How often do you...........
 

................backup your hard drive?

I back mine up to an external hard drive once a month using 'Acronis True
Image'......an excellent program.

Doing so has saved my tail a couple of times when XP System Restore failed
me.

BTW: This is rec.boats related and not OT as you need a computer to access
this site. ;-)

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...
...............backup your hard drive?

I back mine up to an external hard drive once a month using 'Acronis True
Image'......an excellent program.

Doing so has saved my tail a couple of times when XP System Restore failed
me.

BTW: This is rec.boats related and not OT as you need a computer to
access this site. ;-)


I second Acronis... its probably the best utility ever made...

Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.

If your data has absolutely no monetary value, that's a very bad idea for a
number of reasons.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
link.net...
Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:21:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If your data has absolutely no monetary value, that's a very bad idea for
a
number of reasons.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
thlink.net...
Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.





1) Do you second Acronis

2) What media do you back-up *to*?

First - my last sentence was stupid - should've read "If your data HAS
monetary value". :-) Duh.

1) Never used Acronix. I use a Seagate product that I've had for years. Used
to be a Symantec thing that the company abandoned for no particularly good
reason.

2) I back up to a tape drive. 4 tapes:

Two tapes are used on alternating days for the incremental backups. This
way, if one goes bad, I only lose a day's worth of data.

Two tapes are used for the full backups. One is always in a safe deposit box
two minutes from the house, and is swapped with the next one the following
week. The one in the house lives in a fire safe until it leaves for the
bank.

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both is
extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I put my
Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of the stuff,
is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going to take to
backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can boot in
minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then get a raid
system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.



That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not even
worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not really a
backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data protection,
need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud

"Argyle" argyle@nospam wrote in message
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For virus protection, unfortunately, Symantic Antivirus is a not a good
choice.

What's NAV got to do with backups???

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Argyle wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:20:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both
is extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I
put my Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of
the stuff, is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going
to take to backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can
boot in minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then
get a raid system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.

That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not
even worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not really
a backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data
protection, need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud

In business, you have a second server backing the primary. Use double
density CDs to backup the daily changes. Store them off site. That is
where
the secretary comes in handy. Every day she runs a backup and the discs
are
stored offsite.

For virus protection, unfortunately, Symantic Antivirus is a not a good
choice. From experience, it had changed all of the file dates on our
files
on our server to the current date when my sales manager did a search for
a
specific proposal. We banned Symantics at the office. Try to imagine
finding
the most recent version of a proposal or software when all the dates and
times are the same.


A regular rocket scientist you are. I've been using NAV for years and
hever had a problem with it on stand-alone or server-backed systems.

Try reading the manual or find yourself a sales manager who has.




RTFM still does not cure all the problems that NAV has at times. It screws
up lots of software, especially during upgrades and installs. You have to
deactivate it for certain processes. Better than most AV programs. And is
reasonable.

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:20:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both is
extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I put
my
Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of the stuff,
is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going to take to
backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can boot in
minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then get a raid
system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.


Well, Bill, if you don't care about data protection, then I agree that a
second
drive is adequate in your case. It's barely better than no backup at all
for the
majority of things that can go wrong.

Meanwhile, the purpose of data backups is to prevent loss. Almost everyone
has
fire insurance on their homes, yet very few ever need it. Rarity of loss
is not
the criteria, value of the data is the criteria. Power problems taking out
drives or causing data corruption is rare, but IT HAPPENS. That's what
backups
are for. If those things did not happen, no one would need backups at all.

It doesn't matter how long my home backups take, as I am asleep when they
are
being made. I take the DVD to work, figuring that my house and office will
hopefully not both burn down the same day. If they do, then I'm out of
luck!
I've greatly reduced my risk though... A second hard drive barely does
anything
to reduce your risk. It is about the weakest system of backup. Very
convenient,
perhaps, but safety is rarely measured by convenience. Most safety
measures in
any area, come at the cost of some convenience.

At work, our MAN has over 50 servers and all data gets backed up to a
central
backup system every night. Those tapes are picked up by a service and
taken
offsite for safekeeping.

rusty redcloud



"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.



