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Larry July 19th 05 03:49 PM

Sailnet - Dot Bomb?
 
Over in the binary group alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean I have posted
the pictures of my visit to Sailnet's main headquarters in N Charleston
TWICE this morning, just to make sure. Their hours were 0830-1700 ET so I
went there at 9AM. While I was in the parking lot, another sailor drove in
and said he couldn't get them on the local phone, get emails answered or
FAX them, either. He came to see what I saw.

At 9AM, as you can see in the pictures, the building was locked, a sign
said CLOSED stuck to the front door, the building was dark save for one
night light in the lobby, but, curiously, right inside the front door was a
running copy machine, which may also be the FAX machine. Its LCD display
was lit up. There's still power to the building.

Well, after going nowhere at 9AM, I walked across the parking lot to
Hospice of Charleston in the next building over and talked to the nice
ladies who were watering their sidewalk garden. I asked them if they'd
seen anyone at Sailnet, recently. One lady said she hadn't seen anyone in
the parking lot for "some time", as she put it. I walked around to the
County Clerk of Court's office in the back of the building and talked to
the ladies through the prison bars that protect them from angry voters.
They hadn't really noticed any activity, but weren't looking much.
Government employees, they run in a vacuum it seems. I wondered as I left
if they would have even notice the building burning they were in.

I went off to shop my local favorite thrift shop (found a brand new
fishtape, first class quality for $5). As it was after 10AM, I wandered
back to Sailnet to see if anyone had shown up. They had! There was a
nice, grey Mercedes C-230 sports car (see photo) parked in the closest slot
to the building, so I got out of my car, again, and went up to peer into
the darkened building. I knocked and knocked on the front door...no
answer. I walked around to the side of the building where their other
business, something called Oroton-something, and found the keyless entry
door also locked and no response to my knocking. I kept an eye on the
front of the building while I sat in the car, but finally gave up as
whoever was inside never appeared at any of the windows I could see. Maybe
he was contemplating Peggie Hall's latest suggestions while sitting on a
Porta-Pottie in the employee lounge. Maybe he was hiding, afraid I'd punch
out his lights for not delivering my stuff...(c;

Note to Scott - No rigging and no answers to many poundings. Sorry I can't
get to your rigging. If you need to have it picked up and can get the
building opened, I'd be glad to take it away for you to have it picked up
at my place.

I'm not saying Sailnet is history. Maybe they're relocating to palacial
new facilities in some posh industrial area, with 4 times the floor space.
But, from what you and I can see today.....it looks like they are DOT
BOMB...

If you're waiting for delivery on your credit card orders, better call your
card company and warn them. If you look at the Mercedes in the picture,
you'll see I handily photographed the LICENSE NUMBER, a SC tag that can be
traced to a person. Two places come to mind who might be interested in
your fraud case:

Charleston County Sheriff's Office - 843-554-4700
North Charleston City Hall/Cops - 843-554-5700

Ask them what they know and let them know you got no response.

If any of you are already members of Sailnet's webpage forums, you might
want to copy and paste this message and the pictures to their forum pages.
From reading a few of the posts, most people there don't even know usenet
exists, much less these newsgroups.

--
Larry

Black Dog July 19th 05 07:20 PM

Larry wrote:

I'm not saying Sailnet is history. Maybe they're relocating to palacial
new facilities in some posh industrial area, with 4 times the floor space.
But, from what you and I can see today.....it looks like they are DOT
BOMB...


Front page of their website states:

Excuse us while we make some changes.
Checkout is temporarily disabled.
Feel free to browse the site.



Looks mighty suspicious.

Stella

[email protected] July 20th 05 06:03 PM

I recently placed an order for a few items on clearance at Sailnet.com
online (that should have given me the first clue, all I saw was great
prices), and actually received part of my order. However the item I
wanted most, an ACR Rapid Ditch Bag for $65 (retail $135 at West
Marine), did not come with the order. I received it on Saturday, July
16. Since Monday I've tried to reach them - their customer service line
says to leave a message but the voice mail box is FULL, their sales
line says DON'T leave a message, send email, but multiple emails to
and have not yielded
any results. Anyone know who owns the company now? Any other phone
numbers I can call? I've already had my credit card company put the
amount in dispute and they've credited me back.


Larry July 20th 05 06:59 PM

wrote in
oups.com:

I recently placed an order for a few items on clearance at Sailnet.com
online (that should have given me the first clue, all I saw was great
prices), and actually received part of my order. However the item I
wanted most, an ACR Rapid Ditch Bag for $65 (retail $135 at West
Marine), did not come with the order. I received it on Saturday, July
16. Since Monday I've tried to reach them - their customer service line
says to leave a message but the voice mail box is FULL, their sales
line says DON'T leave a message, send email, but multiple emails to
and have not yielded
any results. Anyone know who owns the company now? Any other phone
numbers I can call? I've already had my credit card company put the
amount in dispute and they've credited me back.




If what I saw Tuesday was any indication, the "staff" may be just one guy
trying to dump all those orders into boxes, the guy with the Mercedes. If
that's so, he has noone to answer the phones and may be just printing the
orders from email and heading out into the warehouse to see what he can
salvage from the shelving. When he doesn't find it, he deletes it from the
online catalog inventory, which may be why there's so many missing
catagories so suddenly.

I wouldn't trust them with my credit card info....not now....


--
Larry

Larry July 23rd 05 02:30 AM

Larry wrote in :

Over


In the local Business Section of the Charleston News & Courier daily
newspaper, here, there is a front page article discussing what happened to
Sailnet and a story about its demise....

