a public NG
for the world to see.

OMG

You have set yourself up for one hell of a lawsuit Chuck. Rest assured
however that I will not be the origin of it, although I certainly can.

Think next time you post. Your initial post could indeed ruin a life and a
marriage.

Spin it any way you want....but I again say............shame on you Chuck.

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*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love
to
get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any
basis
of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to
would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to
know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without
my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is
married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man
shirtless
man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing
suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to
making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post
via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would
not
want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual
associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person-
and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a
good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the
woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being
proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your
part...but
not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat
dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating
business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the
Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments
in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or
product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would
reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean
that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the
person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and
know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they
won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it
even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


I figured that a spin such as the one you posted would be your final
answer.
Fair enough.

Facts: The publication in question is regional (as you stated).
However
you chose to make it an international story by posting it to this
NG......and you posted your name (and reputation) to it by posting it
here.....bad call Chuck. Real bad call.

But at least we now know where you stand on spreading rumors about folks
that you work with that could ruin their life.

What a guy you are!


Round and round we go.

Please provide a straight answer here. Who is the "rumor" about?


As you surmised, so would the person him/herself, as would many of the
boat dealership salespersons and executives in your area.

In
order to "ruin a life" one would have to know which life to ruin,
correct?

Yes. See my earlier comment.

If the *story* were kept to the magazine cover the *story* would be for
the regional reader to imagine and the responsibility of the magazine that
published it. *You*, however, narrowed the subject matter to a local
Seattle dealership executive who did not deal with Bayliners, and then
made the allegation that the guy was perhaps cheating on his wife. ....a
pretty broad leap and (legally) a potentially damaging post. To make
matters worse you admitted that you have nothing to base your allegations
on other than rumor and assumptions....yet you made the allegations in a
public NG for the world to see.

OMG

You have set yourself up for one hell of a lawsuit Chuck. Rest assured
however that I will not be the origin of it, although I certainly can.

Think next time you post. Your initial post could indeed ruin a life and
a marriage, not considering what it could do to your life and reputation.

Spin it any way you want....but I again say............shame on you Chuck.


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I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


You know, you may have to 'let' Jimh win one to get him off your back.
Otherwise, he's like some half blind, old hounddog sniffing after you
every chance he gets.

That's a good idea. JimH, you win this one. If the party the photo
appears to depict is enjoing an outing on a competitor's boat and his
relationship, if any, to the woman on the bow is unknwon it is
certainly my remark that such a photo of an unnamed person exists (a
remark that will be viewed by about 20 people) rather than the photo
itself (that could be viewed by about 1000 times as many people) that
will ruin his life. Of course you're right. How could I fail to see
such an obvious fact? I'll get out my calendar and circle the date,
and make a little note- "JimH won." In fact, I might as well say, "JimH
beat the living crap out of me". :-)

I found the original post *quite* amusing!

....But not nearly as amusing as the [insert appropriate invective here]
that followed it! ;-)

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The August issue of one of our competing publications appeared on the
news stands today. This particular magazine is known for impressive
photographs on the cover.

This month's cover features a brand new (no state-reg numbers)
Bayliner
in front of some houseboats on Lake Union in Seattle.
A shapely young woman in a blue bathing suit is sitting on the bow,
and
a well tanned, dark haired gentleman is standing, shirtless, behind
the
helm.

Upon taking a closer look, the gentleman at the wheel is a dead ringer
for one of the upper level people at a local boat dealership that
*does
not carry* Bayliners. (It's either him, or a virtually identical
twin!)

Who, the guy from Lake Union Sea Ray/Boston Whaler ?
Right next door is Olympic Yacht Center - they are all in
Ka-hoots with each other, right ? (not that this is a bad thing,
just calls em as I see's em)



The individual on the cover is, or is a dead ringer for, a person
associated with a large boat dealerhsip but not either of the firms you
mentioned. In fact, the firm doesn't even have a sales office on Lake
Union.

So whats the name of the mag? - I want to get a copy.



I'd disagree about the local dealers all being in ka-hoots.

Fair enough. I have little experience with them acutally
since this new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri is the first "real"
boat that I ever bought. The Zodiac I got last year at
Boaters World doesn't really count.