That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not even
worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not really
a
backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data protection,
need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud



When I was in the business world, I did backups to tapes and stored offsite.
For most home computers, how much have you lost? Your email history? I
understand backups very well as I designed disk subsystems as well as the
disk drives. Search the US PTO and you can even see my name on disk drive
patent.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:20:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both
is
extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I put
my
Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of the
stuff,
is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going to take to
backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can boot in
minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then get a raid
system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.


Well, Bill, if you don't care about data protection, then I agree that a
second
drive is adequate in your case. It's barely better than no backup at all
for the
majority of things that can go wrong.

Meanwhile, the purpose of data backups is to prevent loss. Almost
everyone has
fire insurance on their homes, yet very few ever need it. Rarity of loss
is not
the criteria, value of the data is the criteria. Power problems taking
out
drives or causing data corruption is rare, but IT HAPPENS. That's what
backups
are for. If those things did not happen, no one would need backups at
all.

It doesn't matter how long my home backups take, as I am asleep when they
are
being made. I take the DVD to work, figuring that my house and office
will
hopefully not both burn down the same day. If they do, then I'm out of
luck!
I've greatly reduced my risk though... A second hard drive barely does
anything
to reduce your risk. It is about the weakest system of backup. Very
convenient,
perhaps, but safety is rarely measured by convenience. Most safety
measures in
any area, come at the cost of some convenience.

At work, our MAN has over 50 servers and all data gets backed up to a
central
backup system every night. Those tapes are picked up by a service and
taken
offsite for safekeeping.

rusty redcloud



"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.



That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not
even
worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not really
a
backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data
protection,
need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud



When I was in the business world, I did backups to tapes and stored
offsite. For most home computers, how much have you lost? Your email
history? I understand backups very well as I designed disk subsystems as
well as the disk drives. Search the US PTO and you can even see my name
on disk drive patent.


It indeed makes sense for a business to backup regularly and store the
backup tapes off site (as simple as having a trusted employee bringing them
home.).

I do backups on my personal computer only so I do not have to do a full
reinstall in the event of a problem. It can take a full day just to
reformat, then reinstall the OS and programs. I do not, however, go to the
extreme of taking my backup off site.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:20:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both
is
extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I put
my
Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of the
stuff,
is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going to take to
backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can boot in
minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then get a raid
system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.


Well, Bill, if you don't care about data protection, then I agree that a
second
drive is adequate in your case. It's barely better than no backup at all
for the
majority of things that can go wrong.

Meanwhile, the purpose of data backups is to prevent loss. Almost
everyone
has
fire insurance on their homes, yet very few ever need it. Rarity of loss
is not
the criteria, value of the data is the criteria. Power problems taking
out
drives or causing data corruption is rare, but IT HAPPENS. That's what
backups
are for. If those things did not happen, no one would need backups at
all.

It doesn't matter how long my home backups take, as I am asleep when
they
are
being made. I take the DVD to work, figuring that my house and office
will
hopefully not both burn down the same day. If they do, then I'm out of
luck!
I've greatly reduced my risk though... A second hard drive barely does
anything
to reduce your risk. It is about the weakest system of backup. Very
convenient,
perhaps, but safety is rarely measured by convenience. Most safety
measures in
any area, come at the cost of some convenience.

At work, our MAN has over 50 servers and all data gets backed up to a
central
backup system every night. Those tapes are picked up by a service and
taken
offsite for safekeeping.

rusty redcloud



"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.



That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not
even
worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your
backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not
really
a
backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data
protection,
need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud



When I was in the business world, I did backups to tapes and stored
offsite.
For most home computers, how much have you lost? Your email history? I
understand backups very well as I designed disk subsystems as well as the
disk drives. Search the US PTO and you can even see my name on disk drive
patent.

Not bad for a "handyman" ;-)

There can be some information on your home computers that cant be replace,
not just emails are kept on home computers. What about if you are using it
for geneolgy ? Or photos of your family that were taken with a ditigal cam?
Its foolish to say all your going to lose is emails. Each person uses there
home computers for different things, thus I feel back ups are very important
to some and not as to others. I know im using my computer at home for
college course work, I do make backs ups becuase of the time i have into it.
Just my opinion ;)

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:20:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both
is
extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I put
my
Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of the
stuff,
is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going to take to
backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can boot in
minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then get a raid
system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.


