Gould, it's 2.1 x 6, you get 12.6.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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A fully charged 12 volt battery is
12.6 volts.

13.2

2.2 volts X 6 cells equals 13.2

Gould, it's 2.1 x 6, you get 12.6.

If it were 2.1, you'd get 12.6. Corect.

However, the potential capacity of a cell is
2.2 volts.

Consider the "Ideal Charge Curve" described by Rick Proctor of Cruising
Equipment Co:

Bulk phase: Chare at a rate up to 20-40% of amp-hour capacity to a voltage of
about 14.4 volts. (Gel: 14.1). For example, a 200 amp-hour battery would be
charged at 40-80 amperes. This will bring the battery to about 75% of full
charge.

Aceptance phase: Maintain battery at 14.4 volts (Gel, 14.1) while the amperage
is steadily reduced. This restores the next 25% of capacity at a declining
rate. Your battery can be considered fully charged if it will accept current
equal to 2% of cpacity at 14.4 volts. Example: A 200 amp hour battery accepts
only 4 amps at 14.4 volts.

Float phase: The voltage is reduced to 13.3 volts, (gel 13.7 volts) to maintain
the battery without losing electrolyte from the cells. *THIS IS A MAINTENANCE
PHASE, NOT A CHARGING PHASE*

If you test a battery aboard a boat and it reads only 12.6, it is not fully
charged.
Fully charged to "float phase" is over 13 volts for flooded batteries and 13.7
for gel cells.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

If you test a battery aboard a boat and it reads only 12.6, it is not
fully
charged.
Fully charged to "float phase" is over 13 volts for flooded batteries and
13.7
for gel cells.

With the float charger attached, agreed.
Remove the float charger for an hour or so and the voltage for a fully
charged flooded battery will be 12.6 volts.

Been that way for many, many years.

Eisboch

On Wed, 19 May 2004 23:23:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

With the float charger attached, agreed.
Remove the float charger for an hour or so and the voltage for a fully
charged flooded battery will be 12.6 volts.

Been that way for many, many years.

============

Yes.

Thanks to all of you who contributed to resolving this issue.


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 23:23:28 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

With the float charger attached, agreed.
Remove the float charger for an hour or so and the voltage for a fully
charged flooded battery will be 12.6 volts.

Been that way for many, many years.

============

Yes.

"Ernie" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all of you who contributed to resolving this issue.

Resolved? 8-)

Where do you get this nonsense? "Open Circuit Voltage" is not the same thing as
"Float Voltage." Did you even look at the link I provided, or are you claiming
to know more about batteries than Trojan?

http://www.trojanbattery.com/custome...erymaint4.html




"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Gould, it's 2.1 x 6, you get 12.6.

If it were 2.1, you'd get 12.6. Corect.

However, the potential capacity of a cell is
2.2 volts.

Consider the "Ideal Charge Curve" described by Rick Proctor of Cruising
Equipment Co:

Bulk phase: Chare at a rate up to 20-40% of amp-hour capacity to a voltage of
about 14.4 volts. (Gel: 14.1). For example, a 200 amp-hour battery would be
charged at 40-80 amperes. This will bring the battery to about 75% of full
charge.

Aceptance phase: Maintain battery at 14.4 volts (Gel, 14.1) while the amperage
is steadily reduced. This restores the next 25% of capacity at a declining
rate. Your battery can be considered fully charged if it will accept current
equal to 2% of cpacity at 14.4 volts. Example: A 200 amp hour battery accepts
only 4 amps at 14.4 volts.

Float phase: The voltage is reduced to 13.3 volts, (gel 13.7 volts) to
maintain
the battery without losing electrolyte from the cells. *THIS IS A MAINTENANCE
PHASE, NOT A CHARGING PHASE*

If you test a battery aboard a boat and it reads only 12.6, it is not fully
charged.
Fully charged to "float phase" is over 13 volts for flooded batteries and 13.7
for gel cells.

Where do you get this nonsense? "Open Circuit Voltage" is not the same thing
as
"Float Voltage." Did you even look at the link I provided, or are you
claiming
to know more about batteries than Trojan?


No I don't know more about batteries than Trojan.

However, if you test the batteries on your boat and you think that 12.6 means
the batteries are fully charged, that means I know more about batteries than
you.

I won't dispute that if a battery is removed from a charging system and allowed
to sit around in your garage, or languish on a retailer's shelf, the voltage
will drop. The initial drop may well be rapid, and 12.6 could be considered OK
for a partially discharged, idle battery. Put that battery back in a working
environment where it has access to charge from an alternator or a 110 charger,
and it will be "fully charged" when it achieves 2.2 volts per cell, or 13.2
volts total.

Rather obviously, the battery would not accept additional voltage if it was
"fully charged" at 12.6.

Since a "smart" charger will maintain a 13.2 voltage on a flooded, 12-volt
batery in good condition, that is the standard for full charge. If that same
charger cannot bring the voltage above 12.6, that's a likely sign that the
battery is beginning to fail.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...


Since a "smart" charger will maintain a 13.2 voltage on a flooded, 12-volt
batery in good condition, that is the standard for full charge. If that
same
charger cannot bring the voltage above 12.6, that's a likely sign that the
battery is beginning to fail.


So what was the full charge standard before the advent of smart chargers?
Answer: 12.6v

Not to kick a dead horse, because if you're happy with 13.2v and I am happy
with 12.6v, then we're both happy -- but:

A charger has to develop a higher voltage than the battery voltage,
otherwise it won't charge. (Basic electrical rule of difference of potential
required for current flow).

Smart chargers in the bulk charge mode usually try to run in a constant
current mode with the voltage set at 14.4 volts for flooded batteries. The
absorption mode drops the voltage to 13.5 typically. Flood maintains the
charge at 13.5 volts (depending on charger manufacturer - I happen to be
looking at a Prosine unit manual at the moment) at very low current to
minimize electrolyte evaporation, but it is still charging. Remove the
charger and a flooded battery will return to it's normal state of 12.6v
within a hour or so. Try it. I just tested three known good batteries. I
charged each one with a smart charger that finished with a float charge
potential of 13.3 volts on each.
When I removed the charger, each battery read as follows within a couple of
hours:

Group 24 Marine Deep Cycle/Start Combination battery (flooded) --- 12.6v
AGM Deep Cycle Battery --- 12.8v
Two, U2400 six volt batteries in series (flooded, RV house batteries) ---
12.6v

According to your position on full charge, I must have three batteries that
are going bad which is not the case.


Eisboch

According to your position on full charge, I must have three batteries that
are going bad which is not the case.



You do not have batteries going bad because they can be charged to 13.2.

The fact that they then partially discharge to 12.6 doesn't make them bad
batteries.

If your batteries could not be charged above 12.6, they would be starting to
fail.
As you noted, they can be charged to 13.2.