Dot Bomb, indeed.

http://www.charleston.net/stories/?n...ction=business
but they think they're the damned NY Times down there and want your logon
info so they can hand you over to the spammers...Caveat Emptor, indeed.

--
Larry

Roger Long July 23rd 05 01:04 PM

Would you (or someone) please give us a quick summary of what they
said?

--

Roger Long



"Larry" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote in
:

Over


In the local Business Section of the Charleston News & Courier daily
newspaper, here, there is a front page article discussing what
happened to
Sailnet and a story about its demise....

Dot Bomb, indeed.

http://www.charleston.net/stories/?n...ction=business
but they think they're the damned NY Times down there and want your
logon
info so they can hand you over to the spammers...Caveat Emptor,
indeed.

--
Larry




Larry July 23rd 05 01:32 PM

"Roger Long" wrote in
:

Would you (or someone) please give us a quick summary of what they
said?



Basically, they expanded too fast for conditions. Too much spending and
overextended themselves, like most dot.com companies did during the boom
times. The red ink got to the investors in California and it was decided
to cease operations to lick their wounds and get out, instead of pouring
more money down a losing hole. After the initial blast of orders, times
got tougher and orders dried up, putting all this spending way in the red.

Sound familiar?

--
Larry

thunder July 23rd 05 01:57 PM

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:30:44 -0400, Larry wrote:


http://www.charleston.net/stories/?n...ction=business but they
think they're the damned NY Times down there and want your logon info so
they can hand you over to the spammers...Caveat Emptor, indeed.


If you are concerned about spam, you can use a disposable email forwarder
such as:

http://sneakemail.com/info.pl?sel=quick

If you get any spam traced to the site, just disable that email addy.

Ken Corbett July 25th 05 03:37 AM

No need to logon. Just enter Sailnet in search on Home page and select first
article and you will be able to read all about it.

Wonder what will happen to all the email archives. Good information there?

Ken
"Larry" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote in :

Over


In the local Business Section of the Charleston News & Courier daily
newspaper, here, there is a front page article discussing what happened to
Sailnet and a story about its demise....

Dot Bomb, indeed.

http://www.charleston.net/stories/?n...ction=business
but they think they're the damned NY Times down there and want your logon
info so they can hand you over to the spammers...Caveat Emptor, indeed.

--
Larry




Larry July 25th 05 06:53 PM

"Ken Corbett" wrote in
:

Wonder what will happen to all the email archives. Good information
there?


As soon as the server company doesn't get paid, it will all be erased....

--
Larry

[email protected] July 26th 05 12:06 AM

Just received an email from Sailnet:

"It has come to the attention of SailNet that postings have appeared on
unmoderated forums that we host containing rumors and allegations
against
former and current management. We have no knowledge that any of the
claims
or allegations in these postings are true. We are attempting to remove
as
many of these unmoderated postings as possible.

The authors of any such postings will be held fully and solely
responsible
and liable for their content."

?????????????????


[email protected] July 26th 05 12:06 AM

Just received an email from Sailnet:

"It has come to the attention of SailNet that postings have appeared on
unmoderated forums that we host containing rumors and allegations
against
former and current management. We have no knowledge that any of the
claims
or allegations in these postings are true. We are attempting to remove
as
many of these unmoderated postings as possible.

The authors of any such postings will be held fully and solely
responsible
and liable for their content."

?????????????????


Larry July 26th 05 04:08 AM

wrote in
ups.com:

The authors of any such postings will be held fully and solely
responsible
and liable for their content."

?????????????????



Exactly why I posted that this was my observations, first hand at their
closed headquarters....

Others posted their own letter content, which is fine, too.

Sailnet can also kiss my ass, if they like...(c; What I posted here was
not near as bad as what was said about them by the Charleston News and
Courier front page newspaper article in the Business Section....

--
Larry

Tom Shilson July 26th 05 04:58 PM

wrote:
Just received an email from Sailnet:

"It has come to the attention of SailNet that postings have appeared on

...snip...
and liable for their content."

?????????????????


Sounds like SailNet CYA legal-speak.

dddf August 18th 05 01:24 AM

Tom Shilson wrote:
wrote:
Just received an email from Sailnet:

"It has come to the attention of SailNet that postings have appeared on

...snip...
and liable for their content."

?????????????????


Sounds like SailNet CYA legal-speak.


If I recall items cannot be charged to your credit card until they are
shipped. This used to be a federal law but many states include these
codes verbatim in their state code. The best way to go about this is go
to your "local" ( sailor? ), try several Federal, sometimes state,
congress persons. Senator's offices are normally too busy but try.
Also it helps to get a bunch of people and go into their office
together then periodically send a new person in to complain to the
contact person.

Sometimes local law enforcement help but that is usually a joke. It
also may not be a crime. But I seem to recall it was.

The Feds had over 280,000 complaints about a debt collection agency
before they fined them $100,000. So federal law enforcement is a joke
unless ..... it comes from someone ..... a congress person's
office....

PS: loved the Sailnet site but what is this &$$$&%%^$%^$#$%^# Legal
proceedings against posters???? If Sailnet does file the posters are
going to end up with that Mercedes parked out front and a lot more.

SAILNET SUE ME PLEASE I WANT A 50+ FOOTER PLEASE PLEASE SUE ME
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Larry August 18th 05 02:01 AM

"dddf" wrote in
oups.com:

SAILNET SUE ME PLEASE I WANT A 50+ FOOTER PLEASE PLEASE SUE ME


I'm sorta hoping the Mercedes I took the picture of comes up for auction by
the bankrupcy court....(c;

--
Larry


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