Well, Bill, if you don't care about data protection, then I agree that a
second
drive is adequate in your case. It's barely better than no backup at all
for the
majority of things that can go wrong.

Meanwhile, the purpose of data backups is to prevent loss. Almost
everyone has
fire insurance on their homes, yet very few ever need it. Rarity of loss
is not
the criteria, value of the data is the criteria. Power problems taking
out
drives or causing data corruption is rare, but IT HAPPENS. That's what
backups
are for. If those things did not happen, no one would need backups at
all.

It doesn't matter how long my home backups take, as I am asleep when they
are
being made. I take the DVD to work, figuring that my house and office
will
hopefully not both burn down the same day. If they do, then I'm out of
luck!
I've greatly reduced my risk though... A second hard drive barely does
anything
to reduce your risk. It is about the weakest system of backup. Very
convenient,
perhaps, but safety is rarely measured by convenience. Most safety
measures in
any area, come at the cost of some convenience.

At work, our MAN has over 50 servers and all data gets backed up to a
central
backup system every night. Those tapes are picked up by a service and
taken
offsite for safekeeping.

rusty redcloud



"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.



That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not
even
worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not really
a
backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data
protection,
need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud



When I was in the business world, I did backups to tapes and stored
offsite. For most home computers, how much have you lost? Your email
history? I understand backups very well as I designed disk subsystems as
well as the disk drives. Search the US PTO and you can even see my name
on disk drive patent.

As I said earlier, you can back up to removable media, the stuff that is
really important. Most of the stuff, on the home PC is replaceable /
rebuildable.
Bill

"ed" wrote in message
...
There can be some information on your home computers that cant be replace,
not just emails are kept on home computers. What about if you are using it
for geneolgy ? Or photos of your family that were taken with a ditigal
cam? Its foolish to say all your going to lose is emails. Each person uses
there home computers for different things, thus I feel back ups are very
important to some and not as to others. I know im using my computer at
home for college course work, I do make backs ups becuase of the time i
have into it. Just my opinion ;)

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:20:13 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Most power problems, etc, do not take out the drive, so taking out both
is
extremely rare.. But how much info do you really need to backup? I put
my
Excel and .doc and quickbooks data on a CD each month. Most of the
stuff,
is rebuildable or not really needed. And how long you going to take to
backup your system? Using a 2nd drive and xcopy and you can boot in
minutes. You running a business, depending on the data, then get a raid
system and large removable drives. And keep them offsite.


Well, Bill, if you don't care about data protection, then I agree that a
second
drive is adequate in your case. It's barely better than no backup at all
for the
majority of things that can go wrong.

Meanwhile, the purpose of data backups is to prevent loss. Almost
everyone has
fire insurance on their homes, yet very few ever need it. Rarity of loss
is not
the criteria, value of the data is the criteria. Power problems taking
out
drives or causing data corruption is rare, but IT HAPPENS. That's what
backups
are for. If those things did not happen, no one would need backups at
all.

It doesn't matter how long my home backups take, as I am asleep when
they are
being made. I take the DVD to work, figuring that my house and office
will
hopefully not both burn down the same day. If they do, then I'm out of
luck!
I've greatly reduced my risk though... A second hard drive barely does
anything
to reduce your risk. It is about the weakest system of backup. Very
convenient,
perhaps, but safety is rarely measured by convenience. Most safety
measures in
any area, come at the cost of some convenience.

At work, our MAN has over 50 servers and all data gets backed up to a
central
backup system every night. Those tapes are picked up by a service and
taken
offsite for safekeeping.

rusty redcloud



"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:05:12 GMT, "Bill McKee"

wrote:

Put a 2nd as big disk in and just back up to it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Full backup once a week, incrementals every night.



That's about the weakest form of "backup" there is. It's almost not
even
worth
doing. Most things that cause data loss would cause loss of your
backup
drive as
well. Virus? Power surge? Fire? Theft? File corruption? It's not
really a
backup
if it is part of the computer. Backups, to be effective data
protection,
need to
be on removable media, and stored offsite.

rusty redcloud



When I was in the business world, I did backups to tapes and stored
offsite. For most home computers, how much have you lost? Your email
history? I understand backups very well as I designed disk subsystems as
well as the disk drives. Search the US PTO and you can even see my name
on disk drive patent.