The boat
sales business doesn't (usually) get as competitively nasty as some
other industries, but each firm is there to land your business rather
than assist somebody else in doing the same. Buying boats from a common
mfgr. corp (Brunswick) doesn't put these dealers in kahoots any more
than the Buick and Cadillac auto dealers are conspiring together
because they both buy cars from GM. Buying boats from a common mfgr
*does* influence some things that are beyond the dealer's control, such
as discount from retail to wholesale, overall warranty philosophy and
remibuirsement, factory parts availability, etc.

Agree. My comment was probably an unwarranted cheap-shot.
Duely retracted. Actually, Olympic Yacht Center was nothing
less than stand-up, professional, and very LOW pressure when
I was hounding them for info. Actually, the folks at the main
Olympic Boat Center were of the same caliber. I was impressed.









If this is the individual the photo almost certainly depicts, he must
not have known he was being photographed. (Model releases aren't
generally required for pictures taken in public places).

Just after I got done chuckling over how awkward it would be to be
photographed in a new Bayliner when one is not a Bayliner dealer, I
had
a horrifying thought: Since (if it's the guy it appears to be) he
likely didn't know he was being photographed, I sure hope that if he's
married it's to that woman on the foredeck! :-)

Reminds me of a guy I once knew who got busted for cuddling with his
mistress at a Sonics game. He phoned home to say he would be working
late, "taking inventory." His now-ex wife had nothing better to do
than watch the basketball game on TV while her hubby slaved away at
the
shop, and then the camera zoomed on a couple of lovers in the
crowd........

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Reminds me of a guy I once knew who got busted for cuddling with his
mistress at a Sonics game. He phoned home to say he would be working
late, "taking inventory." His now-ex wife had nothing better to do
than watch the basketball game on TV while her hubby slaved away at the
shop, and then the camera zoomed on a couple of lovers in the
crowd........


My friend Mike, whose name ends with a vowel, says his dad taught him that
no matter WHAT you're caught doing, deny it.

Niiiice ..... So am I to assume that you admire Mikes Dad's advice ?


Period. Claims it's an Italian thing.

Sounds more like a "Baghdad Bob" thing actually.

actentThere are _no_ Americans at the airport,
those people you see in the background are NOT
American.../acent hehe



Even if you're caught on videotape - "Nah...wasn't me".

Yup!,.... Right from the official website:
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:45:22 -0400, "Mr. R. Name"
wrote:

JimH,
I think you are getting carried away here.

Agreed!

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On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

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JimH,
I think you are getting carried away here.

Agreed!

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On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Agreed.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:45:29 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


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*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to
get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis
of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to
would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to
know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless
man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to
making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being
proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your part...but
not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat
dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating
business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the
Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want
to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


I figured that a spin such as the one you posted would be your final answer.
Fair enough.

Facts: The publication in question is regional (as you stated). However
you chose to make it an international story by posting it to this
NG......and you posted your name (and reputation) to it by posting it
here.....bad call Chuck. Real bad call.

But at least we now know where you stand on spreading rumors about folks
that you work with that could ruin their life.

What a guy you are!


Jim, you're starting to sound a lot like Kevin with this stuff.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:45:29 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


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*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to
get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis
of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to
would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to
know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is
married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless
man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing
suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to
making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual
associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and
it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a
good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the
woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being
proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your
part...but
not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat
dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating
business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the
Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or
product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that
a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person
by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and
know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


I figured that a spin such as the one you posted would be your final
answer.
Fair enough.

Facts: The publication in question is regional (as you stated). However
you chose to make it an international story by posting it to this
NG......and you posted your name (and reputation) to it by posting it
here.....bad call Chuck. Real bad call.

But at least we now know where you stand on spreading rumors about folks
that you work with that could ruin their life.

What a guy you are!


Jim, you're starting to sound a lot like Kevin with this stuff.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

That is the 2nd time you said that (or something similar). Are you going to
go for a 3rd John?

I am entitled to my opinion and I stated it. Chuck is as guilty as I am for
drawing the stupid discussion out to the point that he did.

End of story for me....go ahead Chuck.....you always have to have the last
word.